[sanjuro]

Another example of how we made a huge mistake with Hussein Obama.

You didn't see George Bush capitulate to the former Soviet Union, but now that we have a socialist in the White House, anything is possible.

Obama traded our national security for our financial security. Now our children will be poor and learning to speak Russian...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/26/AR2010032601943.html

President Obama and Russia President Dmitry Medvedev sealed a new nuclear arms reduction treaty during a phone call this morning, committing the two nations to a significant new reduction of the strategic missiles each side has deployed, U.S. officials announced today.

The treaty, which must still be ratified in the U.S. Senate and in Russia, would replace a 19-year-old pact that called for both countries to draw down their dangerous arsenals of thousands of long-range nuclear weapons.

The new deal took shape after months of negotiations that stretched on far longer than officials had expected. The 1991 START treaty expired in early December of last year, forcing the presidents of both countries to pledge they would abide by its parameters until a new treaty could be forged.

The treaty calls for both sides to reduce the stockpiles of their most dangerous weapons -- those already deployed and ready to launch at long-range targets -- by about 30 percent, allowing each side to retain about 1,550 such warheads.

 

[drkenan]

I went to a diecast collectible store today to get my Dad a birthday present and the owner was listening to faux news at a deafening level.

Anyway, there were talking about ^^^ that and the guy goes "I know how we can get rid of nuclear weapons. Get rid of the Middle East! Ha ha ha ha..."

He also had what I can only describe as a Sarah Palin shrine beside the cash register. I bought a "Palin 2012" sticker just for the heck of it.

 

[kidwoo]

Looks good on the surface.

No way in hell either country actually pursues this.

 

[jonKranked]

speaking of obama and ACTUAL communists...


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Cuban-leader-applauds-US-apf-124808403.html?x=0&.v=1&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

 

[ZoRo]

Communists! You sure have them nailed don't ya... Wow.

 

[Pesqueeb]

speaking of obama and ACTUAL communists...


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Cuban-leader-applauds-US-apf-124808403.html?x=0&.v=1&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Jesus, man the Teahadists are going to run with that. :facepalm:

 

[sanjuro]

You sheeple make me laugh.

The next thing Soetoro Jr will be doing is negotiating with Middle Eastern leaders about surrendering...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/world/middleeast/26diplo.html?scp=1&sq=obama israel&st=cse

WASHINGTON — With Israeli officials saying that construction on a contentious Jewish housing project in East Jerusalem could begin at any time, President Obama seemed to have failed on Wednesday to persuade Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to give a written commitment to rein in any further building and to move ahead on peace talks with the Palestinians.

Mr. Netanyahu left the United States early on Thursday. But before departing for Jerusalem, he said that he thought some progress had been made in healing the rift with Washington, The Associated Press reported. “I think we have found the golden path between Israel’s traditional policies and our desire to move forward toward peace,” he said, according to The A.P.

 

[$tinkle]

more "peace in our time"

In a statement on today's Nuclear Posture Review, President Obama said new restrictions on any American use of nuclear weapons are part of a long-term agenda to eventually eliminate all such weapons worldwide.

"We are taking specific and concrete steps to reduce the role of nuclear weapons while preserving our military superiority, deterring aggression and safeguarding the security of the American people," Obama said in a statement released by the White House.

Obama will take this agenda this week to Prague, where he signs a new arms reduction deal with Russia.

so it seems the manchurian is literally riding a literal unicorn into the Straits of Rainbow


literally.

 

[rockofullr]

Too bad Russia still views nuclear arms as the only way they can offset the vast gap in conventional arms between themselves and the US.

So while reduction in nuclear weapons is possible, Russia without nukes is pure fantasy.

 

[$tinkle]

So while reduction in nuclear weapons is possible, Russia without nukes is pure fantasy.

true.
and for all the pearl clutching on the right, i think it's unfounded. he's not going to defang us, even if that were his desire. i see this as appeasement all right: appeasement to his base. when it's all said & done, we'll have reduced our capabilities to nuke the world 100X over to "only" 95X

i think politically, he can afford this "misstep" if his detractors frame his actions as marching us toward toothlessness, and not what i think could be the stronger argument: that he's malaproped the powers abrogated to him; the concern just may be his bush-esque "i'm the decider" in shoving this treaty down congress' throat (sound familiar?).

as long as we get rid of our nukes by setting them off, i'm cool w/ that. maybe we can open up another kimberly diamond mine.

 

[LOOnatic]

Another take is that the US needs the help of Russia and China (ie, we need them to NOT vetoe everything) so why not throw them a bone every now and again ?
Like $tinkle stated a nuclear reduction willmost likely not de-fang our ability to drop the big bomb just minutely reduce our #'s.
Seriously though Obamas attempt to bring mutual accord on major issues with these other 2 big boys is a good thing and i'm surprised that Sanjuro is so against it

 

[kidwoo]

i'm surprised that Sanjuro is so against it

We're in the middle of his transformation to jaded right wing asshole. Just give it a year and you'll see more consistency

and for all the pearl clutching on the right, i think it's unfounded. he's not going to defang us, even if that were his desire. i see this as appeasement all right: appeasement to his base. when it's all said & done, we'll have reduced our capabilities to nuke the world 100X over to "only" 95X

Somebody needs to remind these tools that this isn't really any different that a lot of reagan's posturing.

 

[$tinkle]

Somebody needs to remind these tools that this isn't really any different that a lot of reagan's posturing.

they're too distracted fantasizing about a palin-bachmann canoe-bagging pillow fight.



and now i am, too.

 

[kidwoo]

they're too distracted fantasizing about a palin-bachmann canoe-bagging pillow fight.

I fantasize about that too.


Except with guns.

 

[sanjuro]

BTW, I am going to have to analyze what the impact of this treaty is. Right now, it is just a political football, and I have no idea if it weakens or strengths our position.

 

[rockofullr]

BTW, I am going to have to analyze what the impact of this treaty is. Right now, it is just a political football, and I have no idea if it weakens or strengths our position.

Our position?

Disarming a few nukes will not affect the global balance of power.

Keep in mind that Obama is holding a nuclear security summit next week to discuss, among other things, reducing nuclear stockpiles. In my mind this was mostly a PR move by the US so that they can say to China, India, and Pakistan "look we are getting rid of nukes you should too".

 

[$tinkle]

Disarming a few nukes will not affect the global balance of power.

but it may cause alaska to break off & capsize

 

[valve bouncer]

I'm seeing a strategic partnership developing here designed to control central Asia and all it's lovely gooey black stuff.

 

[$tinkle]

meconium?

 

[sanjuro]

Mostly, I am hearing two different things:

We are refocusing our nukes at North Korea and Iran.

We are weakening ourselves and we will lose our diplomatic position.

One thing sounds reasonable to me, the other I don't fully understand.

 

[rockofullr]

Mostly, I am hearing two different things:

We are refocusing our nukes at North Korea and Iran.

We are weakening ourselves and we will lose our diplomatic position.

One thing sounds reasonable to me, the other I don't fully understand.

Obviously I can't determine the overall political strategy of the current administration but the situation seems to be the following:

We are attempting to improve relations with Russia and China. One goal of this friendly posture is to get China and Russia to go along with UN resolutions designed to pressure Iran and South Korea into following UN nuclear regulations.

 

[$tinkle]

We are attempting to improve relations with Russia and China. One goal of this friendly posture is to get China and Russia to go along with UN resolutions designed to pressure Iran and South Korea into following UN nuclear regulations.

i think it foolish to continue to genuflect w/o anything resembling reciprocity

we've shown our leadership, now nut up

 

[LOOnatic]

i think it foolish to continue to genuflect w/o anything resembling reciprocity

we've shown our leadership, now nut up

Didn't the Russians after holding out finally sign on 2 the latest sanctions against Iran?
And as far as reprocity someone (or nation) has to go first so ............

*i would have more to say but i need to go look up what genuflect means*

 

[rockofullr]

Taking a "hard line" and demanding cooperation without showing friendship will get us nowhere.

Do you really expect two of the most powerful nations in the world to do what we want just cause we're Amerikuh (Fvk Yeah!)? Oh, and we owe the Chinese a boatload of money to boot.

 

[$tinkle]

actually, it did on October 3, 1990

perhaps that trick works only once. or as bush said, "fool me once...uh...we won't get fooled again"

 

[rockofullr]

But in 1941 we joined an alliance with them to confront common enemies.

This is not a relevant argument for the current situation.

 

[$tinkle]

oh it's so on: Fury as U.S. woman adopts Russian boy, 7, then sends him back alone with note saying: 'I don't want him anymore'

reason #22 why you keep all your receipts.
no word on whether she had already filed for '09

 

[jimmydean]

oh it's so on: Fury as U.S. woman adopts Russian boy, 7, then sends him back alone with note saying: 'I don't want him anymore'

reason #22 why you keep all your receipts.
no word on whether she had already filed for '09

Can this be done with mail order brides, too?

 

[stevew]

China and Russia to go along with UN resolutions designed to pressure Iran and South Korea into following UN nuclear regulations.

north?

 

[sanjuro]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/12/ukraine-nuclear-deal-reac_n_534672.html

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House announced Monday that Ukraine was giving up all its highly enriched uranium, marking success for a major U.S. arms control initiative shortly before President Barack Obama opens a conference on locking down nuclear materials.