is anyone else jealous of MX suspension technology?
*this is a 'post whore' post* :nuts:
*this is a 'post whore' post* :nuts:
MX suspension
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the best of both worlds... avalanche
oh? so where the hi and low speed compression and hi and low speed rebound adjustments then?partsbara said:
hint: CC/Ohlins....
i can t imagine needing em... the ohlins shock is interesting tho'... doesn t it have an outrageous price tag tho' ???zedro said:
i m super stoked on my dhs... every bike i ever own from now on will rock one
prolly !! i guess i m a bit of an old retro bastid... i like the simplicity of the avy with rebound and comp adjusters... just two dials... the 5th, manitou swinger 54 way and dhx5.0 just don t appeal to me... plus most people (myself included) are either 1) too lazy to set em up properly or 2) not knowledgeble enough to utilize every adjustment...Jm_ said:
zedro said:
AVALANCHE MTN-8, - and you are close :devil:
And..Yeah..as the other guys said....go Avalanche ! It dosent get better IMO !
adjustments arent considered adjustable if they're internal....because you cant adjust them.nickaziz said:
The DHX in that case has what the Avys have, exept with position sentivity. So i guess that makes the DHxs better
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zedro said:
Sorry my skepticim, but I doubt very much that the quality of the DHX can even get near the overall quality of an Avy
feel free to back that up with facts, instead of simple brand loyalty...seismic said:Sorry my skepticim, but I doubt very much that the quality of the DHX can even get near the overall quality of an Avy
Whow!
It is just my impression...thats all !
I'm just jealous of rich people.
upon writing this, your post count is below 100, so it counts for nothingnickaziz said:
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I am not saying the DHX is not good, but my impression in general is that shocks and forks built by Avalanche hold up really well, and that is not my impression when it comes to Fox.
You have a problem with cheese?nickaziz said:
Fox forks are pretty damn good... the DHXs I've bounced on felt alright but obviously that means nothing.
I agree that they feel nice...I am just still wondering if they will actually hold up to abuce over a long period.
seismic said:
Well everything will hold up to abuse over a long period of time if you're willing to accept that it might not work optimally at all times.... haha
That is not far from the truth
Yeah, okaynickaziz said:
Their forks are awesome and the new shocks are great as well. I would almost definitely take a DHX over an Avalanche.
Why ?JRogers said:Yeah, okay
Their forks are awesome and the new shocks are great as well. I would almost definitely take a DHX over an Avalanche.
because you get to "adjust" it the way you want, not the way some snotty dude tells you how he wants to tune it.seismic said:
Being a canadian with a bike not on the fit list, i wouldn't be surprised if he wouldn't even want to sell me one (and there is some precedence here as well).
dude who are u? Whats the deal with all the lurkers with the strong opinions on everything. Why don't you gain a little RESPECT around here before you go and run your mouth? And could you explain to us how your the only one around who actually has bad things to say about fox. Ive NEVER heard a single complaint "feel" wise about fox stuff. The only negative ive heard is there sometimes reliablity issues with leaking and seals etc. but other then that all ive heard is excellent things.nickaziz said:
i hope you're not talking about the frame you built, since that's a ridiculous example -- why would a one off frame be on his fit list? second, it's "precedent".zedro said:
my experience is that my swinger 6 way felt sticky, my fox rc and r shocks never blew up but never felt well damped (and bobbed a ton, both on kona-style and fsr-style linkage bikes), and my avalanche dhs feels wonderful. and, uh, keeps me on the ground for better cornering due to its increased weight. yes.
disclaimer: my 6 way was used, so maybe it's action wasn't its fault. and i didn't screw around with it either. which goes back to the earlier point, that i told craig how and what i ride, he valved my shock for it, and it works.
But thats what they also do @ PUSH, try to dial it in just for you. Its not a mass produced fits all bikes type shock. I've never ridden the new Fox and heard its really nice so far, but I'm happy with the way Craig has set up my Avalanche on both bikes.zedro said:
I have to agree. The Fox (the ol rc) IMO felt like sh#t ! "Noooo, - do not set any compression on it because then it will blow" is a sentence I have heard too many times. How is it that you make a shock that can not take its own compression dampning?? Also, - if not the compression dampning then you had the on/off rebound dampning which (again in my humble opinion) was easy to blow up. Maybe the new Fox forks and the DHX are good, - but apart from that I think Fox has not made good products in the past. Other products ? Romic = blew 3 times within half a year. 5th = 90% of the 5th owners I know have had leaking problems.
I like the Avy because I can trust it. That is one point I have never experienced with ANY other shock.
I like the Avy because I can trust it. That is one point I have never experienced with ANY other shock.
uhh, yeah, no **** its not on the fit list (brilliant observation btw), the point is that would be a big problem getting an Avy BECAUSE ITS NOT ON THEIR FIT LIST (and i dont mean size wise). Selling stuff seems to be a huge bother to them, and god knows anyone other than themselves are too incompetent to know what they want regardless...Toshi said:
so i'll stick to my DHX...cheaper, more tunable, lighter...and if you've ever seen one up close, they are very nicely made (no comparison to the Vanillas)
zedro said:
It bothers me to say this , but it sounds like you are kind of angry at Avalanche
why are we even talking about the old Vanilla stuff? its dead, gone, its so 1994.seismic said:
and yeah, theres always room for custom tuning no matter what, but whats the use when the service is not available to me? I'm not going to deal with a guy who'll say "i dont know the bike, i'm not touching it".... "thats the way its supposed to be so i wont change it" or "i wont ship to canada because its too much of a bother"....
He would not ship it to Canada ? Well, - he shipped to me in Denmark and I think that is quite far away when compared. Now, - I am getting curious...which frame do you have ?
someone has yet to explain why the avy is worth more money, more weight, and less flexibility in switching from bike to bike (due to needing specific settings). boutique stuff is great but it comes with many hassles.
Oh wait, I know: Fox is lame cuz everyone has one
Oh wait, I know: Fox is lame cuz everyone has one
i bought mine off of KonaDude, who most definitely lives in canada. furthermore, he had his for his own PROTOTYPE frame, so it's not like craig is completely unwilling to deal with new designs. there must be more to the story than what zedro is letting on. yes, i had to get the shock revalved after i bought it, since i wasn't going to run it on a pdc (linkage, rising rate) but rather on my f1 (pretty linear rate as i have been told).seismic said:
OGRipper said:someone has yet to explain why the avy is worth more money, more weight, and less flexibility in switching from bike to bike (due to needing specific settings). boutique stuff is great but it comes with many hassles.
Oh wait, I know: Fox is lame cuz everyone has one
This is only MY opinion !!!
1. Super quality...better than ANYTHING I have ever tried !
2. SUper nice compression and rebound dampning. You can feel the difference click to click.
3. A very plush feel and does not bottom out. I have mine made for taking drops after smashing most other stuff.
4. Top quality internals and last without leaking.
5. A very different type of dampning when compared to my friends. As a guy once said to me..." your rear shock feels more burly than my Monster"...I think that is close to the feel I get !
For the above 5 things I have no problem with the weight and the price. I simply love it and I feel I can trust it. That is very important for me
I don't quite understand how a rear shock can feel burly? Please explain? Also its great that you like your shock and all but explain how the quality is better then ANYthing you have tried? Why don't you rephrase and say "I" like the quality better then anything? I own a 5th element and the quality is good enough. Progressives customer service is close to the best in the business and ive had no problems at all with leaking or anything else. Also if you have seen a new DHX youll notice the amazing machining and craftsmanship on the resiovior. Ive ridden my buddys v10 with a 5th and a DHX and i must say the DHX is amazing. Ive never ridden an AVY but you dont see me making comments comparing it to other companies?seismic said:This is only MY opinion !!!
1. Super quality...better than ANYTHING I have ever tried !
2. SUper nice compression and rebound dampning. You can feel the difference click to click.
3. A very plush feel and does not bottom out. I have mine made for taking drops after smashing most other stuff.
4. Top quality internals and last without leaking.
5. A very different type of dampning when compared to my friends. As a guy once said to me..." your rear shock feels more burly than my Monster"...I think that is close to the feel I get !
For the above 5 things I have no problem with the weight and the price. I simply love it and I feel I can trust it. That is very important for me
lol, about time someone called that cliche outbiker3 said:
biker3 said:
First of all I was answering the guy who wanted an explanation and as I think I wrote...this is just my opinion
I have seen many 5th blow and I do not like that...I have seen Romic and the old Fox blow too...I did not like that either...that is one reason for the Avy.
The feeling when riding the Avy is massive, - it feels like you are using a shock that is very big and burly, moves very controlled and does not feel whimpy (like I found the Romic). I know it might sound odd and I have to admit that I might not be good at explaining it, - but it is the feeling I have when riding the Avy.
No, - I do not see you making comments about other companies, - but does that mean that I can not ? If I do not like certain brands or products I do not find it a problem to state my meaning or experience, as long as I state it is just my opinion.
Have you ever ridden a Monster ? and then afterwards a Boxxer or Super T ? (or any other very light fork) ...then you might know what I mean by "burly"
Ya'll can argue all ya want... but I personally don't have to be (how do you say?) "jealous" of MX squish... and I don't even need an Any or a Fox or a whatever...HTFR said:
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