So, who on here is going? I'm making the sweet trek from Santa Barbara out to there. Can't wait, since it's always my favorite course of the year!
MSC#3 Angel Fire
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Oh yeah. I'm going too! cuttin' out from S.D
Oh yeah. I'm going too! cuttin' out from S.D
I think we're heading down from washington/idaho.
Kyle,
Kyle,
Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Pro GRT! Pro GRT! numba 2!
Driving up from san antonio Texas
That is a hell of a drive kyle. I drove to AF in 07 from my house in WA. 24 hours. it sucked. hope you are flying.
Can't wait though. Angel Fire is a burly mtn. See you guys there!
I think a bunch of us are going. it will be cheaper and easier than flying.
Kyle,
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Yo guys!
A quick question to ya'll that are heading to Angel Fire... we're (the MSC staff and myself) are trying to decide if we should get t-shirts made for the event. We did shirts for the Chalk Creek Stampede (also part of the MSC) and we took a BEATING on them, pretty much because of the economy, gas prices, etc.
So let me know, whatya think? We'll do 'em if you guys want 'em and think you can afford 'em but we don't want to waste time and resources if you guys really don't care.
Thanks!
A quick question to ya'll that are heading to Angel Fire... we're (the MSC staff and myself) are trying to decide if we should get t-shirts made for the event. We did shirts for the Chalk Creek Stampede (also part of the MSC) and we took a BEATING on them, pretty much because of the economy, gas prices, etc.
So let me know, whatya think? We'll do 'em if you guys want 'em and think you can afford 'em but we don't want to waste time and resources if you guys really don't care.
Thanks!
I probably wouldn't get a shirt if it wasn't included with registration, depending on the price.
Evan,
As it stands, I've bought a shirt(s) most the times that I have raced. But honestly, I doubt I'd buy any this time. Given all the reasons you sited, plus some others.
Just not something I HAVE to have. Getting the money to race is tough enough right now.
But I will show up to race, t-shirts or not
As it stands, I've bought a shirt(s) most the times that I have raced. But honestly, I doubt I'd buy any this time. Given all the reasons you sited, plus some others.
Just not something I HAVE to have. Getting the money to race is tough enough right now.
But I will show up to race, t-shirts or not
I'll be there.
Ya'll should just make a series wide t-shirt, and maybe one for the National Champs.
agreed... that's something i'll be doing w/ the Pro GRT next year when we're going to be able to do more marking & pump things up... this year is just too hard (exactly the reasons you stated)..
a series wide t-shirt would be the better idea... although in theory you could sell more shirts w/ individual shirts for the event... with the way things are now, you'll definitely lose out on the end
The series wide shirt sounds like a great idea. I like it. Good thinkin' Beast
Series T shirts are a great Idea! I would buy one of those. Cannot wait for Angel Fire DH!!!
I'm getting stoked for AF. I finally got a team trailer worked out; but it needs to have the VIN # verified, weighed at a truck station, registered in this state, and insurance. Lots to do, but its awesome to find some one who can borrow me a trailer for the summer
Gotta say I'd probably skip the T-shirt too. It sucks you guys took a hit at Chalk Creek.
Gotta say I'd probably skip the T-shirt too. It sucks you guys took a hit at Chalk Creek.
I bought two shirts, and will probably continue to. I have two AF shirts, and will continue to collect.
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Funny thing about everyone saying they'd be into a "series wide" t-shirt... we actually have already done that this year, and they've been available and for sale at the first two MSC races! Hats, hoodies, t-shirts, and pint glasses: http://www.racemsc.com/seriesinfo/mscseriesmerchandise.html
Guess we need to do a better job of getting the word out on that series merch, although I think that stuff has been in every email blast we've done. Hrrmmm... At any rate, thanks for the input guys, and I'll see ya'll in AF!
Guess we need to do a better job of getting the word out on that series merch, although I think that stuff has been in every email blast we've done. Hrrmmm... At any rate, thanks for the input guys, and I'll see ya'll in AF!
Hmmm...yeah, I guess I noticed them at the registration trailer, but honestly, the line moved so fast I didn't see them!! 
Plus I never went back to the registration trailer again, so there was no chance for me to see them or purchase them. Good thing you guys are race promoters first, retail merchandisers, second!
Plus I never went back to the registration trailer again, so there was no chance for me to see them or purchase them. Good thing you guys are race promoters first, retail merchandisers, second!
I'm pretty sure i'll be taking the train to ABQ and getting there at noon on Thursday. Is anyone going through there with some room?
Any info on the courses? looks like there will be an exclusive course for the PRO riders and everyone else will be on "course B". Details? Anyone?
No deets yet, waiting to hear back from the crew - they just got down there today and are out marking all the tracks (XC, DH, yadda yadda yadda...)
sweetness.
hey mister MSC GUY! I was checking the schedule out today and what the heck is up with 2 hours of practice!!! You mean to tell me I have to sit around all day, practice for 2 hours and then do nothing again... come on bro I would like to be able to free ride in the very least between practice sessions.
and 2 hours is VERY LIMITED. imagine if you get a flat? that could take anywhere between 30min to an hour to change out and there goes half your practice!
I loved the schedule last year! RIDE ALL DAY!! haha PLEASE BRING IT BACK!! I'll buy you a 30pk of whatever beer!!
I'm driving all the way from SB and I would really like to ride the dream that is Angel fire for more than 2 hours per day.
and 2 hours is VERY LIMITED. imagine if you get a flat? that could take anywhere between 30min to an hour to change out and there goes half your practice!I loved the schedule last year! RIDE ALL DAY!! haha PLEASE BRING IT BACK!! I'll buy you a 30pk of whatever beer!!
I'm driving all the way from SB and I would really like to ride the dream that is Angel fire for more than 2 hours per day.
Easy there tiger.hey mister MSC GUY! I was checking the schedule out today and what the heck is up with 2 hours of practice!!! You mean to tell me I have to sit around all day, practice for 2 hours and then do nothing again... come on bro I would like to be able to free ride in the very least between practice sessions.
I loved the schedule last year! RIDE ALL DAY!! haha PLEASE BRING IT BACK!! I'll buy you a 30pk of whatever beer!!
I'm driving all the way from SB and I would really like to ride the dream that is Angel fire for more than 2 hours per day.
LIFT TICKETS:
$15/day and are required for each day of competition and practice. Yes, we know that some resorts don't charge for race day tickets, but there was no way around this issue this year. To place it in perspective though, all categories are getting twice as much scheduled practice time than at any other NMBS venue, PLUS the whole mountain is open for you to ride every day.
whats with the course "b" for Cat 1???????? Cat 1 have always ridden the same course as the pros do.
Can't wait!
Yes, I am very interested to hear about this "Course B" BS. Cat 1 riders should be able to ride the same tech and fast **** as Pro cat, just not as fast. If they can't, they shouldn't be riding in Cat 1. Why in the world would I want to race on the same course as the beg? And better suited for Pros?? In what way!?! 
Same goes for the 2hr practice that we get?? So you're saying that as long as we have the pass, we can ride the course as long as it isn't practice for another category? So for the 2 hrs that I get, I get to rally on the course without the Beg and Sport. But after that, I have to worry about running them over the whole time?
Same goes for the 2hr practice that we get?? So you're saying that as long as we have the pass, we can ride the course as long as it isn't practice for another category? So for the 2 hrs that I get, I get to rally on the course without the Beg and Sport. But after that, I have to worry about running them over the whole time?
There are a couple guys heading down there tomorrow from here in Washington. I know a couple of the Portland guys are going down as well.
I'm anxious to see how things work out. The seperate Pro course is interesting for sure.
-Kevin
I'm anxious to see how things work out. The seperate Pro course is interesting for sure.
-Kevin
Yeah, I am also here to say that this 2 hour practice is total crap. Talk about giving the locals an advantage! You mean to tell me that I am going to drive 16 hours from Salt Lake City and only get two hours of course time per day...LAME. Let me guess, next thing you are going to tell me is that I have to purchase a USAC pro license for some un-godly amount of money, then charge me $70 to race. (oh yeah, then I have to buy a lift ticket.)
Will someone please hit me in the head with my $1500 new Boxxer to pull me out of this dream I am in? This is rediculous!
Will someone please hit me in the head with my $1500 new Boxxer to pull me out of this dream I am in? This is rediculous!
I just looked at the schedule and those are exactly my thoughts.. I'm baffled why race promoters think this is a good idea. I remember flyers that used to boast "ALL DAY PRACTICE" What happened to that?
It makes me wonder who is in charge? Definitely not a bike rider.... seriously is there going to be a racer picnic after 2 hour practice is over and there is still 9 hours daylight remaining? WTF??
My thoughts exactly....It's funny, that's why I enjoyed the MSC races...Of all the race organizers, they seemed to get it. All day practices, great atmosphere, fun race courses etc. Now they are slamming us with a maximum of 2 hrs of course time per day. LAME. That's not such a great way to get the riders to come back again.
What locals?
MOTHER OF GOD!!!
Did you guys even read the schedule?
Friday 2 hours practice
Saturday: 2.5 hours for cat 2&3. 3 Hours for Cat 1 and Pro (not sure why cat1 and pro get and extra half hour, might be a typo)
Sunday: 2.5 hours practice
Monday: 2 hours practice, but cat 1,2,3 have to share the course due to time constraints on race day.
On ALL four days, you will be able to ride the rest of the entire mountain, and AF has added quite a bit of fun stuff over the last couple years. Yeah, lift tickets are $15 bucks, but tell me what resort you can ride at ALL DAY for a $15 lift ticket? Hmmmm?
As far as all day practice. No thanks. I haven't seen that in a while. I don't miss the days when expert/pro had to share the practice course with beginner/sport. Frankly, I couldn't do 8+hours at Angel Fire, the race course is brutal. Plenty of other fun, challenging trails there and even some nice stunts.
And you don't have to pay $70 if you register online. Get used to it. A lot of races are not even allowing onsite registration anymore (Pajarito Punishment the very next week, for example) and that will probably become the norm, as promoters try and cut expenses. Welcome to the 21st century.
As far as locals having an advantage (Beast pretty much nailed it), that is unavoidable. But they won't have an advantage as far as the course itself, because it wont' be open until official practice. Only guys riding it prior, will be the ones involve in setting it up.
Did you guys even read the schedule?
Friday 2 hours practice
Saturday: 2.5 hours for cat 2&3. 3 Hours for Cat 1 and Pro (not sure why cat1 and pro get and extra half hour, might be a typo)
Sunday: 2.5 hours practice
Monday: 2 hours practice, but cat 1,2,3 have to share the course due to time constraints on race day.
On ALL four days, you will be able to ride the rest of the entire mountain, and AF has added quite a bit of fun stuff over the last couple years. Yeah, lift tickets are $15 bucks, but tell me what resort you can ride at ALL DAY for a $15 lift ticket? Hmmmm?
As far as all day practice. No thanks. I haven't seen that in a while. I don't miss the days when expert/pro had to share the practice course with beginner/sport. Frankly, I couldn't do 8+hours at Angel Fire, the race course is brutal. Plenty of other fun, challenging trails there and even some nice stunts.
And you don't have to pay $70 if you register online. Get used to it. A lot of races are not even allowing onsite registration anymore (Pajarito Punishment the very next week, for example) and that will probably become the norm, as promoters try and cut expenses. Welcome to the 21st century.
As far as locals having an advantage (Beast pretty much nailed it), that is unavoidable. But they won't have an advantage as far as the course itself, because it wont' be open until official practice. Only guys riding it prior, will be the ones involve in setting it up.
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Listen, you'll get plenty of practice and plenty of time on your bike. In fact by the end of Monday, I bet you won't want to ride your bike for at least another week.
I don't want to repeat what old sckool said, cuz it's legit. 2.5hrs a day for 4 days straight doesn't sound like much, but that's enough to get to know the course extremely well and get beat up extremely well.
If you don't think doing the DH is enough, do the MTX. I guarantee that'll slow you down a bit. Still not enough? Do the SD.
Plus the mountain is open for riding all day. You may not be able to ride your track, but you can still take the lift and ride trails.
Take it easy, AF is sweet, and BFP does a great job. Have some fun and start getting excited bitches! :biggrin:
Sorry dude, but as a Pro, I don't want to be sharing practice with non pro's. The only time I've ever been injured at a dh race was by coming up on someone who couldn't get up on time and forcing me off course. No offense but mixed pro practice is not ok.Yes, I am very interested to hear about this "Course B" BS. Cat 1 riders should be able to ride the same tech and fast **** as Pro cat, just not as fast. If they can't, they shouldn't be riding in Cat 1. Why in the world would I want to race on the same course as the beg? And better suited for Pros?? In what way!?!
Yeah, guys relax...Im totally stoked to be racing Angel Fire.
I have raced it for several years and will continue to do so. I guess I am just voicing my frustrations about limited practice time because I want to be able to practice and do my ususal "course inspections" in my own weird anal retentive way. It's all good, by the time I practice, walk the course and race 4X I will be more than exhausted.
Looking forward to racing and enjoying my bike again!
I have raced it for several years and will continue to do so. I guess I am just voicing my frustrations about limited practice time because I want to be able to practice and do my ususal "course inspections" in my own weird anal retentive way. It's all good, by the time I practice, walk the course and race 4X I will be more than exhausted.
Looking forward to racing and enjoying my bike again!