probably a bit counter-intuitive, and I've gotta say I've never had a problem with the stiffness of Boxxers, but I didn't mind the bit of flex that shivers had. IMO, it sorta made them track a bit better although granted I'm no WC rider. Just seemed the slightly noodley feel felt better in rock gardens.
New 2009 Boxxers
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Well i never thought id get this many replys to the thread, cheers guys.
I think that boxxers are the best on the market at the minute i mean the current fastest man on the planet is winning on them the legend peaty is still looking good on them and g.minnar is flying so i think the flexibility issue can be closed.
The other reason they are amazing for non-pros or guys on a budget is they can be serviced by almost by anyone they are so easy to keep in top condition and parts are no problem to get hold off, also the side walls are much stronger than the 40s.
I have ridden the 40s and they feel better when your in the carpark bouncing them about but once they are out on the park you just don't get the same feedback as you do with the boxxers sure the boxxers feel like the bushings have gone all the time and the initial 10% of movement in them feels weird but they are awsome on the move.
I think that boxxers are the best on the market at the minute i mean the current fastest man on the planet is winning on them the legend peaty is still looking good on them and g.minnar is flying so i think the flexibility issue can be closed.
The other reason they are amazing for non-pros or guys on a budget is they can be serviced by almost by anyone they are so easy to keep in top condition and parts are no problem to get hold off, also the side walls are much stronger than the 40s.
I have ridden the 40s and they feel better when your in the carpark bouncing them about but once they are out on the park you just don't get the same feedback as you do with the boxxers sure the boxxers feel like the bushings have gone all the time and the initial 10% of movement in them feels weird but they are awsome on the move.
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LOL agreed bud!!
If you need any pre Load spacers give me a PMail, i made a whole load on my lathe at uni out of nylon..(hehe and never paid WOOP)
Only i heard Rockshox will only sell them in a kit now with loads of other useless crap for a lot more money!!
If you need any pre Load spacers give me a PMail, i made a whole load on my lathe at uni out of nylon..(hehe and never paid WOOP)
Only i heard Rockshox will only sell them in a kit now with loads of other useless crap for a lot more money!!
The current fastest man on the planet is running a 40. It's Atherton at the moment. Boxxers flex, but nothing like a Shiver, and they rebound a hell of a lot faster so they actually track due to it. I've spent plenty of time on each of these, all torqued to the correct specs. Some could argue the 888's and 40's are almost stiff to a fault but it depends on how you ride and what your weight distribution is.
I would agree except that a boxxer is only say ~$100 (150max) less than an 08 888 (comparing air to air and coil to coil of course). Only saving a 100 bucks when compared to a brand new chasis and a brand new damper? Hmmmmmmmmmm. Not really a good selling point. Plus boxxers are easy to work on, but zokes are even easier. Plus another quick google search shows that a seal kit for a 888 is just about the same as a boxxer (plus or minus 2 bucks)
Actually, a shiver would flex far less as far as fore-aft flex is concerned, and I do believe that is the type of flex that people were mentioning in this thread.
Are you on crack? Atherton is clearly #2, although hes doing amazingly well and on point to get even better.
Hill is clearly still the man, just having an off year.
Dammit, forgot the rest of my reply. 
The stiffness of the boxxer may be an issue for some, and not for others. JM, I think you just like complaining about Boxxers really.
If the stiffness is an issue, then the rider should look for something else.
Fact is, the World Cup is a 5.9 pound DH fork thats winning at the top of the competitive ladder. Will making it stiffer make a huge improvement? Maybe in the minds of some, but probably not in the results.
The stiffness of the boxxer may be an issue for some, and not for others. JM, I think you just like complaining about Boxxers really.
If the stiffness is an issue, then the rider should look for something else.
Fact is, the World Cup is a 5.9 pound DH fork thats winning at the top of the competitive ladder. Will making it stiffer make a huge improvement? Maybe in the minds of some, but probably not in the results.
Are you suggesting the man that hammers ~5s into his time on the hardest section of the track is from another planet? Because I guess that's entirely possible.
Frankly, I'm amazed you all consider the boxxer to be a "durable" downhill fork. You must be riding some different trails to me, that's for sure.
I could care less for the increased stanchion diameter, so long as they don't snap like the current generation.
I could care less for the increased stanchion diameter, so long as they don't snap like the current generation.
I've seen a few ONLINE ONLY that have snapped near the dropouts, but none in person. I have seen some twisted, but they were quickly taken care of by SRAM.
There are going to be some tradeoffs when you go to make super light forks. Not defending RS, just stating common sense, which may or may not apply to the internets.
There are going to be some tradeoffs when you go to make super light forks. Not defending RS, just stating common sense, which may or may not apply to the internets.
The problem I'm talking about refers to the circlip groove in the stanchion that retains the rebound cartridge internals. I did three myself, and I've now lost count of the number of others doing the same thing locally. Although it did occur to me the other day that I've only ever seen it happen to the coil sprung models. Maybe something about the air spring puts less force on the rebound cartridge at full extension?
Granted, Sram went above and beyond in taking care of me, but others weren't so fortunate it would seem.
And yeah, I wholly agree that there's a trade-off. For certain riders, under certain conditions, the boxxer is "enough". For others, not so much. I would LOVE to know how often Peat, Rennie etc have this problem!
I've heard a rumour that this aspect in particular has been revised for the 2009 version, but I can't see how, with stanchion IDs and ODs remaining the same...
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Nah it breaks on the air models too...
Seen more than a few twisted, we used them for spare parts for a while. Been an issue for a while, since before sram, but not a mystery due to the stanchion size.
32mm=2003. :biggrin:
Maybe I am complaining a little bit, but take a look at the damping. How many times did we say that the damping was archaic compared to other stuff that was available. How many people told us "well, people win on it so it must be the best in the world", and "well I've never had a problem with it". Now with the motion control and mission control it BLOWS the old damping system out of the water. Hate to say it, but yeah, we told you so. The one good thing here is that RS has other products that are not falling behind the times, like the Totem and Lyric, but if the Boxxer is to stay competative any any level, it should be updated in terms of the chassi/stanchion size. Why? Because at 8" of travel, the other forks remain FAR stiffer with stanchions bigger than 32mm. Just like when we said that the hydracoil damping was crap. The only problem was that so many people were riding them that they didn't know, now low and behold motion/mission control is "so much better".
It's like that IMO.
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whoa there, how did you get a 5.9lb fork out of a 6.2lb fork?
Once I cut the steerer on mine, it came out to 5.94985734257905739042857342908573428953425somethingsomethingsomething....
I couldn't beleive it either, but it was verified on 3 scales.
balances out though, as my pike is heavier then advertised. haha ;D
I couldn't beleive it either, but it was verified on 3 scales.
balances out though, as my pike is heavier then advertised. haha ;D
Was referring to torsional flex, not fore-aft.
That Boxxer sure didn't seem to help Sam Hill keep it together through the last left hander at worlds though!! Maybe he hammered it too hard up top.
Regardless, fastest man this year is Atherton. Clock says so. Even though I would have liked Hill to win and think he's a better rider.
And yeah, I don't consider any DH forks these days to be "durable".
That Boxxer sure didn't seem to help Sam Hill keep it together through the last left hander at worlds though!! Maybe he hammered it too hard up top.
Regardless, fastest man this year is Atherton. Clock says so. Even though I would have liked Hill to win and think he's a better rider.
And yeah, I don't consider any DH forks these days to be "durable".
Are you you kidding me? The fork on Sam's bike had absolutely nothing to do with him falling at worlds.
It was that or everyone's precious Maxxis Mininons! Pick one!Are you you kidding me? The fork on Sam's bike had absolutely nothing to do with him falling at worlds.
Or maybe the fact that he tried to rail a super risky line at an insane pace.
Naw, nix that, blame the equipment, we all know your only as good as what you ride on. :huh:
You got it!
A 888 would have ridden out of it. With a Kenda...
A 888 would have ridden out of it. With a Kenda...
I did not know a Kenda could hook up that well when it was flat.
totally, taking a high speed corner even faster then it was ever dreamed it would be taken and not bothering with that pesky berm to add a few seconds to the lead you already have is totally the forks fault.
as for the fork flexing, id rather have a boxxer flex then a 40's eggshell lowers crack. and yes ive seen broken boxxers, my friend snapped his the other week. but for the people i know that have both forks almost all have snapped the 40's and only 3 out of god knows how many have snapped the boxxers.
Actually, the clock proves Hill was faster. His split times were far above Gees.
It is fastest racer to the finish line not the split times.
So in the World Championship Gee is fastest. Looking at the World Cup overall Gee is not the fastest. I am to lazy to go look at current standings to post the leader right now and I am not going to make an educated guess.
So in the World Championship Gee is fastest. Looking at the World Cup overall Gee is not the fastest. I am to lazy to go look at current standings to post the leader right now and I am not going to make an educated guess.
By that logic, an F1 car that failed to finish a race with a skateboard would be, technically, the slower vehicle.
Theres what the clock says, and what is the truth. Not always the same.
Anyways, enough of this.
Yay Boxxorz!!!!!!!!
Theres what the clock says, and what is the truth. Not always the same.
Anyways, enough of this.
Yay Boxxorz!!!!!!!!
Im British and Sam hill is faster than Gee not by much but still faster and hey your all forgeting about minnar he is fast this year and skill wise is friggin awsome.
On the 40s they are not the most reliabile, the blader goes in them the ti spring snaps and they do become quite sticky after a few runs so both forks have there reliability problems. 1 thing i can say about boxers though is that sram are on the ball with replacments.
On the 40s they are not the most reliabile, the blader goes in them the ti spring snaps and they do become quite sticky after a few runs so both forks have there reliability problems. 1 thing i can say about boxers though is that sram are on the ball with replacments.
I chose the wrong word there, he...
It should´ve been "less likely to fail or break", or something. Agreed.didn't see it in this thread although I may have missed it. If so, sorry.
http://www.sram.com/_media/techdocs/2009 RockShox SPC_Rev A.pdf
SRAM put up the 2009 spare parts book. As pointed out earlier, the chassis is the same as 2006-2008. It looks like there may be some new part numbers on some of the components but I didn't have time to compare it so I am not 100% sure.
http://www.sram.com/_media/techdocs/2009 RockShox SPC_Rev A.pdf
SRAM put up the 2009 spare parts book. As pointed out earlier, the chassis is the same as 2006-2008. It looks like there may be some new part numbers on some of the components but I didn't have time to compare it so I am not 100% sure.
Note for the trainspotters: Vivid tunes A, B, and C all listed.
couple dudes on pinkbike have 2009 teams:
^super ugly, imo.
someone is also selling theirs:
http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/351658/
^super ugly, imo.
someone is also selling theirs:
http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/351658/
the new team's are in stock at QBP... along with the new reba's
Doesnt matter how fast you go if you dont get to the finish line first; this is fundamental to racing: Cross finish line before everyone else = win, else FAIL
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Just got mine today
. The red actually isn't too bad. With the low rise crown it weighs in at 3145 grams (6.91 lbs), uncut steer. In case anyone wants a breakdown.
Low rise upper crown - 177g
Maxle DH - 124g
rubber bumpers - 39g
lower crown/steer assembly - 419g
Rest of fork - 2386
. The red actually isn't too bad. With the low rise crown it weighs in at 3145 grams (6.91 lbs), uncut steer. In case anyone wants a breakdown.Low rise upper crown - 177g
Maxle DH - 124g
rubber bumpers - 39g
lower crown/steer assembly - 419g
Rest of fork - 2386
Just wanted to point out that you're wrong. Winning a race does NOT make you the "fastest man", riding fast DOES. No one's arguing who won, people are arguing who the fastest rider is.
So what the clock really says is that Atherton was consistent and managed to win a race, and that Hill smashed him to pieces when it came to raw speed. Not saying Atherton is slow, but I think Hill is in a league of his own when it comes to tracks like that - and you'd be foolish to think otherwise.
Huck Banzai - again, read the point that was being argued instead of making up your own. Fastest rider, not winner.
The 1:04 track said loud and clear who is the fastest. On a multiple run format you eliminate the screw ups and can get the actual fastest time I rider can do. Unless of course it is just pissing down rain your whole day..