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Mosque at ground zero...

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Pesqueeb

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dante said:
I have no problem with this. It's being built by private funds, and so your only real complaint would be "Some nutjobs associated with your religion killed people here. We're going to punish all of you". I can't imagine that you'd say the same thing about a Christian church 2 blocks away from the Oklahoma City federal building...
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FYI. According to mapquest there is a catholic church caddy corner to where the Murrah building used to stand. Timothy Mcviegh was a catholic. There are also 2 other "Christian" churches within a 2 block radius.
 
stosh

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When-ever the US has a "war" going on all those people are seen as our enemy.

American citizens of Japanese descent are put into internment camps in WWII.

US government was looking for "communists" in the 50's by spying on it's citizens.

etc... etc...

The unfortunate thing is this has become such a hot issue. I had friends who died there but everything I was taught growing up in the US has been based around religious tolerance and the freedom of religion.
It's unfortunate that in a campaign season we're not focusing on the real issues within our government but on this superficial issue that will be history in a few weeks/months.
 
Silver

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stosh said:
It's unfortunate that in a campaign season we're not focusing on the real issues within our government but on this superficial issue that will be history in a few weeks/months.
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Bigotry and scapegoating are a superficial issue?

Remember how loans to black people caused the financial crisis? Good times...
 
mattmatt86

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jonKranked said:
bloomberg put it pretty well:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/25/new-yorks-bloomberg-we-are-all-muslims/?hpt=T2
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:thumb:

I especially liked his ending:
“In that spirit," Bloomberg concluded, in words that echoed John F. Kennedy's "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech, "let me declare that we in New York are Jews and Christians and Muslims, and we always have been. And above all of that, we are Americans, each with an equal right to worship and pray where we choose. There is nowhere in the five boroughs that is off limits to any religion."
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MikeD

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This is the most retarded thing ever.

Apologists are going gaga over the Sufi bent of the mosque and dropping the "sufi" term is the way to show you're SOOOO educated and know ALLL about Islam and especially this wonderful new-agey mystical good-guy Islam, unlike the raving hordes of teabaggers. And that you fail to know that, say, the Assassins were a Sufi cult.

The conspiracy theorists are looking at the name of the center and seeing shades of Moorish conquest of Europe. (Have to hand it to them, though...the center could have chosen a better name. Re-using the name of a mosque built on the site of a conquered Christian cathedral might NOT have been the best choice for a site in Manhattan, not that it should matter...)

The most fun is watching the rabid anti-government, pro-"real america" wannabe redneck revolutionary types gnash their teeth and try to eat their eyebrows in frustration as their anti-government-intervention, free-everything, absolute-private-property rhetoric and philosophy blow back over them. Most end up concluding that it should be legal and permissible for them to build the center, but that any patriot who blows it up or kills everyone inside should be freed through jury nullification...

yadda yadda. In the end, we're watching America eat its own values and vomit them back up covered in bile. Sad, but it's happened before and the country's survived.



And NONE of this should be an issue at all. Even the media using the term "ground zero mosque" is irresponsible at best.
 
MikeD

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Jon Stewart is America's Most Trusted News Man [among those who take online polls]
 
Pesqueeb

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Well, goodbye freedom, it's been fun.:rolleyes:

The first part of Park51, the controversial Lower Manhattan Islamic community centre, is opening on Wednesday with an art exhibition featuring photographs of children.

Just a few blocks away from the site where the Twin Towers once stood, the exhibition marks Park51’s first big public event.

It comprises portraits of children from 169 countries who now live in New York and its opening coincides with the United Nations’ International Day of Peace.

Katerina Lucas, Park51’s chief of staff, said: 'It is a huge step forward. I hope it shows we are about inclusion, not exclusion.'

When plans to build a high-rise Islamic institution were announced last year, critics angrily pointed out that it was insensitive to have the mosque so close to the site attacked by Islamic extremists.

There was heated opposition from various politicians and some families of 9/11 victims.

Pamela Geller, editor and publisher of a blog called Atlas Shrugs, has been one of the most vocal opponents of the project.

Miss Geller organized a protest of Park51 on the tenth anniversary of 9/11 and says she is appalled at the organisation’s decision to highlight the photographs of children.

She said in an email to CNN: 'It is an obvious and cynical attempt to manipulate public opinion and divert attention away from the Islamic supremacist ties, shady financial dealings, and contradictory statements of the mosque organizers.'

There had been rumours that the project had been put on hold, but Park51’s photography exhibit shows it is quietly moving forward.

The project has rasied $70,000 raised in under two months via KickStarter.com, a funding platform for creative projects.

The developers, led by Park51 Chairman Sharif El-Gamal, have hired a staff of six and continue to hold Muslim prayers at the space just north of ground zero.

But they are not setting a timeline for construction.

In June, El-Gamal parted ways with Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the cleric who had been the public face of Park51, over a difference in vision.

Rauf is now focusing his energy on establishing a Muslim centre in Chautauqua, New York.

Park51’s planners say they are committed to their original Lower Manhattan location and are looking to raise $7 to $10 million in financing.

Miss Lucas said: 'We have broken some ground, but there are still many hurdles.

She said the upcoming photography exhibition is about showcasing the diversity of New York City, which includes Muslims.

'Islam is not about extremism,' she said. 'We can have a meaningful dialogue across religions.'

It’s a message shared by Danny Goldfield, the Brooklyn artist behind the exhibit.

He got the idea for his children-focused series while driving from Los Angeles to New York in 2003, right after the war in Iraq started.

El-Gamal said: 'I met Danny Goldfield when Park51 was still a new idea. I said his photographs should be the first event at Park51.

'I am proud to say the idea has been realized. Opening this incarnation of the community centre is a fantastic accomplishment.'

Mr Goldfield photographed children living in New York City’s five boroughs from countries all over the world.

While his pictures have been on display before, this is the first time he has shown them all at once.

The exhibition will be open for nearly three months.

More than 700 people have been invited to the opening.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039290/Controversial-Ground-Zero-mosque-site-opens-just-weeks-9-11-anniversary.html
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