[ohio]

This is one of those things that I wouldn't oppose, but also shouldn't have to. If acceptance as a moderate religion (cue Silver: "oxymoron") is the goal of this particular congregation, they never would have pursued the community center in this location to begin with, rattling the cage of the pea-brained rhino that is American xenophobic nationalism. By even pursuing this, let alone pushing ahead despite immediate backlash, they're only confirming for the wingnuts that Muslims are bent on "taking over."

Honestly, it is stupid, in poor taste, and counterproductive. So while I'm not convinced this is some plot to use our constitution against us, or a purposeful insult to America, it does reconfirm my belief that everyone involved in organized religion is collossal idiot.

 

[sanjuro]

This is one of those things that I wouldn't oppose, but also shouldn't have to. If acceptance as a moderate religion (cue Silver: "oxymoron") is the goal of this particular congregation, they never would have pursued the community center in this location to begin with, rattling the cage of the pea-brained rhino that is American xenophobic nationalism. By even pursuing this, let alone pushing ahead despite immediate backlash, they're only confirming for the wingnuts that Muslims are bent on "taking over."

Honestly, it is stupid, in poor taste, and counterproductive. So while I'm not convinced this is some plot to use our constitution against us, or a purposeful insult to America, it does reconfirm my belief that everyone involved in organized religion is collossal idiot.

There are thousands of Muslims in NYC.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

The dude's from tennysee. He probably had a big smelly guy in a hand made muscle shirt with faggy nascar goatee hovering over him when he typed that.

But he's had some realizations recently that sound reasonable..... this is just crap.....................crap I say.


I want the best in people to come through....


seriously...

 

[ohio]

There are thousands of Muslims in NYC.

Millions, but the WTC is not in a residential area.

 

[blackohio]

To be fair, of the entire 16 or so floors of the building 2 are for prayer and the remainder are a cultural center. I see no problem with it being 16 floors of mosque or 1 floor.

I also have no problem with a church and synagogue being 2 blocks away even though I find all of it to be superstitious tribal nonsense.

 

[Straya]

We need to tweak the Haters gonna hate meme to show pics of stupid people with placards with Frothers gonna Froth text.

 

[DaveW]

We need to tweak the Haters gonna hate meme to show pics of stupid people with placards with Frothers gonna Froth text.

2nded!

 

[stevew]

The dude's from tennysee. He probably had a big smelly guy in a hand made muscle shirt with faggy nascar goatee hovering over him when he typed that.

well that's not that bad.....it was just proven over the weekend that a nascar fan is just a little bit smarter than the average baja fan.

 

[FlyinPolack]

This is one of those things that I wouldn't oppose, but also shouldn't have to. If acceptance as a moderate religion (cue Silver: "oxymoron") is the goal of this particular congregation, they never would have pursued the community center in this location to begin with, rattling the cage of the pea-brained rhino that is American xenophobic nationalism. By even pursuing this, let alone pushing ahead despite immediate backlash, they're only confirming for the wingnuts that Muslims are bent on "taking over."

Honestly, it is stupid, in poor taste, and counterproductive. So while I'm not convinced this is some plot to use our constitution against us, or a purposeful insult to America, it does reconfirm my belief that everyone involved in organized religion is collossal idiot.

I couldn't agree more

 

[Toshi]

This is one of those things that I wouldn't oppose, but also shouldn't have to. If acceptance as a moderate religion (cue Silver: "oxymoron") is the goal of this particular congregation, they never would have pursued the community center in this location to begin with, rattling the cage of the pea-brained rhino that is American xenophobic nationalism. By even pursuing this, let alone pushing ahead despite immediate backlash, they're only confirming for the wingnuts that Muslims are bent on "taking over."

Honestly, it is stupid, in poor taste, and counterproductive. So while I'm not convinced this is some plot to use our constitution against us, or a purposeful insult to America, it does reconfirm my belief that everyone involved in organized religion is collossal idiot.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/nyregion/14mosque.html

 

[binary visions]

pea-brained rhino that is American xenophobic nationalism

See, this part of it gets me.

Is it a little insensitive? Sure. Is it begging for a backlash? Yep. Were there better places to locate this? Absolutely.

But in the end, I can't manage to feel anything but contempt for the ignorant masses who belong to the quoted bit above and thus I have a hard time entertaining any discussion against the mosque.

 

[jonKranked]

they should build a mosque, a church, a jew temple, a buddhist temple, and an italian restaurant for that flying spaghetti guy

 

[eaterofdog]

well that's not that bad.....it was just proven over the weekend that a nascar fan is just a little bit smarter than the average baja fan.

It's strictly a matter of security. Take down a couple fences and as soon the the stock car got up to 180, a yokel with a beer and a Tap Out wifebeater would pop up in the back seat "Punch it dude!"

 

[Pesqueeb]

they should build a mosque, a church, a jew temple, a buddhist temple, and an italian restaurant for that flying spaghetti guy

 

[WhoRyder]

I find it funny that people are actually bitching over this nonsense.. who cares.... the Pentagon has a mosque in it.... lol

anyhow... i don't see anyone bitching and screaming that NYC has had a Huge Hole in it going on 10 years....

 

[dante]

This only matters to the Americans who think that "they" hit us on 9/11, and now "they" want to build a mosque there. It's the dumbfvck teabaggers who were manipulated by GWB into thinking that all 1.2 billion people are some homogeneous borg-like entity who are guided by some evil mastermind living somewhere in the Middle East, and we have to fight "them" over there because otherwise we'll have to fight "them" here. Unfortunately, according to CNN or Fox, either 68% or 64% of Americans fit into that category...

What's most telling is that when a poll was done in NYC about this issue, the highest disapproval rate for the Mosque was in Staten Island, ie rich white conservatives, and the lowest disapproval rate was in Manhattan itself, the borough that was *actually* attacked on 9/11.

Go figure.

 

[stevew]

is the dude blowing a tentacle?

 

[jonKranked]

is the dude blowing a tentacle?

like a vuvuzela (the FSM is a big soccer fan)

 

[Pesqueeb]

is the dude blowing a tentacle?

Sometimes the ways of FSM are not capable of being understood by mere humans.

 

[rockofullr]

I love that the same people who have such a boner for the constitution lately are against this. They seem to forget that pesky part of the bill of rights where the gov isn't supposed to discriminate against any one religion..... which amendment was that?

Oh yea the First Amendment.

Freakin idiots.

 

[dante]

I love that the same people who have such a boner for the constitution lately are against this. They seem to forget that pesky part of the bill of rights where the gov isn't supposed to discriminate against any one religion..... which amendment was that?

Oh yea the First Amendment.

Freakin idiots.

Show me one instance where the right-wing has stood up for Constitutional rights that they didn't personally agree with...

 

[Pesqueeb]

I love that the same people who have such a boner for the constitution lately are against this. They seem to forget that pesky part of the bill of rights where the gov isn't supposed to discriminate against any one religion..... which amendment was that?

Oh yea the First Amendment.

Freakin idiots.

 

[ohio]

Oh yea the First Amendment.

Freakin idiots.

Yeah but I'm pretty sure there's rules about Mulligans on the first one, or cutting off the outliers when calculating an average, so I'm sure it's all good.

 

[ohio]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/nyregion/14mosque.html

Fair enough, I'm embarrassed to say I hadn't considered the need for evening prayers. Though I can't figure out what good a YMMA is going to do them in that neighborhood.

I'll repeat, I'm all for the mosque. I don't think it is any kind of symbol, let alone actual threat, and they are well within their rights to renovate the building for whatever purpose they choose. I just think the congregation leaders are being stupid in ignoring the reality of American politics and temperament right now. So yes, I'm arguing that they should bow to ignorance, but only because I think there are better approaches to eliminating it.

 

[binary visions]

I'll repeat, I'm all for the mosque. I don't think it is any kind of symbol, let alone actual threat, and they are well within their rights to renovate the building for whatever purpose they choose. I just think the congregation leaders are being stupid in ignoring the reality of American politics and temperament right now. So yes, I'm arguing that they should bow to ignorance, but only because I think there are better approaches to eliminating it.

Why are you so racist? The Muslims didn't do anything to you.

 

[MMike]

Fair enough, I'm embarrassed to say I hadn't considered the need for evening prayers. Though I can't figure out what good a YMMA is going to do them in that neighborhood.

I'll repeat, I'm all for the mosque. I don't think it is any kind of symbol, let alone actual threat, and they are well within their rights to renovate the building for whatever purpose they choose. I just think the congregation leaders are being stupid in ignoring the reality of American politics and temperament right now. So yes, I'm arguing that they should bow to ignorance, but only because I think there are better approaches to eliminating it.

I agree with your racism too. It is good, sound racism.

 

[Silver]

Fair enough, I'm embarrassed to say I hadn't considered the need for evening prayers. Though I can't figure out what good a YMMA is going to do them in that neighborhood.

I'll repeat, I'm all for the mosque. I don't think it is any kind of symbol, let alone actual threat, and they are well within their rights to renovate the building for whatever purpose they choose. I just think the congregation leaders are being stupid in ignoring the reality of American politics and temperament right now. So yes, I'm arguing that they should bow to ignorance, but only because I think there are better approaches to eliminating it.

So, in the biggest "fvck you" city in the world, you think that Muslims need to be extra sensitive to the feelings of the standard American retard with every action they take? If they were serious about that, they'd have to kill themselves, or bomb an abortion clinic. There's not much else they are going to be able to do, you know?

 

[ohio]

So, in the biggest "fvck you" city in the world, you think that Muslims need to be extra sensitive to the feelings of the standard American retard with every action they take?

Yes. The world's not fair. You'll get farther by managing stupidity indirectly than confronting it, especially when stupidity happens to be in charge.

Maybe I'm jaded because I'm finally leaving the world of consulting, where I've spent 6 years figuring out ways, from a subordinate position, to get powerful idiots to understand and adapt to things they don't like.

The Muslims didn't do anything to you.

Bull****. My buddy Payman, a MUSLIM, definitely got me, a JEW, so drunk this one time that I left a stream of vomit from my buddy Josh's couch, across his floor, and into the side of his kitchen sink that didn't have the garbage disposal. Josh, a CHRISTIAN, then had to scoop the vomit from one side of the sink to the other with a ladle to clean the whole mess up.

I'm pretty sure this is an apt metaphor for the state of the world.

 

[Silver]

Yes. The world's not fair. You'll get farther by managing stupidity indirectly than confronting it, especially when stupidity happens to be in charge.

Maybe I'm jaded because I'm finally leaving the world of consulting, where I've spent 6 years figuring out ways, from a subordinate position, to get powerful idiots to understand and adapt to things they don't like.

The problem is that you're dealing here with retards that are unsatisfiable, short of complete genocide of the Muslim population of the universe.

 

[kidwoo]

Bull****. My buddy Payman, a MUSLIM, definitely got me, a JEW, so drunk this one time that I left a stream of vomit from my buddy Josh's couch, across his floor, and into the side of his kitchen sink that didn't have the garbage disposal. Josh, a CHRISTIAN, then had to scoop the vomit from one side of the sink to the other with a ladle to clean the whole mess up.

See what happens when you build frat houses on the sacred grounds of higher education institutions?

 

[Pesqueeb]

I don't know if I should post this in here or in the "long term tactics" thread, but on the way home I either followed manimal or the people silver is talking about. Some guy driving a beat up land cruiser had 2 homemade 8x11 signs in his rear window that said, and I'm paraphrasing cause I couldn't get close enough to take a picture, "YOU ELECTED A PRESIDENT THATS TRYING TO BECOME KING!!!!!" and "WE ARE AT WAR WITH RADICAL ISLAM AND NOW THEY WANT TO BUILD A MOSQUE WERE THEY ATTACKED US!!!!!"


Christ on a crutch.

 

[Fool]

Hah, where do you live? I don't see much of that here in the actual city that had its ass shot out from under it. Most people are flummoxed by the amount of attention this is getting.

 

[dante]

I don't know if I should post this in here or in the "long term tactics" thread, but on the way home I either followed manimal or the people silver is talking about. Some guy driving a beat up land cruiser had 2 homemade 8x11 signs in his rear window that said, and I'm paraphrasing cause I couldn't get close enough to take a picture, "YOU ELECTED A PRESIDENT THATS TRYING TO BECOME KING!!!!!" and "WE ARE AT WAR WITH RADICAL ISLAM AND NOW THEY WANT TO BUILD A MOSQUE WERE THEY ATTACKED US!!!!!"


Christ on a crutch.

Note the "they".... Makes them instantly recognizable.

 

[Pesqueeb]

Hah, where do you live? I don't see much of that here in the actual city that had its ass shot out from under it. Most people are flummoxed by the amount of attention this is getting.

Unfortunately, Colorado Springs CO. It would be a great town if it wasn't the center of the religious right/teabagger universe. The guy in question actually represents the majority attitude here. Hence my custom location.

 

[Fool]

Right, well, your neighbors should have plenty of time to load up and take aim when the killer Muslim hoards come pouring out of the Ground Zero Terror Mosque, Allah-bent on blowing up your libraries or whatever out there and fist pumping when King Obama proclaims Christianity and pulled pork sandwiches illegal.

I'll be here. I'll PM you when it happens.

 

[Andyman_1970]

Unfortunately, Colorado Springs CO.

The ruination of an absolutely beautiful place..... Hence the Misses and I desire to relocate our tribe to Fort Collins........

 

[jonKranked]

Right, well, your neighbors should have plenty of time to load up and take aim when the killer Muslim hoards come pouring out of the Ground Zero Terror Mosque, Allah-bent on blowing up your libraries or whatever out there and fist pumping when King Obama proclaims Christianity and pulled pork sandwiches illegal.

I'll be here. I'll PM you when it happens.

they're gonna have a portal in the mosque. and the other end is gonna be in afghanistan! fvckin' terrorists!!!

 

[Dartman]

they're gonna have a portal in the mosque. and the other end is gonna be in afghanistan! fvckin' terrorists!!!

Nah. They believe in religion, not science.

 

[jonKranked]

Nah. They believe in religion, not science.

so they're gonna fly in on a slab of rock?

 

[Fool]

Maybe a tunnel.