N. Korea setting off nukes?
- Thread starter Changleen
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Good links though...
Some more:
US 'unnamed official' says it's not a nuke:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/09/12/nkorea.blast/
Reuters has a more comprehensive story:
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=581630§ion=news
CNN once again leading with a headline which is probably bull****, just because someone at the White House said it was so, flying in the face of the limited availible intelligence. Gotta love the US media, and the White House press office. Reputable sources of information if ever I saw them.
US 'unnamed official' says it's not a nuke:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/09/12/nkorea.blast/
Hmm, but in an earlier report we read that:
Ever seen a forest fire leave a crater? Plus, nearly all the news sources are reporting it as an 'explosion' - not a fire. Even in the CNN report they refer to the incident as an explosion further down.
Reuters has a more comprehensive story:
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=581630§ion=news
CNN once again leading with a headline which is probably bull****, just because someone at the White House said it was so, flying in the face of the limited availible intelligence. Gotta love the US media, and the White House press office. Reputable sources of information if ever I saw them.
Actually, I just want to rag on CNN a bit more here - try and expose the BS machine that it is:
Despite all the other news sources, and themselves refering to the incident as an explosion, this is CNN's headline and header for their article:
1) No mention of the actual source of the news
2) The incident is now a 'cloud' appearing, not a mushroom cloud or an explosion.
The headline and the header piece both ignore the main facts of the actual story and are worded in such a way to reinforce what the US official said about the situation.
Secondly as we progress into the body of the article, we can also see further examples of shody journalism:
We are then actually treated to part of the actual news, after having been told of the official analysis:
The US official line is presented on it's own as such:
The need for an explanation of the crater is avoided, because it was not reported.
South Korea's Unification minister is then quoted as saying:
Secondly, I googled for the phrase 'I have no information about the size of the damage of the explosion' in the google news section (where this story is currently the top story) and CNN is THE ONLY HIT for this phrase. I'm not saying it's definatly BS, but if you google for the phrase 'The damage and crater left by the explosion in Kim Hyong Jik county was big enough to be noticed by a satellite' you get 68 hits. Hmm, I smell BS.
I would go on, but I have work to do. I'll leave you with that for now - This is par for the course for CNN and most of the major US news outlets - What I have shown above is misrepresentation and selective use of facts at best, and outright lies at worst. This is what the US public are subjected to day after day. And as for the question I know is on your lips: 'Why would they do this? - Why lie about this?' - Simple. The US right now is in no position to make further aggresive representations to NK. Firstly because if the public thought NK had set off a nuke (not saying they have) then they would demand GW take his normal tough line. Secondly, the US and several other countries are trying to negotiate with NK about it's nuclear policy, and the official story in the US at least is that NK doesn't have nukes yet. US inteligence can't be wrong again! It would also obviously put rather a large spanner in the negotiations. For all these reasons it's much easier just for there to be a forest fire, and for everyone to just ignore the inconvenient truths.
Finally I just though of this - I had a look at the weather in NK, and although there in no History availible for the nothern provinces (Sinuiju is the nearest large town as far as I can figure) - it's raining this week, and is forecast rain on and off for the entire forecast duration. Forest fire eh?
Despite all the other news sources, and themselves refering to the incident as an explosion, this is CNN's headline and header for their article:
OK, So:
1) No mention of the actual source of the news
2) The incident is now a 'cloud' appearing, not a mushroom cloud or an explosion.
The headline and the header piece both ignore the main facts of the actual story and are worded in such a way to reinforce what the US official said about the situation.
Secondly as we progress into the body of the article, we can also see further examples of shody journalism:
We are then actually treated to part of the actual news, after having been told of the official analysis:
Again, no mention that a crater was also observed.
The US official line is presented on it's own as such:
There is zero analysis of this statement by the reporters, such as: How would a forest fire produce a mushroom cloud? If it was a forest fire is it still burning and presumably a longer term phenomena than the cloud from a blast?
The need for an explanation of the crater is avoided, because it was not reported.
South Korea's Unification minister is then quoted as saying:
Hmm, now are CNN just really pathetically crap at their jobs or are they purposefully misreprenting this, widely quoted in other sources:
Bit different to 'no information about the size of the damage' eh?
Secondly, I googled for the phrase 'I have no information about the size of the damage of the explosion' in the google news section (where this story is currently the top story) and CNN is THE ONLY HIT for this phrase. I'm not saying it's definatly BS, but if you google for the phrase 'The damage and crater left by the explosion in Kim Hyong Jik county was big enough to be noticed by a satellite' you get 68 hits. Hmm, I smell BS.
I would go on, but I have work to do. I'll leave you with that for now - This is par for the course for CNN and most of the major US news outlets - What I have shown above is misrepresentation and selective use of facts at best, and outright lies at worst. This is what the US public are subjected to day after day. And as for the question I know is on your lips: 'Why would they do this? - Why lie about this?' - Simple. The US right now is in no position to make further aggresive representations to NK. Firstly because if the public thought NK had set off a nuke (not saying they have) then they would demand GW take his normal tough line. Secondly, the US and several other countries are trying to negotiate with NK about it's nuclear policy, and the official story in the US at least is that NK doesn't have nukes yet. US inteligence can't be wrong again! It would also obviously put rather a large spanner in the negotiations. For all these reasons it's much easier just for there to be a forest fire, and for everyone to just ignore the inconvenient truths.
Finally I just though of this - I had a look at the weather in NK, and although there in no History availible for the nothern provinces (Sinuiju is the nearest large town as far as I can figure) - it's raining this week, and is forecast rain on and off for the entire forecast duration. Forest fire eh?
Local reporting: http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200409/200409120026.html
Not a nuke, not a forest fire. Still, it's just another official who is eqaually likely to be as full as BS as his US counterpart.