[MMike]

Ok....maybe I'm just a big lame but I'v been listening the the Cure quite a bit lately. My daughter loves it too. (She smiles at me and says "Show me show me!"...and she whispers along with Rob Smith to the spider man "Thpidah!"....It's frickin cute I tell you) But wasn't the Cure supposed goth music? And as I understand it, goth is suposed to be dark and brooding....so why is the Cure so upbeat?

And I know I was wrong when I said it was true...LA LA LA LA.......

 

[SK6]

Goth and The Cure...... nope, can’t make the connection.....

Goth and Cradle of Filth....now that’s Goth!

 

[narlus]

listen to _Pornography_ or the _Carnage Visors_ EP....it's pretty dark. plus, they likely got lumped in when bobby smith was also pulling double duty as a member of siouxsie and the banshees.

 

[Mackie]

Ok....maybe I'm just a big lame but I'v been listening the the Cure quite a bit lately. My daughter loves it too. (She smiles at me and says "Show me show me!"...and she whispers along with Rob Smith to the spider man "Thpidah!"....It's frickin cute I tell you) But wasn't the Cure supposed goth music? And as I understand it, goth is suposed to be dark and brooding....so why is the Cure so upbeat?

And I know I was wrong when I said it was true...LA LA LA LA.......

Yeah, i always thought of the Cure as more of a New Wave-ish band than a goth band...certainly more upbeat than many of their contemporaries, like the prototypic goth band Bauhaus.

This topic calls for some Ben Folds lyrics that make me laugh:

"Oh well maybe not I’ll try again
This should cheer you up for sure
See I've got your old I.D.
And you're all dressed up like the Cure"

-Mackie (all dressed up like the Cure in his H.S. sophomore ID picture )

 

[N8 v2.0]

Been rocking to The Cure since The Walk in 1983.

Oh.. they and Siouxsie are not 'goth'...

 

[bluebug32]

"Oh well maybe not I’ll try again
This should cheer you up for sure
See I've got your old I.D.
And you're all dressed up like the Cure"

Haha...that's what I thought of immediately too. I think the band and Smith look like goth rockers in appearance, but there music (for the most part) is not. But is goth primarily an image or a type (sound-wise) of music?

 

[splat]

I feel Old

I saw them In the Worcester Centrum back in 87

 

[Echo]

Probably people who don't know anything about The Cure, or new wave, or goth, think Robert Smith looks goth so therefore The Cure must be goth.

 

[LordOpie]

^ exactly


I loved the Cure until StrongSad started loving them. He's such a poser.

 

[Drunken_Ninja]

the cure is like so 90s

 

[hooples3]

the cure was never really goth.. some albums were a little deeper..
they were alwyas more like older depeche mode, the smiths.. etc new wave stuff

 

[narlus]

Haha...that's what I thought of immediately too. I think the band and Smith look like goth rockers in appearance, but there music (for the most part) is not. But is goth primarily an image or a type (sound-wise) of music?

that's a good question...is bauhaus considered goth? if so, it because they wore black all the time, and/or wrote a song about bela lugosi?

the definition of goth is fairly broad and undetermined, but i'd think the banshees would fall into that category...they didn't start out that way (they were contemporaries of the Pistols; sid was their 1st "drummer"), as evidenced by "The Lord's Prayer" and "Metal Postcard". but listen to stuff on _Juju_ or _A Kiss in the Dreamhouse_ or _Tinderbox_; there's definitely some goth trappings on there.

what would people consider true goth bands? here's my stab:

fields of the nephelim (gotta love that flour-dusted look)
sisters of mercy
alien sex fiend (or where they more batcave?)
the damned (only circa _Phantasmagoria_)
the march violets
southern death cult (pre-Cult)

seems to be mainly limited to UK bands

 

[Rockland]

 

[narlus]

I feel Old

I saw them In the Worcester Centrum back in 87

was that on the _Kiss Me Kiss Me_ tour? if so, i was @ that show. best show i saw was the dark and windy night @ great woods, on the Disintegration tour.

 

[stevew]

what would people consider true goth bands? here's my stab:

fields of the nephelim (gotta love that flour-dusted look)
sisters of mercy
alien sex fiend (or where they more batcave?)
the damned (only circa _Phantasmagoria_)
the march violets
southern death cult (pre-Cult)

seems to be mainly limited to UK bands

You might be able to add Mary My Hope to that list. I liked "Museum" but I think that was their only release.

Fileds of the Nephelim was always good for clearing a room at a party.

 

[Tenchiro]

I never really thought of the Cure as Goth, Bauhaus on the other hand...

Einstuerzende Neubauten is another goth favorite.

EDIT -- Can't forget Nick Cave.

 

[splat]

was that on the _Kiss Me Kiss Me_ tour? if so, i was @ that show. best show i saw was the dark and windy night @ great woods, on the Disintegration tour.

Yup that was it ! It is the only time I saw them , it was a good show. even though our tix were way up in nose bleed area .

 

[narlus]

Einstuerzende Neubauten is another goth favorite.

EDIT -- Can't forget Nick Cave.

i think that industrial and goth lines can get blurry....must be all that angst and black clothing/white skin.

others:

test dept
skinny puppy
in the nursery
legendary pink dots
tear garden
bolshoi
mission UK

here's what allmusic.com has to say:

http://tinyurl.com/c2wyq

 

[narlus]

btw, the cure made allmusic's 1st tier of goth bands.

1st Bauhaus 70s-90s Rock
1st The Cure 70s-00s Rock
1st Fields of the Nephilim 80s, 90s Rock
1st Love and Rockets 80s-00s Rock
1st The Mission UK 80s-00s Rock
1st Peter Murphy 80s-00s Rock
1st Siouxsie and the Banshees 70s-90s Rock
1st The Sisters of Mercy 80s, 90s Rock
1st Tones on Tail 80s Rock
2nd Alien Sex Fiend 80s-00s Rock
2nd Christian Death 80s, 90s Rock
2nd Clan of Xymox 80s-00s Rock
2nd The Creatures 80s-00s Rock
2nd Flesh for Lulu 80s, 90s Rock
2nd Gene Loves Jezebel 80s-00s Rock
2nd Miranda Sex Garden 90s, 00s Rock
2nd Sex Gang Children 80s-00s Rock
2nd Southern Death Cult 80s Rock
3rd All About Eve 80s-00s Rock
3rd Attrition 80s-00s Rock
3rd Black Tape for a Blue Girl 80s-00s Rock
3rd Dali's Car 80s Rock
3rd The Damned 70s-00s Rock
3rd Death Cult 80s Rock
3rd Gitane Demone 90s Rock
3rd Fahrenheit 451 80s, 00s Rock
3rd .45 Grave 80s, 90s Rock
3rd David J 80s-00s Rock
3rd Jarboe 90s, 00s Rock
3rd The Lords of the New Church 80s Rock
3rd Nosferatu 80s-00s Rock
3rd Razed in Black 90s, 00s Rock
3rd Rosetta Stone 80s-00s Rock
3rd Theatre of Hate 80s-00s Rock
3rd The Voluptuous Horror of Karen Black 90s Rock
3rd The Wake

 

[Tenchiro]

1st Bauhaus 70s-90s Rock
1st Love and Rockets 80s-00s Rock
1st Peter Murphy 80s-00s Rock

Hah, all these a basically 3 variations on the same band.

 

[narlus]

Hah, all these a basically 3 variations on the same band.

not to mention Tones on Tail.

 

[Echo]

I always considered bands like "Type O Negative" to be goth. Not The Cure though.

 

[MMike]

So what you you consider the Jesus and Mary Chain to be?

I KNEW the Cure wasn't goth.....

 

[Tenchiro]

So what you you consider the Jesus and Mary Chain to be?

I KNEW the Cure wasn't goth.....

Jesus & Mary chain is totally not Goth. They have a Pearl Jam kind of sound, but not in the bad way that Pearl Jam sucks.

 

[MMike]

Oh...yeah I wasn't implying that they were goth. Just reading the names of bands that I haven't thought about in forever made me think of J&MC

 

[MMike]

And yes...Pearl Jam sucks hard and long....and not in a good way.

 

[Tenchiro]

I was suprised when I heard them on the radio the other day.

 

[narlus]

So what you you consider the Jesus and Mary Chain to be?

totally fuzzed out, in-the-red pop. but then again i've only got their "upside down" debut 7" and _Psychocandy_.

 

[sanjuro]

I think the rock equivalent would be explaining the difference between Led Zepplin and the Doobie Brothers. It is pretty obvious to any rock listener but the subtlies might be missed on someone else.

 

[stevew]

Jesus & Mary chain is totally not Goth. They have a Pearl Jam kind of sound, but not in the bad way that Pearl Jam sucks.

I guess I hear something different.

 

[BikeGeek]

Goth is such a varied style anymore. Seems a lot of today's goth is metal-based, with dark lyrics. Where do bands like Black Tape For A Blue Girl and Loves Lies Crushing fit these days? They used to be considered goth, and their label, Projekt, one of the premier goth labels. Their music was more dark, brooding, etheral type stuff.

I stopped trying to match my outfits to my music a long time ago. If I like it, I'll listen.

 

[N8 v2.0]

How about Ministry... not the old stuff from the early 80's but the stuff from the 90's?

I really liked With Sympathy but never got into their later speed metal sound...

 

[narlus]

How about Ministry... not the old stuff from the early 80's but the stuff from the 90's?

I really liked With Sympathy but never got into their later speed metal sound...

al jourgenson hates _with sympathy_ so much he's destroyed the master tapes and it is permanently out of print. never heard it myself, but it sounds like it's pretty sissy from all accounts.

bikegeek, good call on projekt. another goth label of note: nate starkman and son

red temple spirits and fourwaycross were pretty damned good.

 

[N8 v2.0]

al jourgenson hates _with sympathy_ so much he's destroyed the master tapes and it is permanently out of print. never heard it myself, but it sounds like it's pretty sissy from all accounts.

bikegeek, good call on projekt. another goth label of note: nate starkman and son

red temple spirits and fourwaycross were pretty damned good.

It was a nice album with some great dance tunes. Typical NuWave fair but still great! i have a copy.

Their stuff after it sucked IMO because it was just like every other speedmetal band out there.

 

[Echo]

It was a nice album with some great dance tunes. Typical NuWave fair but still great! i have a copy.

Their stuff after it sucked IMO because it was just like every other speedmetal band out there.

Huh? I'm no big Ministry fan, but they sure as hell never sounded like every other speedmetal band out there

 

[N8 v2.0]

Huh? I'm no big Ministry fan, but they sure as hell never sounded like every other speedmetal band out there

I donno... they sounded a lot like speedmetal to me... JetBoy, Queensryke, et al. I never was a fan of metal though.

 

[Joe Pozer]

Huh? I'm no big Ministry fan, but they sure as hell never sounded like every other speedmetal band out there

I was a huge Ministry fan back in the day...They had an industrial sound back in the 90's (not sure about now) which I guess some might confuse with metal...

 

[narlus]

more industrial than speedmetal. i am not a big fan of the industrial genre, but i do like certain parts of the 1st vanguard. stuff like Nurse With Wound, Current 93, Throbbing Gristle, etc. Whitehouse played in boston the same night i went to see Super Furry Animals...that would have been night and day had i gone after SFA's set.

 

[OGRipper]

Robert Smith looks goth so therefore The Cure must be goth.

Exactly. Thank video. If nobody ever saw Robert Smith the Cure would have been categorized as sensitive jangle pop. Kinda like R.E.M.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Where does something like Front 242 fit in? I love that stuff!