Have you even ridden a Cannondale? Since you can't even spell the company's name, I find it unlikely that you're in any kind of position to be making judgments about their bikes.caputo1989 said:Over rated = any connondale.
Are you high?zmtber said:i think people give orange bikes to mush credit
i am just saying this because i feel from my experiences that the only reason why so many people like this frame is because peat useto ride it.Banshee Rider said:Are you high?
I'm not even going to respond, I'm just going to watch Transcend rip you into a million pieces! :evil:
Don't forget Fraser is sponsored by them so of course he's going to tear into him.Banshee Rider said:Are you high?
I'm not even going to respond, I'm just going to watch Transcend rip you into a million pieces! :evil:
buildyourown said:Overrated = Super8
SC sold a lot of these. I bought one. Brand new for full retail. They had horrible pedal feedback and brake jack. You couldn't get them to not ghost shift. They all broke. They blew shocks on a regular basis. They were heavy.
I'll take a tiwanese specialized any daydropmachine.com said:I agree the Orange is over rated. And bloody expensive.
Whats also over rated? By a lot?
Made in the USA.
quickneonrt said:I'll take a tiwanese specialized any day
Also over rated any single pivot, to me an orange is the same as a gemini is the same as a bullit is the same as a morewood, you get my point.
So what? You're arguing that Americans are inherantly better at welding? That a bike welded by an employee who earns more is somehow inherantly better? Obviously not. How does this have any bearing on anything?Banshee Rider said:I disagree. Cannondale is one of the few companies who hand welds their DH frame right here in the US.
Specialized produce genuine useful innovation despite their size and mass market stance, and produce bikes which actually have a bit of soul for many different styles of riding. Compared to the samey, gimicky, 1992 XC circuit inspired cr4p that comes out of Cannondale or Trek, they are a breath of fresh air.As for overrated. I'd have to say specialized. They bikes are overhyped, overpriced, and overseas.
DMR? 24/7? Revell? Blackmarket? Tonic? Curtis?Urban FR'er 666 said:As for over rated, I think small diameter steel-tubed DJ frames are all overrated. The planet-x bommer(steel), was one of the most disapointing frames I ever owned!!!
Changleen said:So what? You're arguing that Americans are inherantly better at welding? That a bike welded by an employee who earns more is somehow inherantly better? Obviously not. How does this have any bearing on anything?
Specialized produce genuine useful innovation despite their size and mass market stance, and produce bikes which actually have a bit of soul for many different styles of riding. Compared to the samey, gimicky, 1992 XC circuit inspired cr4p that comes out of Cannondale or Trek, they are a breath of fresh air.
Changleen said:So what? You're arguing that Americans are inherantly better at welding? That a bike welded by an employee who earns more is somehow inherantly better? Obviously not. How does this have any bearing on anything?
Specialized produce genuine useful innovation despite their size and mass market stance, and produce bikes which actually have a bit of soul for many different styles of riding. Compared to the samey, gimicky, 1992 XC circuit inspired cr4p that comes out of Cannondale or Trek, they are a breath of fresh air.
I have found that high end Taiwan frames are at least as well crafted as US made frames. Some domestic frames have sloppier welds and less attention to detail. Cannondale frames are terrible (found a hole filled with bondo in one frame I had when I stripped it for new paint, Cdale said not to worry about it, it happens) even some of the Foes, Intense and Turner frames I've owned have had trouble comparing to, say, a high end Specialized. I'm talking about small things like clean welds, proper alignment, clean links & hardware, pc or paint finish, frame prep, etc.klunky said:In my experiance USA built frames are better quality.
If a company in USA send there designs to some factory in Taiwan to get there frames/bikes made there is a larger chance of things going wrong due to the assemble line being bigger.
Mr Joe Taiwan welds a frame incorrectly he might not care. He has welded 15 frames up already that day and so what if one of them is a little bit squint - like anyone will notice and like it will affect him anyway.
Mr Joe USA if he welds the frame incorrectly its probably going to end up back on his desk being asked why.
Also you think the horst link is over rated yet you love specialized?
Probably because the market just isn't big enough to support it...CBJ said:Brain and that is why I dont understand why they havent done as Toyota did and created a new subname with Lexus. Well the bike industry has not always been spoild with great strategic thinkers.