[Tetreault]

I honestly just fail to understand why they thought the concentric BB was a good idea? They had a completely clear slate to do what ever they wanted.

R&D Meeting at Mongoloids
Bob, "Insanely adjustable people will like that right?" Bill, "Yes"
Bob "Carbon, it's hotter then bacon right now should we make our frame carbon?" Bill "Yes"
Bob "Throw in our crazy chainstay adjusters as out signature?" Bill "Why not its ugly but it works"

Bill "But ummmm, Bob?"
Bob "Yes Bill?"

Bill "What are we going to do about a suspension design?
Bob "Well................"

Concentric BB F'iT!

 

[norbar]

I honestly just fail to understand why they thought the concentric BB was a good idea? They had a completely clear slate to do what ever they wanted.

R&D Meeting at Mongoloids
Bob, "Insanely adjustable people will like that right?" Bill, "Yes"
Bob "Carbon, it's hotter then bacon right now should we make our frame carbon?" Bill "Yes"
Bob "Throw in our crazy chainstay adjusters as out signature?" Bill "Why not its ugly but it works"

Bill "But ummmm, Bob?"
Bob "Yes Bill?"

Bill "What are we going to do about a suspension design?
Bob "Well................"

Concentric BB F'iT!

Well they are a NY based company. I've heard single speed is like big there.

 

[Tetreault]

Well they are a NY based company. I've heard single speed is like big there.

the kind of guy that usually wants a single speed DH bike doesn't give a **** about carbon or airfoils

TRUTH

 

[norbar]

the kind of guy that usually wants a single speed DH bike doesn't give a **** about carbon or airfoils

TRUTH

I agree. They kinda half made it half assed. They should have gave it 300mm travel, made it from steel but add a 5kg layer of gussets than put a fixed hub inside

Sandwich - the quarrel with bb main pivot I have is I like to pump the terrain and doing that on them feels horrible. I like the idea on small bikes but 160mm? As much as I understand a large % of the riders don't need gears for park riding it would be hard to convince me to ride one.

 

[Tetreault]

I agree. They kinda half made it half assed. They should have gave it 300mm travel, made it from steel but add a 5kg layer of gussets than put a fixed hub inside

the kind of guy that rides SS DH also doesn't give a **** about travel, or fixed hubs, only steel

 

[norbar]

the kind of guy that rides SS DH also doesn't give a **** about travel, or fixed hubs, only steel

They must be different around your parts. Here they are all about huck bikes that require no maintenance. One guy claimed he needed double wides for his bikes because he goes through rims like nothing but only recently he mentioned he didn't replace that few missing spokes in his rear wheel for 2 years!

 

[marshalolson]

he goes through rims like nothing but only recently he mentioned he didn't replace that few missing spokes in his rear wheel for 2 years!

HA!

does he only build the new rim with the used 29 spokes from the old wheel?

 

[norbar]

HA!

does he only build the new rim with the used 29 spokes from the old wheel?

He claims to be too busy with his regular job and regular life to do a checkup on his bike every 3 months so probably yes

 

[Sandwich]

Sandwich - the quarrel with bb main pivot I have is I like to pump the terrain and doing that on them feels horrible. I like the idea on small bikes but 160mm? As much as I understand a large % of the riders don't need gears for park riding it would be hard to convince me to ride one.

I found my 5" travel CBB bike was really fun at places with lots of berms and jumps...where you pump the terrain. It failed miserable over anything that wasn't a soft, slow, controlled impact. BMX tracks were awesome, dirt jumping was fun, Plattekill and Jiminy were miserable.

 

[norbar]

I found my 5" travel CBB bike was really fun at places with lots of berms and jumps...where you pump the terrain. It failed miserable over anything that wasn't a soft, slow, controlled impact. BMX tracks were awesome, dirt jumping was fun, Plattekill and Jiminy were miserable.

I agree on a small bike it feels great. Test rode a few dartmoor shines but they are 4'' and you set them up hard. I think I'm also a bit used to rearward bikes. Even my xc bike has a fairly high pivot. Still I wouldn't use a bb pivot for any but the most well maintained parks. Many popular trails have crazy brake bumps and those can be painful.

 

[Bikael Molton]

Morpheus Cycles is proud to state that our products are engineered and built in the United States. Though our bikes are welded in Taiwan; every other aspect of development and production on all 2011 and beyond Morpheus bikes are completed right here in the USA. The design, testing, anodizing and assembly get finished in NYC by Morpheus' expert bike mechanics.

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[manhattanprjkt83]

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I have to weigh in here with the fact I have my DH bike (TR250) setup singlespeed for 2 seasons now and I really do enjoy it, the silence and simplicity is a nice change. For our east coast resorts it works well...I do however put my drivetrain back on for the annual whistler trip simply because we ride outside of the park and im not that 'hardcore'...

SS has its place...not sure about this bike though...

 

[Beef Supreme]

2/10...... would not bang.

 

[demo 9]

Looks bad on paper but id try it, Their DJ bikes are pretty sweet, and the chainstays hold up, look like **** but its function over fashion id say, sure it may be less than ideal in certain situations but it could excel in others. Im not hating on it yet, Give it a chance

 

[no skid marks]

They could fix it, and still keep the same molds.
Just slap a Horst link on(still be adjustable)where the adjustable bit is, and add a seat stay up to a link for the shock. Hey presto, decent stiffer, plusher bike. I'd make the Horst link real low and add an idler, but that's just me. They could still just go vertical axle path, with pedal induced anti squat. Would get rid of the excessive brake JACk or squat, whatever it'd have too.
Did you get that Bill?

 

[no skid marks]

Actually I'm wrong, they'd need to change the molds to add linkage pivots, and maybe move shock mount. Oh well.

 

[norbar]

Looks bad on paper but id try it, Their DJ bikes are pretty sweet, and the chainstays hold up, look like **** but its function over fashion id say, sure it may be less than ideal in certain situations but it could excel in others. Im not hating on it yet, Give it a chance

What function do they really serve that hasn't been done better and lighter on other bikes? I'd much rather get a dartmoor player and that's not only because acording to their philosophy it is polish built

 

[Tetreault]

2/10...... would not bang.

take some rep

 

[xy9ine]

speaking of random carbon dh bikes, anyone know the scoop on this? uk homebuilt apparently created by an f1 suspension guru (doesn't gridds have stats like this?):

 

[Jason4]

God thats just petty.

I like the infinate adjustabality concept but BB pivot, really????
must be a slopestyle thing being carried over. (tho a singlespeed DH rig would cut out a lot of drivetrain issues)

Please think of the aerodynamics...

 

[IH8Rice]

uk homebuilt apparently created by an f1 suspension guru (doesn't gridds have stats like this?):

yep, he works/worked for Williams

 

[dublindh]

this bike is horrendous...i love the way the guys behind it are already saying how it will change the 'industry' and the aerodynamics are capable of overtaking numerous positions at wc's and having digs at evils expense on facebook...

but DUDE props on those chainstays....they should make replica duplicate chainstays of other bikes (demo,v10,session) and incorporate those alloy adjuster teeth or whatever they're supposed to be

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK GUYS

 

[trust4130]

From their Facebook post:



So aerodynamics is more important than wheel path and pedaling characteristics?
Aerodynamics will move you up 5-10 places in World Cup races is same principle as Edelbrock stickers adding 15hp to any vehicle right?

Not to mention the fact that the aerodynamics arent just based on the "frame" alone, or bike alone for that matter... Seems like someone forgot that huge component called the "rider" in their calcs. Want to obtain a 1% increase in overall efficiency, based only on the aerodynamics of the frame? Well, that would be something to behold. Me thinks they didn't on that one.

So as to not be compltely negative, I do have to admit I actually kinda dig the aesthetics of the bike.

 

[frorider]

Morpheus is the same company that introduced a carbon XC hardtail 26er just when the XC Lycra boyz switched to 29ers.

Not too surprised they missed the memo on BB pivots for long travel bikes.

I predict their next game-changing design will be URT.

 

[Sandwich]

Morpheus Cycles is proud to state that our products are engineered and built in the United States. Though our bikes are welded in Taiwan; every other aspect of development and production on all 2011 and beyond Morpheus bikes are completed right here in the USA. The design, testing, anodizing and assembly get finished in NYC by Morpheus' expert bike mechanics.

Oh cool, I'm glad they weld their carbonz in Taiwan, I hear taiwanz has the best carbon welders.

 

[StuntMonkey]

I absolutely agree that in theory a BB concentric pivot makes the bikes useless for anything but big hits and being a SS hipster...

But I also want to know what it's like to ride a long travel BB concentric pivot bike. Is there any out there that someone has tried? I rode an old turner DHR which had a pretty low pivot. It plowed surprisingly better than I was expecting. But apples and oranges, I'm sure it's still hugely different.

LenzSport ProDescender DHR has 8 or 9 inches, depending on which link you use...
Fits 3" wide tires, either 24" or 26"...
Has excellent attention to detail and construction...

The Killswitch is more Dirt Jumper style, also has Concentric BottomBracket...

I bet there are more, but I have not done any searching...
I own a LenzSport ProDescender DHR,
Riding buddy has Killswitch...
Between us, we have over 30 bikes...

They are ALL Good!!!
Just different and unique and each with personality...

 

[Bikael Molton]

I disagree.

 

[freeridefool]

LenzSport ProDescender DHR has 8 or 9 inches, depending on which link you use...
Fits 3" wide tires, either 24" or 26"...
Has excellent attention to detail and construction...

The Killswitch is more Dirt Jumper style, also has Concentric BottomBracket...

I bet there are more, but I have not done any searching...
I own a LenzSport ProDescender DHR,
Riding buddy has Killswitch...
Between us, we have over 30 bikes...

They are ALL Good!!!
Just different and unique and each with personality...

Wow, good post bro...

Anybody know how the dude at windham that was riding it did?

 

[trib]

Didn't qualify from what I can see

 

[Mo(n)arch]

Didn't qualify from what I can see

But was fastest in the speed trap, right?

 

[Sandwich]

But was fastest in the speed trap, right?

while revolutionizing 1998.

 

[trib]

As we all know DH bikes only go in straight lines, directly into the wind, so it's a great idea to build bikes to be aerodynamic.

Worked really well for the TWR boys with their aero wheels, and special number boards at the Canberra WC...

Bring back skinsuits, visorless helmets and those little booties that roadies wear over their cleats.

 

[jnooth]

actually he didnt qualify but he was 9th in the speed trap! maybe there is something to it.... maybe its just because he is a pinner.

 

[Tetreault]

just in case anyone wanted to see it from another angle and check out the foilage

 

[IH8Rice]

actually he didnt qualify but he was 9th in the speed trap! maybe there is something to it.... maybe its just because he is a pinner.

he may be short in stature, but Alejo is a fast mofo

so fast, his feet come off the pedals!

 

[limitedslip]

just in case anyone wanted to see it from another angle and check out the foilage

That doesn't look very aerodynamic anyway. The trailing edges are all squarish...

 

[daisycutter]

I give Morpheus credit for making a down hill bike. Which is more then all these peeps knocking it are doing.

 

[trib]

With just a little more research they'd have seen that people just don't like BB pivots on DH bikes though, lifted the pivot and used a system like the K9, Brooklyn's slope ranger or Canfield DH bikes to remove chain growth.

I dig that they're making bikes, and I think it looks pretty cool, I just think that pivot location is a massive oversight and if the only reason it's been done is so that the bike can be run singlespeed it seems that the bike is a little confused.

 

[Tetreault]

I still don't mind the bike if its MRSP was $1000 less i'd give it a go. i congratulate them for doing something different and interesting, but nothing they have done is revolutionary, there are multiple carbon bikes out now, many bikes are very adjustable, but when you claim to want to make a difference in the industry, and all you do is a bb pivot carbon dh bike and claim that its aero and thus awesome, is a outhouse full of stinky ****. Out of all the options for Dh bikes to do with a clean slate and no requirements, you choose to make a $3000 concentric pivot 8" bike

 

[Iridemtb]

[SUP][/SUP]

From their Facebook post:



So aerodynamics is more important than wheel path and pedaling characteristics?
Aerodynamics will move you up 5-10 places in World Cup races is same principle as Edelbrock stickers adding 15hp to any vehicle right?

I read this:
Just Van, I appreciate your opinion however the frame has been designed for functionality over looks. Even though I happen to like the way the it looks she is designed that way to be the most aero dynamic frame out. The entire front end of the frame is designed in the shape of something a virtual airfoil which actually creates a pocket of air around the object behind it. So even if our frame is a 1% more efficient than all other frames, the added efficiency would increase your position in an average World Cup between five and ten places. So you see the overall shape is secondary to us and functionality is the most important thing

Now I'm done this thread. They are idiots it sounds like. Really? That is so minimalistic on downhill bikes and there are waayyyyy to many other factors to take into consideration. That frame may not match certain riders, some riders may like the feel of other suspension or bikes etc (v-10, demo 8, zerode, m9, etc etc etc...)