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I‘ve had an honest hankering for an emoto for the last couple of months. My commute will be further shifting to urban warfare and I have so much fun on my ebike- wondering if I can capitalize on the same vibe with a moto that I don’t have to pedal. Not sure I’m really ready to contribute to this thread, but I’m casually eyeballing a Zero Fxe.
 

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I‘ve had an honest hankering for an emoto for the last couple of months. My commute will be further shifting to urban warfare and I have so much fun on my ebike- wondering if I can capitalize on the same vibe with a moto that I don’t have to pedal. Not sure I’m really ready to contribute to this thread, but I’m casually eyeballing a Zero Fxe.
Zero makes a great bike. I still think they are overpriced, but they have been around since like 2005, I think.
 

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Zero makes a great bike. I still think they are overpriced, but they have been around since like 2005, I think.
I've seen the Sondors metacycle dicking around too, which seems perfect for me- low speed, kind of an "advanced moped" or "ebike plus" but the company pulled a startup bro and folded so I'm not sure I want one. I need something for a 15 mile commute that's 100% backroads and city streets- if I got one I'd be a beginner motorcyclist who's a little apprehensive over a clutch and traffic.
 

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I've seen the Sondors metacycle dicking around too, which seems perfect for me- low speed, kind of an "advanced moped" or "ebike plus" but the company pulled a startup bro and folded so I'm not sure I want one. I need something for a 15 mile commute that's 100% backroads and city streets- if I got one I'd be a beginner motorcyclist who's a little apprehensive over a clutch and traffic.
Didn't Sondors go belly up?

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yep. Not sure what support looks like for them, but that's what I would need. Like a zero from the late 2000s rather than the new ones that are big and powerful.
The dirt bike one isn't that big or even that powerful compared to a gas bike. You also have throttle maps you can adjust the power delivery to suit your comfort level.
 

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I had the opportunity to rent a Ural on the last month of my trip around Australia back in the day. I was super stoked to have all the cargo room for niceties when glamping but it still wasnt a motorcycle to me, I actually fell asleep on the damn thing
My Ural (Sportsman model) also is full time 2WD which makes it feel more like a jeep than a motorcycle. Super fun, but not very fast. Tops out at about 55mph. The newer ones are much different even though they look the same. Newer bikes have hydraulics, german gearing, fuel injection, can go the speed limit and cost $25-30k.
 
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Had to change plans last weekend, because our planned route was on fire. Plan B got us onto a fun trail in the woods. It was wife's first moto ride on anything narrower than a forest service road. Even with one slow speed laydown, she enjoyed it a bunch and wants to explore some more trails.

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Police in Denmark charged a motorcyclist with 86 separate moving violations over the weekend, adding excessive speed, endangering others, even “riding on the rear wheel,” to his rap sheet. Danish authorities, however, were absolutely dumbfounded by one unique factor of the case: Most of the evidence came from the motorcyclist himself, thanks to his helmet-mounted GoPro.
 

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Still buggin' on emotos here. Would love to legalize a SurRon and ride that to work, but it seems to be a surprising challenge to get a plate for those.

I've seen the Sondors Metacycle, Naxeon I.Am, and Ryvid Anthem as fitting that mid-way point between EEB and real motorcycle. Any others?
 

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Still buggin' on emotos here. Would love to legalize a SurRon and ride that to work, but it seems to be a surprising challenge to get a plate for those.

I've seen the Sondors Metacycle, Naxeon I.Am, and Ryvid Anthem as fitting that mid-way point between EEB and real motorcycle. Any others?
If all you are interested in is street why not a G-bike?

At the elevated speeds on roads, even urban streets, the terrible aerodynamics of a motorcycle kind of kill the performance and range of an electric one. There are tons of small, quiet, efficient, relatively inexpensive motorcycles out there.
 

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If all you are interested in is street why not a G-bike?

At the elevated speeds on roads, even urban streets, the terrible aerodynamics of a motorcycle kind of kill the performance and range of an electric one. There are tons of small, quiet, efficient, relatively inexpensive motorcycles out there.
Are you talking about this: http://www.shopgbike.com/products/city/silver.html?

It might work, and I've considered just buying a moped. I'd like something that's a bit more fun to ride and I need about 40 miles of range (real actual range, not Tesla inflated BS). Top speed would need to be no more than 50, though it's possible I'd take the highway home occasionally (very rarely, that's the point).
 

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Are you talking about this: http://www.shopgbike.com/products/city/silver.html?

It might work, and I've considered just buying a moped. I'd like something that's a bit more fun to ride and I need about 40 miles of range (real actual range, not Tesla inflated BS). Top speed would need to be no more than 50, though it's possible I'd take the highway home occasionally (very rarely, that's the point).
I thought he was talking about these.

 

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I'd like something that's a bit more fun to ride and I need about 40 miles of range (real actual range, not Tesla inflated BS). Top speed would need to be no more than 50, though it's possible I'd take the highway home occasionally (very rarely, that's the point).
Why no Ultra Bee R? Matches exactly your performance wishes.
I have a 35 miles commute and usually end up with 15-20 mile range left when I am back home. Mix of Eco (60%) and Daily (40%) and 1/4 of the commute being at 50 mph, rest between 30-35 mph.
Surprising little range reduction at lower temps, but maybe the battery was getting better from new while the temps were dropping, so that compensated for it. Curious to next spring/summer to see how far a worn in battery and nicer temps can get me.
Daily mode is plenty fun BTW, I rarely use Sport (only if I need to leave Teslas in the dust).
 

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Why no Ultra Bee R? Matches exactly your performance wishes.
I have a 35 miles commute and usually end up with 15-20 mile range left when I am back home. Mix of Eco (60%) and Daily (40%) and 1/4 of the commute being at 50 mph, rest between 30-35 mph.
Surprising little range reduction at lower temps, but maybe the battery was getting better from new while the temps were dropping, so that compensated for it. Curious to next spring/summer to see how far a worn in battery and nicer temps can get me.
Daily mode is plenty fun BTW, I rarely use Sport (only if I need to leave Teslas in the dust).
I didn't know they made one you could plate, damn.
 

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Why no Ultra Bee R? Matches exactly your performance wishes.
I have a 35 miles commute and usually end up with 15-20 mile range left when I am back home. Mix of Eco (60%) and Daily (40%) and 1/4 of the commute being at 50 mph, rest between 30-35 mph.
Surprising little range reduction at lower temps, but maybe the battery was getting better from new while the temps were dropping, so that compensated for it. Curious to next spring/summer to see how far a worn in battery and nicer temps can get me.
Daily mode is plenty fun BTW, I rarely use Sport (only if I need to leave Teslas in the dust).
Would love one- don’t think they are US street legal yet (or ever). Would be awesome and perfectly fits the bill!
 

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Ooooh they are on sale in NZ too… Still a lot of cash though. I’m clearly not as rich as GFF. :greedy:

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Would love one- don’t think they are US street legal yet (or ever). Would be awesome and perfectly fits the bill!
If you can get anything street legal in Europe, you can normally easily get it legal in the US!
The pure offroad version that you can directly buy from China does not seem to have the wire harness for blinkers and rear lights. In Europe both "offroad" and allroad versions sold can be made street legal by adding lights, blinkers and mirrors (they have the harness) if they are not sold that way already.
I was a little worried about that the rear brake on the handlebar would raise some red flags, which was not an issue in the end.
 

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If you can get anything street legal in Europe, you can normally easily get it legal in the US!
The pure offroad version that you can directly buy from China does not seem to have the wire harness for blinkers and rear lights. In Europe both "offroad" and allroad versions sold can be made street legal by adding lights, blinkers and mirrors (they have the harness) if they are not sold that way already.
I was a little worried about that the rear brake on the handlebar would raise some red flags, which was not an issue in the end.
There are like two people who have successfully gotten them street legal. I think there are a couple of things lacking, like brake lights and turn signals, that need to be installed to get it up to snuff, then you have to fight the DMV. The bikes aren't issued with VINs so you have to get the MFG cert from Surron, then petition your DMV, then get it inspected, then register it. I've heard of at least one person who got it registered as a moped then converted to motorcycle use, or something like that.

tl;dr it's not an easy process and the odds of you ending up spending $1000 to still end up with a dirtbike are non-zero
 

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There are like two people who have successfully gotten them street legal. I think there are a couple of things lacking, like brake lights and turn signals, that need to be installed to get it up to snuff, then you have to fight the DMV. The bikes aren't issued with VINs so you have to get the MFG cert from Surron, then petition your DMV, then get it inspected, then register it. I've heard of at least one person who got it registered as a moped then converted to motorcycle use, or something like that.

tl;dr it's not an easy process and the odds of you ending up spending $1000 to still end up with a dirtbike are non-zero
some states such as Oregon have gone to a Vin dedicated software that will tell the agent if the VIN was established as factory road legal. As a result anyone who had a plated dirtbike ended selling them off due to DMV would no longer renew the registrations. I sold 4 bikes that year after DMV said they wouldnt renew the registrations, Honda XR650r, Yamaha YZ426f, Yamaha WR450f, and a CR500, all plated with baja design dual sport kits.
 

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There are like two people who have successfully gotten them street legal. I think there are a couple of things lacking, like brake lights and turn signals, that need to be installed to get it up to snuff, then you have to fight the DMV. The bikes aren't issued with VINs so you have to get the MFG cert from Surron, then petition your DMV, then get it inspected, then register it. I've heard of at least one person who got it registered as a moped then converted to motorcycle use, or something like that.

tl;dr it's not an easy process and the odds of you ending up spending $1000 to still end up with a dirtbike are non-zero
Interesting. Sur Ron sells the version with all that, basically that is the only one you can get through European distributors. I have the first one in Denmark. The version I bought came with a European Certificate of Conformity, so it was treated as an "import" motorcycle. I petitioned the equivalent to DMV here, got approval, had to do an inspection and after that was passed, they added the model to the database. Now everyone else importing one does not have to go through the petition step. It was fairly inexpensive to do all that, around $250.

If I look on the US site of Sur Ron, the R model seems to be available and, judging from the pics, has all the wiring and blinkers and such. Here in Denmark it would only need the addition of mirrors for getting it street legal.

 

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I have my doubts. Here's a guy who went through it in Washington:
"Easy, but time consuming. Once the bike showed up I had to get an official translation of the MCO so I could get the bike registered as a dirt bike at the local DOL. They gave me my dirt tags and registration that day but I had to wait almost 5 weeks for the title to show up. Once I had my title I went and got a street inspection done at my local dirt bike dealer. Once that's done it's back to DOL so they can shred my registration and the title I just got in the mail a few days earlier. I was given the motorcycle plate and a new street registration and in another month or so I'll have a title again. Once I have the title in hand again I'll be selling the bike because I've got something else brewing just over the horizon. "

I guess it's worth reaching out to the vendor to confirm whether or not it is indeed legal, but it's just not a priority right now and Surrons around here are "evil" because priviledged white kids terrorize the neighborhood on them.,
 

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I have my doubts. Here's a guy who went through it in Washington:



I guess it's worth reaching out to the vendor to confirm whether or not it is indeed legal, but it's just not a priority right now and Surrons around here are "evil" because priviledged white kids terrorize the neighborhood on them.,
Sounds like he bought directly from China. That is guaranteed trouble here in Europe. The money you save by ordering direct, you will put in for the inspections, paperwork, etc.
If you go through the official distributor, they should be able to provide you with all the translated paperwork and such.
 

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That escalated quickly.


Workers at KTM are still waiting on their November paychecks, which the company promised would be made up for with an advance on December salaries. Now, it’s going back on its word, by saying December pay will come at the end of the month — seemingly without word as to whether the company would pay out more than a fraction of its workers’ Christmas bonuses.
 

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