Musical chair game 2016 or Teh offseason prophecy
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This thread is like Fran Drescher at a strip club. At first you think she's pretty damn hot and follow her ass for the first bit. You take her in the back room.
Then she talks...
For 33 pages!
You wasted your time and walked out with a limp dick and got nothing from it.
Then she talks...
For 33 pages!
You wasted your time and walked out with a limp dick and got nothing from it.
Totally agree let the man make his money like the rest of us are trying to do.
Interesting how a brand like YT is stepping up. I hope its a good trend but I am sure a lot of bike shops disagree but I don't see this trend turning around the whole industry is seeing a shake up and some business models will change and new models will pop up.
TRP and Onza if they are willing to improve like he says in the interview that is pretty cool but will they have the funds to do so too. I would think TRP does and its seems like a good time to go more up market.
Honestly what a great opportunity for TRP and onza. Onza already has a decent looking mud tire and a DH tire in DH compounds. That should be good enough. A mechanic can cut the knobs on the mud spike and make it pretty similar to all the cut spikes that seem to be the rage now.
And while you could say that the brakes will be tested at the highest level, I'm not sure that the problems that normal people face will be faced by somebody like Gwin. Decent lever feel and reasonable power without air bubbles is just fine for him, but fade resistance from dragging and pad availability are something he probably doesn't need to worry about.
And while you could say that the brakes will be tested at the highest level, I'm not sure that the problems that normal people face will be faced by somebody like Gwin. Decent lever feel and reasonable power without air bubbles is just fine for him, but fade resistance from dragging and pad availability are something he probably doesn't need to worry about.
Like you could remember him. : )
Ha, my comment on Onza tires was actually from 4 score and 7 years ago.
They were called the Onza Rail and Rip and were a stout 1.9 inches wide.
Back when DH forks had 80mm of travel.
So yeah, carry on. I know nothing of their new stuff.
Based on your knowledge here, any comments on CST's name brand tires - http://www.csttires.com/int/bike/mountain-bike-tire/
The service side of bike maintenance and the incessant reminders of the mechanical aptitude of the average human pretty much guarantees their continued existence in my mind. I mean people in general are just really really bad at things.
CST makes all those brands' tires. They are the factory. Cheng Shin Tire also owns Maxxis as their "high end" brand alongside the more budget CST branded.
CST are ONZA? .....
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checked CST site, they dont have any tire that look like the ONZA Ibex...
not same pattern, not the same weights
What derailleur and shifter......?
Zee compatible I believe...
Seems like most of the people I've seen commenting on the various articles haven't bothered to read or listen to any of the interviews...he clearly stated that he values a company's willingness to take his feedback and make changes higher than a company that might have a better product but isn't as open to changes....he was specifically talking about the brakes and tires as he said most tire companies only have one good design in their range and he would rather have input in developing a more well rounded range...Ive been wanting to try some onzas...sounds like by next year there should be some good new ones out...
Yeah, guarantees the continued existence of the shops that have good service departments. That's what I meant by "the ones that adapt." The shops that elevate their level of service are the ones that will stick around. The ones who fail to invest in providing the highest levels of service will go out of business while they whine that it's the Internet's fault.
you cant help but wonder why it says exactly what you asked? "...which is title-sponsored by YT Industries,"
Totally and make the service department a more prominent part of the business that is not just stuck in the back of the shop. Btw fitting, suspension setup etc there is a lot of value for the customers and you should look at the life time earning on a customers not just one bike sale.
CST's branded tires are okay, but not up to the level that readers of this forum would look to. Would be like asking about a Toyota when you know you want a Lexus.
Thanks for the clarification! In that case, and knowing that Gwin will have so much input, I'm excited to see what they come up with
Best thread. lets talk about Fran some more.
Is cheng-shin really going to build any tire that surpasses its top dog (Maxxis)......?...ONZA might fit into a budget tier.....
Yup.
They say "bontrager" and "specialized" on the sides of them.
CST does not own/run/constitute onza or any of the other companies who's tires they make. They're just a manufacturing contractor. Just like anodizing inc and all the other portland fabrication shops made aluminum frames for other frame companies. Someone wanting to make a tire goes to CST with a design, shops their compounds and casings and puts in an order. Onza getting a better tire than something from maxxis isn't CST competing with itself exactly, its fulfilling their business role as a contracted tire fabricator. And someone like onza can use a design that's protected from CST throwing it in a maxxis tire.....at least for a while.
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I'd say specialized and bonchwanker both have tires that are at least as good as Maxxis' best tires. Why would it be any different for Onza?
Pffft, whatever man...let me know when those 2 make something as rad as the Griffin. I mean, there's just no way those guys would get that drunk.
CST does own Maxxis tho, Woo. Not the same relationship as CST has with Spec or Bonza.
And merida and giant make frames that don't say merida or giant on the downtube that are better than the ones that do. It's not any different.
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I seem to remember reading that CST created Maxxis as a way to showcase their technical know-how and production abilities. Not as a for-profit race winning tire company. That's probably paraphrasing a little bit, but that's the gist of what I remember.
Well maxxis treads are good because of the people they had designing tires. Their good designs are mostly 'legacy' now but those came directly from north america, directly from atlanta. And you can definitely tell at what point in time those guys left 
Things like the minions, the high rollers etc. weren't reverse engineered anything. Those were just good ideas straight from maxxis and people affiliated with them.
Things like the minions, the high rollers etc. weren't reverse engineered anything. Those were just good ideas straight from maxxis and people affiliated with them.
It's quite different for things like pricing and R&D. An in-house brand has a big advantage there compared to 3rd parties contracting with them to make product.
This is why companies such as Santa Cruz and Specialized basically have their own carbon frame factories these days. No other brands go through, just theirs. Other factories you can see 5-6 different brands all being made at the same place.
Maxxis tires should be cheap! Don't know what happened there, maybe a case of Special-itus?
I know, I was just oversimplifying.Well maxxis treads are good because of the people they had designing tires. Their good designs are mostly 'legacy' now but those came directly from north america, directly from atlanta. And you can definitely tell at what point in time those guys left
Things like the minions, the high rollers etc. weren't reverse engineered anything. Those were just good ideas straight from maxxis and people affiliated with them.
Basically nothing cool/relevant originates in Taiwan without input from outside.
OEM customers are the R&D /marketing division for the Taiwan house brands.
Of course. But that still doesn't mean onza is the same thing as CST or that onza won't end up with a better product than what gets sold as maxxis (which is where my comments on this began). My guess is that CST is a manufacturing plant that just decided to have two brand levels running from the house. But their priority is still making tires for other people.
And hey when you see something like a tomahawk or a griffon, you should know immediately that the competitive playing field is WIDE OPEN with the CST home brand
Wasn't this maxxis's first real tire?
I guess high rollers look a little like a comp 16. They're better than the comp 16 though.
I guess high rollers look a little like a comp 16. They're better than the comp 16 though.