with all due respect - at your weight i wouldn't expect to be bottoming out a 170mm fork on a 5 foot huck to flat.
MRP Noken - thoughts?
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I made some of these 4 or so years ago.
Been using them.
Friends comment my fork has a tumor....
Different use case 6ft 190lbs on a short wheelbase bike... need lots of initial support so higher air pressure and didn't want tons of ramp up... I've also got some negative spring trickery that takes up some extra space and this really just gets me back down to close to "0" volume spacers.
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Oil migration....This is also an alternative:
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Who doesn't like the industrial look?
EverFlow on Instagram: "You've removed all the tokens but you still can't use all the travel. Decrease PSI is not an option otherwise you lose mid stroke support and get out of control easily on steep and fast chunk. Part of the ramp up towards the end stroke is caused by the air being compressed inside the lower legs, particularly on the leg where the air spring is located. AirLink decreases the end stroke ramp up by connecting the volumes inside the lower legs, "sharing" and reducing the pressure generated on the spring side. Available for Fox and RockShox, with or without the pressure relief button. -Challenge any Trail- www.everflow.it"
116 likes, 5 comments - everflow.suspension on April 4, 2024: "You've removed all the tokens but you still can't use all the travel. Decrease PSI is not an option otherwise you lose mid stroke support and get out of control easily on steep and fast chunk. Part of the ramp up towards the end...www.instagram.com
Well let us know how it goes.
I've never found the "perfect" fork. Regardless of all the tuning. I've got really close. But that was a loooong time ago. And I've done a lot. Nowadays, I just stick to what I know, and try not spend moar money.
In my experience? Upper body strength. Hand/arm/shoulder strength. Core. All the strengths. Sounds janky doesn't it? But yeah.
And Mrs. SylentK likes muscles. So there's that.
I've never found the "perfect" fork. Regardless of all the tuning. I've got really close. But that was a loooong time ago. And I've done a lot. Nowadays, I just stick to what I know, and try not spend moar money.
In my experience? Upper body strength. Hand/arm/shoulder strength. Core. All the strengths. Sounds janky doesn't it? But yeah.
And Mrs. SylentK likes muscles. So there's that.
I'm much heavier than you and still have trouble using all the travel.
Usually there is 1-2cm left under the max travel marking on the tubes. I've also released all air and made sure that the fork can actually bottom out to those markings and it can.
And this travel being left on the table doesn't matter where I ride - local or traveling to much rockier trails.
WTF is that thing? I saw one for the first time on a local marketplace page the other day.This is also an alternative:
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Who doesn't like the industrial look?EverFlow on Instagram: "You've removed all the tokens but you still can't use all the travel. Decrease PSI is not an option otherwise you lose mid stroke support and get out of control easily on steep and fast chunk. Part of the ramp up towards the end stroke is caused by the air being compressed inside the lower legs, particularly on the leg where the air spring is located. AirLink decreases the end stroke ramp up by connecting the volumes inside the lower legs, "sharing" and reducing the pressure generated on the spring side. Available for Fox and RockShox, with or without the pressure relief button. -Challenge any Trail- www.everflow.it"
116 likes, 5 comments - everflow.suspension on April 4, 2024: "You've removed all the tokens but you still can't use all the travel. Decrease PSI is not an option otherwise you lose mid stroke support and get out of control easily on steep and fast chunk. Part of the ramp up towards the end...
part of it is the mentality that you need to be regularly bottoming out a fork (using 100% travel) in order for it to be "working properly" is a bit outdated IMO.
The point isn't that one can't bottom it out regularly, it's that it never bottoms out. It hardly reaches the last 10% of travel....ever.
Going full circle by saying that my best fork of all time was an older Lyrik coil.Well let us know how it goes.
I've never found the "perfect" fork. Regardless of all the tuning. I've got really close. But that was a loooong time ago. And I've done a lot. Nowadays, I just stick to what I know, and try not spend moar money.
In my experience? Upper body strength. Hand/arm/shoulder strength. Core. All the strengths. Sounds janky doesn't it? But yeah.
And Mrs. SylentK likes muscles. So there's that.
My charger 2.0 Pike was good for an air fork, but flexy.
The old 36 I have now is not bad, and I do bottom out sometimes when I fuckup mostly. But less supple of the top which gives me more arm pump on longer DH. Not a problem around here, but out west is a different story.
Might just be too much fork
Pretty sure I used about 180mm of travel on my 150mm Lyrik the other day and somehow didn't go out the front door. What's the solution?
That additional "mid-stroke support" you're seeing (which if you actually look at the middle portion of travel is only a few lbs. – not even perceptible) is only coming from the stock Zeb being very progressive. You can gain even more of that type of support if you add more tokens. But at a certain point you're just giving up stroke – literally reducing your usable travel. Using tokens to gain mid-stroke support is like banging your head against the wall so you stop thinking about your tummy ache.
Even if the Zeb loses a tiny bit of midstroke at the same pressure compared to without a Noken, if it really does drop the ramp by -1.1 tokens, I can easily add 1-2 psi to make that up and still have it ramp up less at the end than before.
I thought everyone at RM agreed that the proper thing to do with volume tokens was take them all out and throw them over the fence into the neighbor's yard. (credit @englertracing )
I thought everyone at RM agreed that the proper thing to do with volume tokens was take them all out and throw them over the fence into the neighbor's yard. (credit @englertracing )
Ha that's not all forks just a 36.
On a 38 maybe one with its tube in tube setup.
On my 40 I run two
On my morc 36 currently I have ALOT.
But I think I've identified some issues leading to this... after addressed I think it will be less, and I'll give the runt another go.
Haven't ridden a zeb, but if they ramp too much when you like the initial movement and sag then.... a noken will be an improvement.
Lots of people think
"I want it real sensitive so I'll put a spacer and lower pressure but I also like big huckz so I better put two"
Then it dives and then slams into a wall of "progressionz"
you might be the only person with one of these.
I have an old Lyrik coil on my pub bike. I should check when it was last rebuilt but I'm presuming like 2005.
How will people know how hardcore I am if I can't tell them I'm running 8 tokens??
I know of a few other, Chris porter has one for sure
and there was one for sale on pink bike... that was assembled at suspension syndicate
Do you have any idea how many he actually sold?
SuspensionSyndicate on Instagram: "mojo rising 36 morc crown ✔ custom damper ✔ modified air spring ✔ new bushings ✔ nd tuned low friction seals ✔ combining 2 forks to make one super fork ✔ if only all our projects were like this one. thanks @headwaters_hemp for chosing us for this dope fork mod! #mojo_rising #thedopeshit #custommtb #custommtbsuspension #suspensiontuning #plushasfuck #suspensionsyndicate"
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I think someone paid 1400 for it.
I believe this may be chris' bike
I thought about asking him but didnt.
I have an Ohlins RXF36 and it’s about the best air spring I’ve tried. Excellent damper too. I haven’t ridden the latest Charger or RCx damper.
Do you see this as an issue for Fox's forks with different oils left and right? Or also for RS's?
I have actually no idea what the red thingy in the middle is....
Edit: I looked it up and it's a pressure release valve with a push button
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For what they cost I'm frankly surprised he sold any
You can tell them however many tokens you need to have in your fork to sound hardcore. How will they every know the real number?
Additional street cred if you put a sticker of a suspension tuning company on the fork. You may or may not have send the fork to the company, neither your fellow group ride members or you will ever know or feel the difference.
Every time you turn those forks upside down the oil will equalize levels (probably)
So with the fox with more 5w in the damper leg then the 20w in the air leg I'm sure you'd transfer 5w to the air side
Try getting old... I've found it suddenly becomes very easy to gain weight.I'm in the same boat as OP. Was able to go up to 160 during the summer... at 6'-1"
That would surely be beneficial, making this sticky 20W Gold more fluid
Well thanks, but not that young unfortunately.Try getting old... I've found it suddenly becomes very easy to gain weight.
Oh good you got the joke, I was worried it wasn't blatantly obvious enough
Maybe quit hoovering schneef