[kidwoo]

What would have needed to happen for things to NOT look fishy?

He would have had to avoid youtube propaganda.


But he didn't.


So it swims.

 

[ridiculous]

More involvement in Afghanistan
More unmanned vehicles
Better energy policies, aid to those developing clean power technology.
Another bailout

 

[kidwoo]

If you dont think something very fishy is going on you should start looking at things for what they are.

Oh yeah

What are they?

 

[4xBoy]

Hey...I am not expecting miracles

I expect only miracles from him.

 

[stevew]

I expect only miracles from him.

a check.

 

[Plummit]

The body of US 'Policy' is so massive, that it's easy to say he won't change much, or he's just the other side of the same coin, etc.

However, a serious commitment to new energy technologies is a big change. I still believe the US is the most innovative country on Earth (just ask the 'innovators' on Wall St ) Pushing an agenda for a cleaner energy economy will create jobs here and begin the long process of weaning us off oil, if not for environmental reasons, then for solidly geopolitical ones. If we're not as beholden to Canada (our number one source of 'foreign oil') and other equally vile totalitarian monarchies and theocracies in the Middle East, we won't really need to care what happens there as much. If we can innovate and create cost competitive technologies, these are products that we can sell around the world along with the expertise that goes along with them.

Executive order overturning the Global Gag rule ASAP

Congress overturning the fed Stem Cell Funding Restrictions

Re-engagement with the world diplomatically. (The kind of diplomacy that asks questions first.)


And, admittedly minor, but it's been grating for the last 8 years, no more hearing the President of the United States of America, the Commander in Chief, the person some would argue is the single most powerful person on the planet (apologies to the underground lizards) saying "NUKULAR."

 

[MMike]

In the absence of "nucular"....I really hope Obama starts saying, "whole nother" or irregardless....

 

[X3pilot]

Make everyone of the people that voted for him simply based on his race quit referring to him as the first black president and just refer to him as THE President.

 

[$tinkle]

Make everyone of the people that voted for him simply based on his race quit referring to him as the first black president and just refer to him as THE President.

the day he's no longer widely called the 1st black president i'll eat the peanuts out of george washington carver's sheeeeeit

 

[pumpkinator]

the day he's no longer widely called the 1st black president i'll eat the peanuts out of george washington carver's sheeeeeit

i hope you're hungry..

 

[$tinkle]

Congress overturning the fed Stem Cell Funding Restrictions

what do you know about the full affected scope & its current status? if the free market of ideas leads to prosperity in the free market proper, this would be more highly funded by private interests.

let me put it to you this way: if [embryonic - that's what's @ play here] stem cell research is the silver bullet, why aren't shovels full o' cash being cast by the likes of soros, et. al.? there's lots of other "health" causes which are widely funded, but not embryonic stem cell research. it isn't not legal, just the federal funding of further stem lines.

here, let toshi explain further: <this place reserved>

 

[4xBoy]

In the absence of "nucular"....I really hope Obama starts saying, "whole nother" or irregardless....

I wish I could axe him a question.

 

[pumpkinator]

I wish I could axe him a question.

would it be "where's my bike?" perhaps?

 

[pumpkinator]

btw, i am the most anti racist human on the face of this planet, having UNITY tattoed on the back of my left arm so that was just a humorous additive of the preminition of the ghetto fab to what was previously said, nothing more.

 

[dante]

the day he's no longer widely called the 1st black president i'll eat the peanuts out of george washington carver's sheeeeeit

I was appalled when I was overseas for election day coverage, and all that was said was "1st black president" over and over again. It must be a generational thing, since if I was asked to describe Barack, being "black" probably wouldn't even be in the top 5.

 

[Plummit]

what do you know about the full affected scope & its current status? if the free market of ideas leads to prosperity in the free market proper, this would be more highly funded by private interests.

Similar to how federal funding of NASA and military research projects have led to private sector investment. Hmmm... Wonder if the same sort of thing could come out of fed funding for stem cell research, particularly more lines of embryonic stem cells.

let me put it to you this way: if [embryonic - that's what's @ play here] stem cell research is the silver bullet, why aren't shovels full o' cash being cast by the likes of soros, et. al.? there's lots of other "health" causes which are widely funded, but not embryonic stem cell research. it isn't not legal, just the federal funding of further stem lines.

Like this

Rich Donors Help Calif. Fund Stem Cell Research

By Sonya Geis
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, December 19, 2006; Page A02

LOS ANGELES -- Two years after California voters passed a landmark $3 billion bond measure for stem cell research, not a single bond has been sold and not a penny of bond money has been spent. The fund is caught up in court challenges.

But remarkably, the private sector has stepped in to fill the gap with almost unprecedented contributions to state government.

This fall, affluent Californians gave $31 million to the state agency that doles out grants for stem cell research, allowing it to begin functioning. Private money is also building new stem cell labs on university campuses across the state. Los Angeles philanthropist Eli Broad gave $25 million to the University of Southern California for a stem cell institute, sound-technology pioneer Ray Dolby gave $16 million to the University of California at San Francisco, and local donors are contributing to a $75 million expansion at the University of California at Davis.

..................

Early this year, New York Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg quietly donated $100 million to Johns Hopkins University, largely for stem cell research. Harvard, Cornell and Columbia universities are using private money to bolster their stem cell labs. State governments in Maryland, New Jersey, Illinois, Wisconsin, Connecticut and New Mexico have also put money into stem cell research.

In California, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, eager to get the state stem cell bonds afloat, recently loaned the stem cell agency $150 million from the state's general fund that will be repaid only if the lawsuits fail. The California Institute for Regenerative Medicine will award $24 million in training grants for stem cell scientists and $80 million in research grants next year.

There have also been problems with rejection and mutations when using adult stem cells, that don't happen as frequently when using embryonic stem cells.

 

[sanjuro]

I was appalled when I was overseas for election day coverage, and all that was said was "1st black president" over and over again. It must be a generational thing, since if I was asked to describe Barack, being "black" probably wouldn't even be in the top 5.

To be honest, he has done nothing so far. He isn't President yet.

So his biggest achievement is to be the first black to be elected President, which is quite an achievement.

 

[ohio]

what do you know about the full affected scope & its current status? if the free market of ideas leads to prosperity in the free market proper, this would be more highly funded by private interests.

You can't NOT understand how this works. Quit trolling.

 

[$tinkle]

Like this

sorry, i wasn't clear:

embryonic

as in: what money has been contributed from the private sector toward embryonic to put it on par with other current "health" issues

 

[Inclag]

what do you know about the full affected scope & its current status? if the free market of ideas leads to prosperity in the free market proper, this would be more highly funded by private interests.

let me put it to you this way: if [embryonic - that's what's @ play here] stem cell research is the silver bullet, why aren't shovels full o' cash being cast by the likes of soros, et. al.? there's lots of other "health" causes which are widely funded, but not embryonic stem cell research. it isn't not legal, just the federal funding of further stem lines.

here, let toshi explain further: <this place reserved>

The free market has done a great Job with improving energy efficiency hasn't it?

The blanket statement idea that the "free market" will dictate business is complete bull. Take a look at the likes of NASA and the Government spending and contracts for the Defense Industry :cough internet: .


**EDIT

Damnit, Plummit beat me to it. Stupid having to do work and getting caught in a conversation with your boss!

 

[$tinkle]

The free market has done a great Job with improving energy efficiency hasn't it?

are you confusing the terms "federal funding" with "heavily regulated"?

 

[Plummit]

sorry, i wasn't clear:

embryonic

as in: what money has been contributed from the private sector toward embryonic to put it on par with other current "health" issues

Cain't hep you if'n you don't read: same article:

Dale Carlson, spokesman for the California Institute for Regenerative Medicine, called recent developments ironic. "The strategy of the folks that are opposing [stem cell research] -- the folks that are suing us, for example -- is to starve the research for stem cells, especially human embryonic stem cells. Instead, the amount of private money that's going into stem cell research is breathtaking," he said.

 

[$tinkle]

before, during, & after reading, i'm just not seeing where cash is being directly funneled into embryonic-specific r&d.

are you asserting it does? and in significant numbers?

all i'm seeing you write, fwd, or post is that private money is going in, but i'm not seeing any kind of breakout that would appease my inner accountant.

my point is fiscally based, not socially.

 

[ohio]

before, during, & after reading, i'm just not seeing where cash is being directly funneled into embryonic-specific r&d.

But private money flowing into embryonic stem research would reinforce your point by proving that government funding isn't necessary.

 

[$tinkle]

But private money flowing into embryonic stem research would reinforce your point by proving that government funding isn't necessary.

well look at the big brain on brad*



*or chet, or bret; depending on which script you read

 

[Inclag]

are you confusing the terms "federal funding" with "heavily regulated"?

Nope.

Sorry, I just wrote a statement that was a little off/tangent to the topic with no elaboration (I do find it is ironic that you of all people called me out for it). It just blows my mind that there isn't a large push to improve existing technology efficiencies. Before we do such drastic measures as completely overhauling our infrastructure (which I'm not against). I'm talking about simple things like painting walls white.

Anyway, bravo for missing the point though.

 

[stevew]

In the absence of "nucular"....I really hope Obama starts saying, "whole nother" or irregardless....

I hope he actually talks like

at his first state of the union speech.

first fifty seconds...

 

[dhbuilder]

I am expecting/hoping that the general attitude of the US as a nation will change for the better.

you mean like turning into a bunch of sniveling socialist euro types ??

i wouldn't start holding my breath just yet.

i'd hate for ya' to turn blue and pass out while you're standing there with your camera waiting to take a picture of the "change".

 

[ohio]

well look at the big brain on brad*



*or chet, or bret; depending on which script you read

Quit being such a ****ing retard. We all know that you know how R&D works and the role that governments and not-for-profit institutions play in the cycle of innovation and technology.

 

[dhbuilder]

oh these next four years are going to be fun to observe.

that is unless you find yourself on one of those road construction crews that he's going to form in order to get the economy back on its feet.

 

[ohio]

you mean like turning into a bunch of sniveling socialist euro types ??

How's your stockpile coming along?

 

[Transcend]

He's got all the ammo he needs to shoot himself in the foot.

 

[RenegadeRick]

I think Obama will continue the imperial conquest. More troops in Iraq, more troops in Afghanistan, troops in Pakistan, and probably an eventual full out war in Iran. He is merely a puppet, things are going to get much worse and he is going to help it happen for the benefit of those who profit on it.

Yep, as you kids expected, this is what I think will happen...

I think the next 4 years will make what Bush has done look like a joke.

However, with all this HOPE I have lying around that Obama gave me, I can be hopeful and delude myself that this won't come true.

...let’s keep in mind that we are dealing with a pres. elect that will be pushing hard on the NAFTA agenda, what do you think picks like Rhambo are all about. Furthermore, we have a pres. elect who is in full support of the Zionist/AIPAC movement, 30billion to isreal over the next ten years...

yep, yep

I predict that there's going to be some seriously disappointed Obama fans over the next four years. Fans that should have put their tireless efforts into someone like Ron...

yep again.


Most importantly, I "HOPE" "CHANGE" is coming to Americans™ who are drunk and not wearing pants.

 

[Plummit]

before, during, & after reading, i'm just not seeing where cash is being directly funneled into embryonic-specific r&d.

are you asserting it does? and in significant numbers?

all i'm seeing you write, fwd, or post is that private money is going in, but i'm not seeing any kind of breakout that would appease my inner accountant.

my point is fiscally based, not socially.

LOL... Of course a significant portion of the monies go to embryonic stem cell research, but, by all means, continue to bury your head in the sand if you so desire...

 

[$tinkle]

LOL... Of course a significant portion of the monies go to embryonic stem cell research, but, by all means, continue to bury your head in the sand if you so desire...

how much?

 

[dante]

you mean like turning into a bunch of sniveling socialist euro types ??

what do you mean "turn into"? you realize we have government ownership (ie, SOCIALISM) of more companies now than probably at any point in history, right? you know that socialism doesn't just refer to higher taxes, no matter what Limbaugh & Co say. With the government (thanks GWB!!) owning a majority stake in AIG, Fannie, Freddie, etc, and huge portions of pretty much every financial company out there, we're farther down the road to socialism than anything Obama could do. Now we have government stakes in both GM and Chysler, and next up will be who knows what, socialism is already here.

 

[Plummit]

how much?

Get out your calculator: you could ask the good folks at Geron (ticker: gern). Or : You'll love that Blago's involved:

Setting aside commercial efforts like those of the California biotech company Geron, consider a few examples of private funding for academic stem-cell research. The Starr Foundation is providing $50 million over three years for human embryonic stem-cell research at three New York City medical institutions, including the Sloan-Kettering Memorial Cancer Center. Weill Cornell Medical College, also in New York City, has established the Ansary Center for Stem Cell Therapeutics with a $15 million grant from philanthropists Shahla and Hushang Ansary.

In California, UCLA has established an Institute for Stem Cell Biology and Medicine with $20 million in funding over the next five years. Stanford University created the Institute for Cancer/Stem Cell Biology and Medicine, with a goal of $120 million in funding. An anonymous donor gave Johns Hopkins University a $58.5 million gift to launch an Institute for Cell Engineering. The University of Minnesota has set up a Stem Cell Institute with a $15 million capital grant. A grateful patient pledged $25 million over the next 10 years to finance stem-cell research at the University of Texas Health Science Center in Houston.

States are also pouring money into stem-cell research. Last November, California voters passed a $3 billion initiative to create a California Institute of Regenerative Medicine that aims to fund stem-cell research at $300 million annually for the next 10 years. New Jersey has allocated $150 million to construct a new stem-cell research center. Connecticut passed legislation authorizing $100 million in spending on both adult and embryonic stem-cell research over the next 10 years. Illinois's governor, Rod Blagojevich, moved $10 million of state public health research funding to establish a new stem-cell research institute called the Illinois Regenerative Medicine Institute.

 

[ohio]

Get out your calculator:

I think it's critical to point out that the majority of this money is not "investment" but "donation." For the most part, these entities are not expecting to make a direct return. This is not the free market at work. This is several charitable organizations stepping in to make sure that we maintain a biotech industry and don't lose our talent to more progressive/aggressive nations.

 

[jimmydean]

To think he can do more harm than Bush is funny. ANYTHING is an improvement over the last 8 years.

 

[$tinkle]

I think it's critical to point out that the majority of this money is not "investment" but "donation." For the most part, these entities are not expecting to make a direct return. This is not the free market at work. This is several charitable organizations stepping in to make sure that we maintain a biotech industry and don't lose our talent to more progressive/aggressive nations.

then why don't they pursue a less controversial path:

While there is still much research to be done, "multi&#8211;potent adult progenitor cells" (MAPCs) appear to be versatile, that is, capable of transforming into different types of tissues. (In a culture dish, the cells can be coaxed into becoming muscle, cartilage, bone, liver, or different types of neurons in the brain.) They are also malleable, meaning they can do so relatively easily. They also exhibit the "immortality" valued in embryonic cells, that is to say, they seem capable of being transformed into cell lines that can be maintained indefinitely. At the same time, these adult cells do not appear to present the acute danger associated with embryonic stem cells: the tendency to grow uncontrollably causing tumors or even cancers.

buncha fundies

point is, i'm not seeing that embryonic stem cells are viewed as a silver bullet any longer.

and my hope (i don't have expectations) is that we'll make medical advances that maintain the dignity of human life. i don't see embryonic stem cell research as being crucial to this end.

and now i have work to do.



no, really, i have to go to work now.