[sanjuro]

exactly...

I don’t want to bust any Obama bubbles hear, but judging from the history of who has backed or endorsed him combined with his most recent poor decisions (bail-out support/ revitalize the war on terror/ invade afghan/ condemn Russia/ choose a crusty hack like Biden/ etc.), it seems to me that Obama will be very much for the advancement of the elitist agenda, and therefore leave him selling out his own kind and millions more. =Uncle Tom

Try to use smaller words, please. How about calling Obama uppity?

 

[3D.]

I wouldn't want to dumb down something that is a monument to complexity

 

[Samirol]

Nobody who knows **** about politics voted for Barack Obama to take on large corporations. He is a candidate running for office that stands a chance at winning, of course he isn't going to ruffle any feathers.

I'm pretty sure that we are in Afghanistan with their government's approval, so it isn't an invasion from a legal standpoint. Barack Obama is an American politician, of course he is a corporate lackey, the thing is that he isn't a neocon.

People that wanted a candidate to take on corporations voted Green or SPUSA, not Democratic.

Obama wants to be another centrist president like Clinton, what he is doing is perfectly in line with his goals.

 

[BurlyShirley]

exactly...

I don’t want to bust any Obama bubbles hear, but judging from the history of who has backed or endorsed him combined with his most recent poor decisions (bail-out support/ revitalize the war on terror/ invade afghan/ condemn Russia/ choose a crusty hack like Biden/ etc.), it seems to me that Obama will be very much for the advancement of the elitist agenda, and therefore leave him selling out his own kind and millions more. =Uncle Tom

I thought he was a socialist?

 

[3D.]

it's all about crowd control, socialists have it dialed:biggrin:

 

[Samirol]

it's all about crowd control, socialists have it dialed:biggrin:

Obama is only socialist if you don't know what socialism is. He will be very Clinton-esque in his presidency. He will probably **** over the poorest people and make everyone in the middle slightly better off, and the richest will be doing fantastically.

 

[Defenestrated]

no socialist would support the bailout as it were

 

[3D.]

it's all about crowd control, socialists have it dialed:biggrin:

First of all, that was a joke… I personally don’t think you will ever see a socialist society out of an Obama admin.

Shouldn’t be news for anyone, especially if you voted Obama, but here’s your new asshat in a very powerful position, this will be quite the administration (don‘t go back to sleep yet):

http://www.alternet.org/election08/106189/is_obama_screwing_his_base_with_rahm_emanuel_selection/


Not taking on the corporations is exactly what you’re getting, but for the people who really “know sh!t”, that’s just what you were in favor of… right?

Your honorable new chief of staffs is added to the list of associates that seem contrary to what Obama has spoken for. People will try to rationalize the future poor choices he makes, just like everyone did with the Biden choice.

Hey, I can’t tell you how much I want to believe in what has taken place, but I just can’t. This type of puppetiering has been going on for thousands of years and this is looking like a classic example.

But wait, surrounding yourself with people like Rahm, Zbig, and a portion of the deplorable Clinton administration is all good… he’s Obama, he would never go against the people, it’s all just part of his strategy to achieve what is right for us and the world.:biggrin:

 

[Samirol]

I don't think a lot of the diehard supporters that you are addressing post here, it is pretty much socialists, moderate republicans, and libertarians.

It is pretty bad that I've lost the ability to tell when someone is addressing Obama as socialist, because of all the Hitler youth that post for a week then leave.

 

[Skookum]

Being a third-party candidate prior to building an effective third party is failure from the start. Nader is an ass and his effect has been destructive.

i will certainly agree with your first comment. All in all i hope he continues to advocate for the American people. i favor the elimination of the 2 party monopolized system.

 

[sanjuro]

First of all, that was a joke… I personally don’t think you will ever see a socialist society out of an Obama admin.

Shouldn’t be news for anyone, especially if you voted Obama, but here’s your new asshat in a very powerful position, this will be quite the administration (don‘t go back to sleep yet):

http://www.alternet.org/election08/106189/is_obama_screwing_his_base_with_rahm_emanuel_selection/


Not taking on the corporations is exactly what you’re getting, but for the people who really “know sh!t”, that’s just what you were in favor of… right?

Your honorable new chief of staffs is added to the list of associates that seem contrary to what Obama has spoken for. People will try to rationalize the future poor choices he makes, just like everyone did with the Biden choice.

Hey, I can’t tell you how much I want to believe in what has taken place, but I just can’t. This type of puppetiering has been going on for thousands of years and this is looking like a classic example.

But wait, surrounding yourself with people like Rahm, Zbig, and a portion of the deplorable Clinton administration is all good… he’s Obama, he would never go against the people, it’s all just part of his strategy to achieve what is right for us and the world.:biggrin:

Thanks for telling me what to think.

I like that "Emanuel has promoted pro-war and pro-business center-right candidates against anti-war and pro-labor candidates in the primaries". I don't think we should hand the keys to Iraq over to Ahmadinejad just yet, and I wasn't going to support increasing the welfare rolls until the second term.

I actually voted with character, not position, in mind. Emanuel seems like a tough bastard who is looking for good people to work with him.

Sorry if he is not socialist or hawkish enough for you.

 

[3D.]

Thanks for telling me what to think.

I like that "Emanuel has promoted pro-war and pro-business center-right candidates against anti-war and pro-labor candidates in the primaries". I don't think we should hand the keys to Iraq over to Ahmadinejad just yet, and I wasn't going to support increasing the welfare rolls until the second term.

I actually voted with character, not position, in mind. Emanuel seems like a tough bastard who is looking for good people to work with him.

Sorry if he is not socialist or hawkish enough for you.

when he builds up his financial team with heads like Paul Volker, Larry Summers, and Jon Corzine, you can then say; “I’m glad he's reconstructing our financial future with some of the same guys that caused it’s demise, I don‘t think the people should have their wealth handed back just yet”.

 

[Defenestrated]

I'm really hoping that Obama doesn't turn out to be a sucker of the corporate cock (metaphorically speaking of course)...

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/11/back-to-the-economy.html

Highlights:

Helping to pay these awards was not supposed to be part of the bailout plan. On the contrary, when the Senate, including Obama, approved the $700 billion package in October, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson called this package one that would loosen the credit markets. The idea was that banks would start lending to each other again, as well as to citizens and small businesses.

That hasn't happened, which is why it's particularly offensive that this no-strings-attached money is going to line the pockets of the biggest executives on Wall Street. Goldman Sachs, the country's top investment bank (which since September 21 calls itself a bank holding company), set aside $11.4 billion during the first nine months of this year to cover bonus payments for its 443 senior partners and other employees. That's one-third less than last year's amount, but only slightly more than the firm's $10 billion US government gift. Economic woes notwithstanding, those partners are still expected to make at least $5 million each. While Wall Street may not believe in higher taxes for the richest citizens, it does believe in higher bonuses for top executives. The bulk of bonus money on Wall Street concentrates there, after ferocious internal discussions about how much each person's contribution to the firm is worth, no matter what the market conditions are on the outside. Trust me, I witnessed too many of these during my time on Wall Street. They are exercises in pure, unadulterated whines of entitlement.

Goldman's CEO, Lloyd C. Blankfein, bagged a record bonus last year of $67.9 million, including $26.8 million in cash. That amount was nearly double the $38 million that Hank Paulson made at the firm in 2005, the year before he became the treasury secretary, a post for which he received unanimous approval from the Senate in 2006.

Last year, when the financial crisis was just in brewing mode, the top five investment banks paid themselves $39 billion in compensation and bonuses, up 6 percent from 2006. Two of those firms, Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers, went bankrupt this year. Bank of America is acquiring a third, Merrill Lynch. The remaining two, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs, have seen their stock values plummet more than 60 percent.

Yet that didn't stop their election money from pouring out. Goldman was Obama's largest corporate campaign contributor, with $874,207. Also in the Obama top 20 were three other recipients of bailout capital injections: JPM, Citigroup, and Morgan Stanley. In the spirit of not sacrificing Main Street for Wall Street, this shouldn't matter.

Privatize the profits, and socialize the losses.

Disgusting.

 

[3D.]

Helping to pay these awards was not supposed to be part of the bailout plan. On the contrary, when the Senate, including Obama, approved the $700 billion package in October, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson called this package one that would loosen the credit markets. The idea was that banks would start lending to each other again, as well as to citizens and small businesses.

To be used for freeing up credit markets… for the people, right?

WASHINGTON – President-elect Obama suggested to President Bush that the administration immediately help struggling U.S. automakers, aides to the Democrat say, in the first face-to-face meeting the pair had since Obama's election victory.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081111/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_obama;_ylt=AivtmBzRCrpb7tmd.1DtNnys0NUE

With dozens of failing issues that need to be discussed and acted on, immediately, his first sit down with W is to ask him for money for the auto industry. These companies have been ripping the world off with inefficient, resource depriving, pieces of sh!t for how many years? And now, it seems that saving them and reversing Bush’s executive rules on drilling are top priority?

At this point, I think designing and marketing an Obama puppet doll for home use could be a lucrative venture, for it will become the popular theme...

 

[$tinkle]

I'm really hoping that Obama doesn't turn out to be a sucker of the corporate cock (metaphorically speaking of course)...

like silver has pointed out: homosexual out of necessity, not out of desire

Privatize the profits, and socialize the losses.

Disgusting.

i'm nonplussed; i thought he would be different

not that anyone should be surprised, but to turn an aircraft carrier around takes quite a bit of water; can't just pull teh e-brake & counter-steer

 

[johnbryanpeters]

...to turn an aircraft carrier around takes quite a bit of water; can't just pull teh e-brake & counter-steer

What we can hope for, but are not guaranteed, is an administration that will deal with the real world in a pragmatic fashion and avoid the wearing of ideological blinders.

Barack & Co. will do some things right and will screw some things up, just like any other crew. I personally believe that they'll do a lot better that the outgoing bunch; time will tell.

In the meantime, it's pretty futile arguing about guesswork regarding the future.

Skooks, I would be all for more parties if we could avoid the spoiler vote issue.