As a lighter rider, I have a hard time using most of my travel on my Zebs even with 0 tokens, especially the 160mm version. I can't run lower pressure without making it lose support, but I will end up using ~15-20mm less travel than my 160mm Lyrik on the same big g-out type compressions
By triple I just mean the same thing as Runt / Ohlins: negative + postive 1 + positive 2. Technically conventional air springs are 2 chambers (neg / pos).
I removed the divider between the 2 positive chambers on both Marzocchi forks I had with this system. I like one big positive chamber. Then if I need to add progression it's easy to take up volume in it.
That additional "mid-stroke support" you're seeing (which if you actually look at the middle portion of travel is only a few lbs. – not even perceptible) is only coming from the stock Zeb being very progressive. You can gain even more of that type of support if you add more tokens. But at a certain point you're just giving up stroke – literally reducing your usable travel. Using tokens to gain mid-stroke support is like banging your head against the wall so you stop thinking about your tummy ache.
That's why you put a 3rd chamber like a RUNT in there; more mid support due to the decrease in volume similar to packing it full of spacers. But then reduced progression as the volume then increases once the main chamber reaches the same pressure as the RUNT and the RUNT piston starts moving.
The Noken thing is interesting, but I agree with everyone that say "what's the point of buying an expensive fork when you have to buy upgrades right away?"
- I've tried the RUNT on a 38. It's pretty neat. It makes you feel like you have a flat tire that's how sensitive it makes it. But there's a lot of ramp up to the point where you have to deviate from the 2 to 1 psi ratio.
- I've tried the SECUS on a 40. Not bad. Didn't make a huge difference but I was warned it wouldn't do much. Overall the 40 with a SECUS and Fluid Focus valving was good.
The Ohlins forks are tricky to fine tune but once you find where you want to be, they're great. Write your settings down!
I've got a couple rides on mine, and it does what it says on the tin. No clearance issues on a size M Nomad 6 with a Zeb. I'm still not riding full intensity but it felt really good to me - using more travel, less ramp at the end. I am running my bike with a bit less sag currently (~15% front, 25% rear), so extrapolating if I was running a normal amount (18F/30R), I'd probably try adding 2-3 psi or more damping from a zero token setup for mid support. Still, this feels more tuneable, as even at those higher pressures, I had excellent grip over wet rocks.
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