[N8 v2.0]

Mushroom cloud spotted in North Korea explosion
Yonhap News (South Korea) | September 11, 2004

(URGENT) NK explosion-mushroom cloud

A reliable source in Seoul's diplomatic community says Sunday a mushroom cloud with a radius of 3.5 to 4 kilometers was spotted in Kimhyongjik County in North Korea's northernmost inland province of Yanggang on Sept. 9.




Report: Major Explosion in North Korea
Large Explosion Reported in Northern Part of North Korea; No Word on Fatalities or Injuries
The Associated Press

SEOUL, South Korea Sept. 11, 2004 — A large explosion occurred in the northern part of North Korea on an important anniversary of the communist regime, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported Sunday.

Citing an unidentified source in Beijing, Yonhap said the explosion happened on Thursday in Yanggang province near the border with China. The damage and crater left by the explosion in Kim Hyong Jik county was big enough to be noticed by a satellite, the source said.

North Korea was founded on Sept. 9, 1948. Leader Kim Jong Il uses the occasion to stage performances and other events to bolster loyalty among the impoverished North Korean population.

Experts have speculated that North Korea might use a major anniversary to conduct a nuclear-related test, though there was no immediate indication that the reported explosion on Thursday was linked to Pyongyang's efforts to develop nuclear weapons.

On April 22, train wagons at a railway station exploded in the North Korean town of Ryongchon, killing 160 people and injuring an estimated 1,300, according to some estimates. The blast was believed to have been sparked by a train laden with oil and chemicals that hit power lines.

The source that told Yonhap about the explosion last week said it was reportedly bigger than the train explosion in Ryongchon.

Copyright 2004 The Associated Press

 

[TheMontashu]

You Lie!

 

[N8 v2.0]

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6211081

According to reuters, Washington isn't ruling out a nuclear test. That's pretty close to confirmation.

 

[s1ngletrack]

Interesting - you kayak N8? WW?

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

if its a bomb, good for them. that bomb will probably save a lot of north-korean lives. if its a nuke, the US would think twice before razing the place.

they just got their insurance against the US pulling out the steam-roller over them like with iraq.

 

[Silver]

if its a bomb, good for them. that bomb will probably save a lot of north-korean lives. if its a nuke, the US would think twice before razing the place.

they just got their insurance against the US pulling out the steam-roller over them like with iraq.

You'd be surprised. In a country where the gun nuts claim that if everyone walked around with an AK-47 we'd be a lot more polite, people really get their panties in a knot when another nation joins the nuclear club.

(Edit: Of course, they do have a point this time. This is a lot like letting a mental patient walk around with an AK-47.)

But, I suppose better NK sets one off now instead of lobbing one into Seoul when GW gets done with Iran and Syria...

 

[TheMontashu]

have you ever been to a "gun nut" state you will find that there very polite

 

[Silver]

Nevada is just a short drive away...

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

have you ever been to a "gun nut" state you will find that there very polite

yes they are.

the "gun nut" states are worldwide famous for their politeness and kindness with each other.

 

[valve bouncer]

If NK does indeed have nukes the folly of the Iraq war becomes even more apparent as the Americans are comparitively powerless to do anything. I know Shirley says wait and see, we'll fix 'em sooner or later but it seems that the N Koreans have been encouraged to get busy on the nuclear front while the Americans are playing games in Iraq. The most generous view is that the N Koreans see their nukes as some sort of bargaining chip to wring concessions from the West. Ironically the best hope here is China laying down the law to Kim and his cronies. What a f*cked up situation.

 

[BurlyShirley]

I dont care if they have nukes. They aint gunna bomb Johnson City Tn. Screw you guys. I aint in the military no more.

 

[Changleen]

NK now say it wasn't a nuke, but a controlled explosion for the construction of a dam. Fair enough explanation - However I now notice the American media making as much of the nuclear angle as possible - discussing scenareos, what-ifs and so forth, it's pretty wierd. Condi is still throwing forest fires around:

.S. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice went as far as to suggest that it may not have been an explosion at all. ``There are all kinds of reports and there are all kinds of assessments that are going on. Maybe it was a fire of some kind, a forest fire of some kind,'' she said.

I really don't understand what is actually going on America (well, I think I do, but the outcome seems stupid to me) - the White House seems to be in full denial mode, and the press, after a shaky start is determined to make more of it than is apparantly the case - despite being told it was not a nuclear incident all the reports are dominated by the 'atomic ambition of Kim' angle. It's pretty screwed. You've polarised yourselves into two takes on the story which are probably both wrong. Why? Why not just actually report the story as the facts stand?

It's a sad thing that the facts of any story are an increasingly rare commodity in US news.

 

[Changleen]

I dont care if they have nukes. They aint gunna bomb Johnson City Tn. Screw you guys. I aint in the military no more.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the Attitude of the United States of America!

 

[Changleen]

If NK does indeed have nukes the folly of the Iraq war becomes even more apparent as the Americans are comparitively powerless to do anything.

Tru dat. The trouble is though, what if they actually don't have nukes, and as I said, the US press just continues to push the nuclear angle as they are right now - I mean if you just flicked onto the news right now you could be forgiven for thinking Korea had conducted a nuclear test.

 

[Skookum]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the Attitude of the United States of America!

You're like a sad polar opposite reflection of N8.

By the way is it true that the water swirls counter clockwise in the toilet south of the equator?

 

[Changleen]

Oh, cheer up for fvcks sake. It's all a big joke.

And, yes it is true. Sometimes I piss against the flow and laugh at the forces of nature as they pail before the might of my bladder. Wohahahaha!

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

You're like a sad polar opposite reflection of N8.

By the way is it true that the water swirls counter clockwise in the toilet south of the equator?

not really, toilet swirling goes counter clockwise or clockwise both in the north and in the south.

coriolis effect in a toilet is too small compared to other variables like shape, vortices, etc, etc to be a definite factor in the direction of rotation.

but in missiles is big enough so that a control system for a missile that works in the north, usually misses in the south.



took me 3 years of aerospace engineering for that take that higher education!.

 

[zod]

It's just a forest fire anyway, at least that's what they're saying...... Forest fire mushroom cloud..................RIIIIIIIGHT

 

[MikeD]

Wouldn't non-governmental seismic researchers have 'felt' a nuke blast and told everyone about it? Or did the Men in Black show up at their door within 30 seconds of recording it?

I find it hard to believe it's a forest fire, though.

MD

 

[Toshi]

Wouldn't non-governmental seismic researchers have 'felt' a nuke blast and told everyone about it? Or did the Men in Black show up at their door within 30 seconds of recording it?

i wouldn't be overly surprised. anything can be done in the name of national security, including keeping the people affected from telling the media...

 

[zod]

Now North Korea says they were out blowing up mountains!!

 

[MikeD]

i wouldn't be overly surprised. anything can be done in the name of national security, including keeping the people affected from telling the media...

Yeah, but all over the world? There are weather and earthquake researchers of all nationalities and locations...couldn't control them all.

I guess we'll see how it pans out.

MD

 

[Skookum]

not really, toilet swirling goes counter clockwise or clockwise both in the north and in the south.

coriolis effect in a toilet is too small compared to other variables like shape, vortices, etc, etc to be a definite factor in the direction of rotation.

but in missiles is big enough so that a control system for a missile that works in the north, usually misses in the south.



took me 3 years of aerospace engineering for that take that higher education!.

Awesome, well nobody here really knows much about Korea el Norte, but i'm glad to get the toilet swirling question resolved once and for all.

 

[llkoolkeg]

yes they are.
the "gun nut" states are worldwide famous for their politeness and kindness with each other.

Yeah...they sure are. Why not tend to your own historical glass house before bitching about ours, friend?



Peru (1965-66)
Peasant uprising: 8,000 peasants dead

"There in May 1991 she was shot dead in front of those people after a mock trial by terrorists who labelled her a Yankee imperialist. The shock and horror following her brutal murder echoed around the world. The circumstances of her death, focused the spotlight on Peru. Sr Irene had become one of the 30,000 known dead in the Sendero Luminosa's (Shining Path) guerilla war against the government in Peru."

"A Brief History of the Shining Path:
The Communist Party of Peru-Shining Path (Partido Comunista del Peru-Sendero Luminoso, usually referred to as simply Sendero Luminoso or Shining Path), is a Maoist guerrilla group in Peru famed for their use of violent and terrorist tactics. Its stated goal is to destroy existing Peruvian institutions and replace them with a communist peasant revolutionary regime.

Shining Path was founded by former university professor Abimael Guzman (a.k.a. President Gonzalo) in the late 1960s, and his teachings created the foundation of its militant Maoist doctrine. When Peru's military government allowed elections for the first time in a dozen years in 1980, Shining Path was one of the few insurrectionary groups that declined to take part, instead launching a guerrilla war by attacking election infrastructure in the highlands of the province of Ayacucho.

Throughout the 1980s, Shining Path grew in both the territory it controlled and the number of militants in its organization. By 1991, it had control of much of the countryside of the center and south of Peru and had a large presence in the outskirts of Lima, Peru's capital city, where they executed terrorist attacks against the city's infrastructure and residents.

During this era, Shining Path used tactics that included conscription of children, forced labor, executions by stoning and throat-slitting (ostensibly to save bullets), destruction of the electricity infrastructure, indiscriminate bombings, and targeted assassinations of political opponents.

However, in fighting Shining Path, the Peruvian armed forces also committed many atrocities. It destroyed villages and massacred campesinos it suspected of being supporters of Shining Path. Many of these abuses are now slowly coming to light.

On September 12, 1992, Guzman was captured by Peruvian special forces; shortly thereafter the rest of Shining Path's leadership fell as well. At the same time, Shining Path suffered embarrassing military defeats to campesino self-defense organizations — supposedly its social base — and the organization fractured into splinter groups. Although Shining Path has virtually disappeared, Peruvian armed forces still sporadically arrest active Shining Path members.

In addition to fighting the Peruvian government, Shining Path also had armed conflicts with another Peruvian guerrilla group, the Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement (MRTA), campesino self-defense groups organized by the Peruvian armed forces, and legally-recognized parties of the Peruvian Left.

The organization is on the United States Department of State's list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations, meaning (among other things) that it is illegal for US citizens to provide any aid to the group."

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

Yeah...they sure are. Why not tend to your own historical glass house before bitching about ours, friend?



Peru (1965-66)
Peasant uprising: 8,000 peasants dead

"There in May 1991 she was shot dead in front of those people after a mock trial by terrorists who labelled her a Yankee imperialist. The shock and horror following her brutal murder echoed around the world. The circumstances of her death, focused the spotlight on Peru. Sr Irene had become one of the 30,000 known dead in the Sendero Luminosa's (Shining Path) guerilla war against the government in Peru."

"A Brief History of the Shining Path:
The Communist Party of Peru-Shining Path (Partido Comunista del Peru-Sendero Luminoso, usually referred to as simply Sendero Luminoso or Shining Path), is a Maoist guerrilla group in Peru famed for their use of violent and terrorist tactics. Its stated goal is to destroy existing Peruvian institutions and replace them with a communist peasant revolutionary regime.

Shining Path was founded by former university professor Abimael Guzman (a.k.a. President Gonzalo) in the late 1960s, and his teachings created the foundation of its militant Maoist doctrine. When Peru's military government allowed elections for the first time in a dozen years in 1980, Shining Path was one of the few insurrectionary groups that declined to take part, instead launching a guerrilla war by attacking election infrastructure in the highlands of the province of Ayacucho.

Throughout the 1980s, Shining Path grew in both the territory it controlled and the number of militants in its organization. By 1991, it had control of much of the countryside of the center and south of Peru and had a large presence in the outskirts of Lima, Peru's capital city, where they executed terrorist attacks against the city's infrastructure and residents.

During this era, Shining Path used tactics that included conscription of children, forced labor, executions by stoning and throat-slitting (ostensibly to save bullets), destruction of the electricity infrastructure, indiscriminate bombings, and targeted assassinations of political opponents.

However, in fighting Shining Path, the Peruvian armed forces also committed many atrocities. It destroyed villages and massacred campesinos it suspected of being supporters of Shining Path. Many of these abuses are now slowly coming to light.

On September 12, 1992, Guzman was captured by Peruvian special forces; shortly thereafter the rest of Shining Path's leadership fell as well. At the same time, Shining Path suffered embarrassing military defeats to campesino self-defense organizations — supposedly its social base — and the organization fractured into splinter groups. Although Shining Path has virtually disappeared, Peruvian armed forces still sporadically arrest active Shining Path members.

In addition to fighting the Peruvian government, Shining Path also had armed conflicts with another Peruvian guerrilla group, the Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement (MRTA), campesino self-defense groups organized by the Peruvian armed forces, and legally-recognized parties of the Peruvian Left.

The organization is on the United States Department of State's list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations, meaning (among other things) that it is illegal for US citizens to provide any aid to the group."

yup, we are extremely fvcked up. and what you posted is the tip of the iceberg.
i wont cover the sun with a finger.

but i dont say we are famous for "politeness and kindness", or "peaceful living" or "excelent economy", we are famous for coke and guerrillas.

just like the gun nut states are famous for what they are.

so what?

i bitch about those who claim qualities that dont exist.

just like i would bitch if i met a peruvian who said we are famous for our excellent economy, or peaceful history, or like he who claims "gun nut states are famous for their politeness"

 

[llkoolkeg]

yup, we are extremely fvcked up. and what you posted is the tip of the iceberg.
i wont cover the sun with a finger.

but i dont say we are famous for "politeness and kindness", or "peaceful living" or "excelent economy", we are famous for coke and guerrillas.

just like the gun nut states are famous for what they are.

so what?

My point was as transparent as glass; you know- what the coke mirror is made from. Why do you so loathe your neighbors yet remain in their domain? Do you listen to a lot of Neil Young or something?

It just gets more than a little tiresome listening to you badmouth the South...

 

[-BB-]

yes they are.

the "gun nut" states are worldwide famous for their politeness and kindness with each other.

Yeah... as long as you don't have long hair, are the same religion, and have the same skin-tone. :mumble:

 

[Toshi]

Yeah, but all over the world? There are weather and earthquake researchers of all nationalities and locations...couldn't control them all.

I guess we'll see how it pans out.

MD

true, it would be a massive undertaking. but given that it took two full days for this sketchy sounding news to surface in the first place...

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

My point was as transparent as glass; you know- what the coke mirror is made from. Why do you so loathe your neighbors yet remain in their domain? Do you listen to a lot of Neil Young or something?

It just gets more than a little tiresome listening to you badmouth the South...

nope, i dropped out college. i´m back home and planning to transfer to a school in paris next year, or start my own business here.

the reasons why i went to alabama?? well, i started college in nyc, but i hated the codl winters, and wanted to major in aerospace engineering. and not that many schools fit my bill (warm weather, not very hard to get into, and close to shore). plus my ignorance in thinking the deep south was similar to the rest of the US.

plus initially i wanted to go to the UK, but my mom didnt liked the idea. i was 16 when i finished high school and started college so at that age i could not afford anything and i had to rely on my mom and dad.
so i had to settle there, since my mom didint let me go to UK.

and yeah i "badmouth" the south, but only when untrue things are said about it. like "famous for politeness" stuff.
just like i would make fun of a kid who said peru is "famous for a long history of economic success".

and its not badmouth, but more of a reality check like you did with me. nothing wrong with it. what is true if true, and truth never offends.

 

[llkoolkeg]

and yeah i "badmouth" the south, but only when untrue things are said about it. like "famous for politeness" stuff.
just like i would make fun of a kid who said peru is "famous for a long history of economic success".

and its not badmouth, but more of a reality check like you did with me. nothing wrong with it. what is true if true, and truth never offends.

Southern hospitality is untrue? I have experienced examples of it myself countless times, e.g. being invited to a river's edge fish fry in GA by people I had just met by the dock; asking for change from a guy at a gas station in SC to call my friend to pick me up only to have the guy say "just hop on up in" and drive me to my friend's place...even though it was 20 minutes in the other direction from where he was going, etc.

Of course there are still crazed rednecks in the US South just as there are in other countries and other parts of the US even if they don't call them that. Yes, segregation and racial intolerance have a history in the US South just as they do in other countries and other parts of the US even if the don't call them that. It says a lot about you, though, that you condemn a whole region and its people because of bones in the closet that no society is free from. For the most part, seeing the beauty or the ugliness in a situation is your own decision, be it subconscious or not. It's really too bad that you will now spread your bile throughout the world about a part of it that I really love.

And what do you mean the truth never offends? If I walk up to a physically unattractive girl at a shopping mall and tell her "you are ugly", do you not think she would be offended and I a cad for doing so? I can tell you that I am offended when you keep portraying the South as nothing but a repository for bible-beating Klansmen who drunkenly shoot up the town from their rusty pickups while cruising for minorites to lynch. Maybe you should look inside yourself for scars that beg healing before you write off millions of good people. Last time I checked, that was fairly decent working definition for a bigot.

 

[narlus]

damn ll, that was a good post.