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dw

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planned for 10:39 AM (EST) today. I always thought it was a pretty exciting thing. Thought I would share. Should be on a lot of TV networks worldwide.

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dhtahoe

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NASA=Need Another Seven Astronauts. Glad to see they got that outdated piece of crap in the air again. One of the guy I work in aviation used to be on the shuttle assembly crew. Some of his stories of that thing would make me NEVER want to fly in it. The best one is when they did the first launch ever. They had the area littered with snipers for security reasons. Two died because of the shockwave the SRB (solid rocket boosters) stopped there hearts. ALL THE others got second degree burns. They were also 3 miles away. I guess they forgot to research that part.
 

dhtahoe

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Went and saw a night launch back when I was in flight school in 93. Night became day!!!!! And the closest you could get was 15 miles away, but very impressive.
 

Zutroy

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dhtahoe said:
Went and saw a night launch back when I was in flight school in 93. Night became day!!!!! And the closest you could get was 15 miles away, but very impressive.

It's hella impressive 5 miles back in the NASA/VIP area. The NASA guys that was nothing compared to the Saturn V on the moon shots.
 

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dw said:
planned for 10:39 AM (EST) today. I always thought it was a pretty exciting thing. Thought I would share. Should be on a lot of TV networks worldwide.

dw
I remember skipping school to smoke some dope and watching that one explode on take-off way back when. What a downer.
 

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dhtahoe said:
The best one is when they did the first launch ever. They had the area littered with snipers for security reasons. Two died because of the shockwave the SRB (solid rocket boosters) stopped there hearts. ALL THE others got second degree burns. They were also 3 miles away. I guess they forgot to research that part.

You actually have to be kidding, right? You don't work on commercial airplanes do you?
 

blt2ride

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dhtahoe said:
NASA=Need Another Seven Astronauts. Glad to see they got that outdated piece of crap in the air again. One of the guy I work in aviation used to be on the shuttle assembly crew. Some of his stories of that thing would make me NEVER want to fly in it. The best one is when they did the first launch ever. They had the area littered with snipers for security reasons. Two died because of the shockwave the SRB (solid rocket boosters) stopped there hearts. ALL THE others got second degree burns. They were also 3 miles away. I guess they forgot to research that part.
I think I was about 9 years old the first time I heard the "need another seven astronauts" joke (after the Challenger explosion). Anyway, it sucked then and it sucks now...
 

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DRB said:
You actually have to be kidding, right? You don't work on commercial airplanes do you?
No I am Jr. Crew Chief on Rare Bear a 1945 Grumman F8F-2 Bearcat modified for racing. Basicly I restore WWII fighter planes, but got this job because I have alot of piston engine knowledge. Most of the mechanics coming out of school only learn jets. Old round motor(radial) mechanics are getting harder to find because they are getting to be 70-80 years old now. I AM the yougest guy in the hanger by almost 30 years. www.rarebear.com.

That is why I quit racing DH. This came along a few months ago, and I just had to press on with life outside of bikes.
 

dhtahoe

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blt2ride said:
I think I was about 9 years old the first time I heard the "need another seven astronauts" joke (after the Challenger explosion). Anyway, it sucked then and it sucks now...
And the sandy clit award of the day goes to. Damn dude you have no sense of humor. This is twice today you have flamed a joke. Take a toke and chill!!!
 

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trailhacker said:
I remember skipping school to smoke some dope and watching that one explode on take-off way back when. What a downer.

I think one of the stoners in my 4th grade class did the same... that wasnt you was it??? hahahah... (not to make light of the explosion, since someone will wish me ill for laughing there..., i was laughing at the stoner crossover....Mmmmkay?)
 

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dhtahoe said:
And the sandy clit award of the day goes to. Damn dude you have no sense of humor. This is twice today you have flamed a joke. Take a toke and chill!!!
Believe it or not, I have a pretty good sense of humor. I'm kind of surprised that someone who works with airplanes would make light of a shuttle crash. It's not like I was offended or anything, I'm sure I laughed at that joke...20 years ago! :D
 

Zutroy

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dhtahoe said:
No I am Jr. Crew Chief on Rare Bear a 1945 Grumman F8F-2 Bearcat modified for racing. Basicly I restore WWII fighter planes, but got this job because I have alot of piston engine knowledge. Most of the mechanics coming out of school only learn jets. Old round motor(radial) mechanics are getting harder to find because they are getting to be 70-80 years old now. I AM the yougest guy in the hanger by almost 30 years. www.rarebear.com.

That is why I quit racing DH. This came along a few months ago, and I just had to press on with life outside of bikes.

Sweet, that plane rocks. Those things can climb like a moofoo. Didn't one have the sea level to 10,000 record for like 30 years, till an F-16 broke it?
 

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Does anyone else but me think this is the biggest waste of money in the entire world. How many problems do we have here on earth? Pollution, hunger, poverty, etc. What do we need, right now, that's out there? I understand that they are doing tests and stuff that do help us in one way or another, but things like Mars, landing on the moon, wtf??? why??? Just think of the billions of dollars spent on that stuff that could have been used in places like Sudan, Iraq, and the United States, where governments have run rampant and problems are aplenty.
 

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dhtahoe said:
No I am Jr. Crew Chief on Rare Bear a 1945 Grumman F8F-2 Bearcat modified for racing. Basicly I restore WWII fighter planes, but got this job because I have alot of piston engine knowledge. Most of the mechanics coming out of school only learn jets. Old round motor(radial) mechanics are getting harder to find because they are getting to be 70-80 years old now. I AM the yougest guy in the hanger by almost 30 years. www.rarebear.com.

That is why I quit racing DH. This came along a few months ago, and I just had to press on with life outside of bikes.
So you do realize what a crock of sh!t the whole dead sniper thing is don't you?
 

Zutroy

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DRB said:
Saying I said dead snipers, I thought it was relatively obvious.

It's possible, NASA doesn't talk to much about accidents with ground crews. I've never heard the story, but i do know there are snipers around the launch area as well as more security than the president has on launch days. But' i've never heard of it before, but then again i doubt NASA would bring it up either.
 

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Zutroy said:
Sweet, that plane rocks. Those things can climb like a moofoo. Didn't one have the sea level to 10,000 record for like 30 years, till an F-16 broke it?
Yeah it was the plane I am now working on, but the record still stands because there are two records. One for propeller driven aircraft, and one for turbines. And Zutroy I'm pretty sure the sniper thing really happened. The guy I work with has all kinds of lost rockets, training accidents. NASA failures only make the media when there are tons of camaras and something explodes. The others just get swept under the rug. They had a solid rocket booster ignite IN THE ASSEMBLY BUILDING. Never heard of that one either, but he had pics of it all and it was a mess. That building is sooooooo huge he showed me a pic of a thunderstorm inside the building. Lightning and all!!!
 

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PooMan said:
Does anyone else but me think this is the biggest waste of money in the entire world. How many problems do we have here on earth? Pollution, hunger, poverty, etc.
i totally agree...

it was very impressive to watch on tv, but thats all....
 

Zutroy

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PooMan said:
Does anyone else but me think this is the biggest waste of money in the entire world. How many problems do we have here on earth? Pollution, hunger, poverty, etc. What do we need, right now, that's out there? I understand that they are doing tests and stuff that do help us in one way or another, but things like Mars, landing on the moon, wtf??? why??? Just think of the billions of dollars spent on that stuff that could have been used in places like Sudan, Iraq, and the United States, where governments have run rampant and problems are aplenty.

You'd be supprised how little thye spend compared to alot of other government projects.
 

JTVW

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Zutroy said:
You'd be supprised how little thye spend compared to alot of other government projects.
You'd be surprised at how much food that "little" amount would supply the thousands and thousands of poverty stricken people in your own country, too.
 

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PooMan said:
You'd be surprised at how much food that "little" amount would supply the thousands and thousands of poverty stricken people in your own country, too.
As woudl the welfare money that goes to deadbeats that don't deserve it. Try cleaning up programs already in place rather than stealing from other also important programs, to fund new ones.
 

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Transcend said:
As woudl the welfare money that goes to deadbeats that don't deserve it. Try cleaning up programs already in place rather than stealing from other also important programs, to fund new ones.
I made no mention of welfare or any other government run, service programs in my previous posts. That is a different subject entirely. We could go on and on about how our programs are run, but that has little to do with money. My point was simply that there are better uses for the large amount of money being placed in NASA's hands. Again, I know there are things that NASA's doing that is beneficial to us (like all science), but I think people should take a step back and look at the larger picture, and say, okay, what exactly is the best way we can spend this money. I personally believe that, considering how many problems we have on this planet, we shouldn't be wasting our time with space, or rather, as much as our time.
My previous post, the one Transcend quoted, was simply to put in perspective how even a "little" money, can make a difference, depending of course on what you spend it on. If what you are spending it on is million dollar equipment, then I guess millions of dollars wont go so far. If what you're spending it on is, for example, aid to other countries, well, then, I'm sure they would be quite happy with a million dollars (really a fraction of what is spent on space programs).
 

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PooMan said:
I made no mention of welfare or any other government run, service programs in my previous posts. That is a different subject entirely. We could go on and on about how our programs are run, but that has little to do with money. My point was simply that there are better uses for the large amount of money being placed in NASA's hands. Again, I know there are things that NASA's doing that is beneficial to us (like all science), but I think people should take a step back and look at the larger picture, and say, okay, what exactly is the best way we can spend this money. I personally believe that, considering how many problems we have on this planet, we shouldn't be wasting our time with space, or rather, as much as our time.
My previous post, the one Transcend quoted, was simply to put in perspective how even a "little" money, can make a difference, depending of course on what you spend it on. If what you are spending it on is million dollar equipment, then I guess millions of dollars wont go so far. If what you're spending it on is, for example, aid to other countries, well, then, I'm sure they would be quite happy with a million dollars (really a fraction of what is spent on space programs).

The Fault in your logic is that we're not just sending things up to space for the fun of it. We're doing research to cure diseases, understand the human body better and develop new techologies that help people in the long run. It's no different than the CDC, or NIH doing research. If you want to complain about things check out the DODs budget, we're spending Billions on new weapons systems that have no purpose or don't work worth a darn(check out the great new Stryker Vehicle if you want to great example). The 14 Billion or so is nothing compared to the 400Bil a year the DOD spends, on top of the 180 some odd Billion we've spent blowing up another country.
 

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dhtahoe said:
The best one is when they did the first launch ever. They had the area littered with snipers for security reasons. Two died because of the shockwave the SRB (solid rocket boosters) stopped there hearts. ALL THE others got second degree burns. They were also 3 miles away. I guess they forgot to research that part.
Did you read this on the internet?

I seriously doubt nasa placed snipers (in itself pretty crazy) close enough to the shuttle to be killed by the shockwave, it's not like nasa had never send anything into space before. I think the toxic gases would prevent a far greater danger at a range close enough to get "burns". Sounds like an urban myth.

Nasa also doesn't have a history of covering up mistakes and misfortunes, like the russian program did.

DHtahoe, maybe you had a "friend" at nasa, and no one can doubt that, but it really puts things like this in contex when you finally meet one of these people that "makes up things" and tells them to everyone. Some of them are believable, and some are not. I've had the displeasure of experiencing these kinds of people in a few different walks of life now. I'm sure there's some things that have been swept under the rug, but I'm sure there weren't snipers out there or snipers killed that we don't know about.
 

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PooMan said:
Does anyone else but me think this is the biggest waste of money in the entire world. How many problems do we have here on earth? Pollution, hunger, poverty, etc. What do we need, right now, that's out there? I understand that they are doing tests and stuff that do help us in one way or another, but things like Mars, landing on the moon, wtf??? why??? Just think of the billions of dollars spent on that stuff that could have been used in places like Sudan, Iraq, and the United States, where governments have run rampant and problems are aplenty.
The whole point is to develop new technologies and processes. The space shuttle has been using fuel cells for a long time now, fuel cells just didn't show up, nasa has been working with them for a while. They aren't some "perfect answer" for our problems, but they are important and worth researching. That is just one tiny part of what they do and what they've discovered. If you want quality of life improved, want to decrease hunger and poverty, this is one way it's going to happen. Invent new technology, learn how to make it cheaper, and eventually it benefits the whole of our society. There's huge obstacles to overcome to get to mars, and many of these might benefit our daily lives.

If you really want to help with the worlds problems, you need to not procreate, that is what's eating up resources, decreasing our freedom, and causing our society to decay.
 

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Jm_ said:
I'm sure there's some things that have been swept under the rug, but I'm sure there weren't snipers out there or snipers killed that we don't know about.

Actually I can vouch there are snipers out there as well as an armed escorts for the entire trip from the prep room were they suit up to the launch pad elevator. There are also helo gunships in the air with armed units, and a rapid intervention team in case of an armed attack on the launch site. And we're not talking Barny Fife cops here, SWAT and Couterassult trained guys Nasa is very paranoid about security, and lets not forget they do take up payloads they don't like to talk about. Since 9/11 they have really beefed it up. Fighters are in the air AWACS keeping track of airtraffic in the area. They look at the shuttle as a symbol of america and a likely target for attack even before 9/11 they had this view.


Like i siad earlier I've never heard of an accident like that on a launch but then again i don't ever remember hearing about any of the other ground accidents they've had were ground crew have died.
 

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The Fault in your logic is that we're not just sending things up to space for the fun of it.
Did you guys even read my posts?
(quoting myself)
PooMan said:
...Again, I know there are things that NASA's doing that is beneficial to us (like all science)...

we're spending Billions on new weapons systems that have no purpose or don't work worth a darn
And again, I'm not talking about the military and weapons systems and all other things that we as humans are doing wrong, again, a whole other bag of worms...
 
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dhtahoe said:
No I am Jr. Crew Chief on Rare Bear a 1945 Grumman F8F-2 Bearcat modified for racing. Basicly I restore WWII fighter planes, but got this job because I have alot of piston engine knowledge. Most of the mechanics coming out of school only learn jets. Old round motor(radial) mechanics are getting harder to find because they are getting to be 70-80 years old now. I AM the yougest guy in the hanger by almost 30 years. www.rarebear.com.

That is why I quit racing DH. This came along a few months ago, and I just had to press on with life outside of bikes.
Cool. If you ever have one of those two-seater P-51s they used for training and feel like giving a kid in Utah a ride just for kicks . . . :D
 

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PooMan said:
Does anyone else but me think this is the biggest waste of money in the entire world. How many problems do we have here on earth? Pollution, hunger, poverty, etc. What do we need, right now, that's out there? I understand that they are doing tests and stuff that do help us in one way or another, but things like Mars, landing on the moon, wtf??? why??? Just think of the billions of dollars spent on that stuff that could have been used in places like Sudan, Iraq, and the United States, where governments have run rampant and problems are aplenty.
Yeah, why would the US ever want to strive to stay on the cutting edge of technology? What would THAT ever do for the economy, other than naturally reverse the ever quickening trend of outsourcing, dropping dollar value, and disappearing middle class?

And gosh, it would be really awful if we actually inspired a future generation of children to value education, aim to push the limits of human knowledge, and pursue careers in science and technology.