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Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by Grizzle, Sep 24, 2005.

  1. Grizzle

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    OK, so here is the deal. After cruising the MTBR reviews of damn near every brake system listed, i still cannot decide what to go with. My current brakes are hayes HFX9-HD's. I like that they are powerful, and a very simple, reliable design, they never overheat. What i do not like is that the modulation is very lacking. Its pretty much either locked up, on pretty hard, or off.

    What i am looking for in a brake system is more modulation control, so i can do a nose manual without eating crap every time i get up a ways. Its just not happening with the hayes. I would go with the hope M6's, or the saint, but i see alot of reviews saying that they get inconsistent performance. I do not want a brake that will crap out on me on a steep downhill when i need it most. If this means staying with the hayes, so be it.

    I would just like opinions from people of what they think of their brake systems, pluses and minuses. Im going to be using it for FR/DH. Thanks, Grizzle.
     

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  2. SXtrailrider

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    id on't know what u are talking about the hopes work every time
     
  3. Grizzle

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    What im saying is that in reading the MTBR reviews, there are alot of good reviews about M6's and Saint brakes. However, there are also reviews of people saying the brakes crap out on them when they are needed the most. I am just wondering what everyone's experience has been.
     
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    if i was buying brakes right now, id be going for the Avid Juicys 5s or 7s
    was very impressed by them, great feel, powerfull and good modulation
     
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    I've owned Mag's and 9's. Then I bought Juicy 7's and fawk the rest. Paul(partsbara) was diehard Hope and he sold his mono6's for some Juicy 7's. You won't regret it.
     
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    On my bike I have hayes mag brakes. They are the next step up from the hfx 9s. They work well for stoppies and can easily be faethered down stuff like rock cliffs.
     
  7. Biscuit

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    There aren't any brakes out there that will just stop working and kill you.

    Hope's are probably the best, yet most expensive brakes out there. But they do require a little more maintenance (bleeding more often).

    Hayes are the tried and true, almost never fail brakes. And excellent performers.

    I've owned both, and now run Avids. They seem to feel very similar to the Hayes, not quite as much power, but they are the easiest things in the world to setup. Can't say much about their reliability yet, but I liked Juicy 7's so much on my dh bike, I got some 5's for my trail bike.
     
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    Juicy 7's = Pure Sex.
     
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    I've had Hopes (twice now), Maguras, Avids and Hayes. Why on earth would my hopes require "bleeding more often"???
     
  10. Grizzle

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    Thanks for the input so far guys, great stuff! Has anyone tried the new elkos?
     
  11. syadasti

    syadasti i heart mac

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    Juicy 5s work great for the money - you really don't need all the extra adjustment Juicy 7 and Caminos offer IMHO...
     
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    coz its nearly impossible to get hopes (esp the m4 and m6) bled perfectly...once they are perfect they are great!! well the m4 and minis. id stay away from the m6, its just overkill.
     
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    Follow the directions and it's easy. They are one of the only brakes I'm aware of where you don't need special syringes and stuff to bleed. Make sure you keep the caliper above the resi, and it works just fine. I helped a buddy set up some shimanos (which actually seem to bleed very similer to hopes) a few weeks ago, and I'd guess most problems come from people trying to make "shortcuts" to the bleeding process. My buddy was trying to make big shortcuts and bleed it in reverse, which turned out to be messy, a pain in the arse, and the lever didn't feel right when done.
     
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    how about the biking world most under rated brake of all time

    the deore 525 hydro w/8" rotors

    trust me these things are awsome for some reason. i have been using mine for just about 4 year now and they have never let me down!
     
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    id say hopes, i had the same brake as you, i even got mag internals for it. but it still sucks compared to my hope mono6, best brake ive ever tried. a rear m4 is in my future now too. as for bleeding, when i bought them, the mech there did it, but i really dont think he had ever done one before, he got brake fluid all over the place, but at least he ended up doing a good job. i think as long as you follow the instructions then it shouldnt be any harder then any other brake.
     
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    just try and ride different brakes. and whatever you like the best is what you should ride. some people like certain brakes and others can't stand them. just figure out what works best for you.
     
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    Yep. Either those or XT's. Shimano brakes have the best modulation IMHO.
     
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    you mean the open-the-nipple-1/4turn-and-then-squeeze-the-leaver-and then repeat-it-all-over-again technique?
     
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    I have no idea why, but I was bleeding mine about every two months. I even sent them back to hope for servicing and had the same problem.
    My hayes, I had for about a year before it even remotely felt like it needed a bleed.

    I'll second that as the most under rated brake. A friend of mine had these set up and I couldn't believe how powerfull they were (for a super cheap brake).
    He claimed they had been really reliable, no-fade, no-drag.

    No bling, but definitely worth a look.
     
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    go with hopes
     
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    I am running the Hayes Carbons, but they are just a HFX-9 with a carbon lever they have been good to me had no problems at all and they perform well and the stock carbon levers are sweet
     
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    I run the Saints, they are far and away the best brakes I have ever used. Light, easy to bleed, reliable, with amazing power and modulation. I've tried Hayes, Magura, and Hope none of them can touch the performance of the Saints (or XTs, same caliper different paint job).
    I have not had any time on the Avids, but they seem very promising.
     
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    yea i usually bleed my hopes on the bike instead of raising the caliper up in the air cause im lazy and its much harder that way do u think it will make a big differnecetaking the shortcut or will raising the caliper above the lever give me a way better bleed
     
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    Raising the caliper above will always give you a better bleed, because gravity will be working WITH the air bubbles, as long as we are talking about a system (like the hopes) where the fluid goes into the lever and out of the nipple at the caliper.
     
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    avid 5's or 7's
     
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    get the 7's they are nice to, but not as nice as the hopes
     
  28. Nick

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    I use Shimano 755 4-piston brakes on both my bikes. Never tried a brake that I liked more :love::heart: Awesome feel/modulation and tons of stopping power.

    I tried the Juicy's. They're fantastic. I wouldn't drop what I have for them, but when I do need to get a new brake I'd probably put the 5's at the top of the list right now.

    I never cared for any of the Hayes I've tried (compared to my XTs) nor the Hope C2 and Minis that I've tried.
     
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    Shimano XT 4 piston with Goodridge hoses. Effing awsome.
     
  30. Grizzle

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    But you can no longer get the shimano 4 pistons, those were actually the ones i wanted. Why did shimano stop making them i wonder?
     
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    I'm not sure how long I've had my hopes now, about a month. They are the Mono M4's. They have only gotten better since I got them. Great power, great modulation, no squealing, even in pouring rain.
     
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    '04 or newer Magura Louise FRs...Best modulation I have ever felt (although Saints & XT's are very good as well) and brutal power...Nice beefy rotors as well, which are very resistant to warping and bending...They can be tricky to set up right, but mine have been absolute tits...So much so, other people at DH races feel them and flat say 'thats how a DH/FR brake should feel'...They've been several magnitudes better than my Hayes Mags (with Goodridge lines)...

    Also rode some today in fact on another dudes bike and they feel exactly like mine...I mean exacty...Amazing IMO...