We were recently robbed and out of the many things taken our rebel (from 1995) was taken. So now we have $1,000 for a new camera. I myself have a Fuji S5100 which I am very happy with...but it doesn't have a hotshoe, it's 4 megapixels, and I can also spend $150 on a new wideangle. So my parents are getting my S5100, and I get to use the $1,150 on a new camera and wideangle. I pretty much only use it for taking pictures of riding, Downhill, dirt jumping, street park etc. Would a new Rebel XT be the best to get? Or something else? Also could someone point me in the right direction for a nice wideangle fisheye? Thanks A LOT!
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do you want wideangle or fish eye?
In any case, decent Wide anlgle or fisheye lenses for an EF mount will run you about $400-600. (Sigma 15mm Fish, Canon 17-40mm Wide).
If you manage to get the kit EF-s lens, it is an 18-55 and isn't AS bad as people tend to make it out to be. That said, it isn't fantastic by any means.
Best bet for your budget will be an XT with kit lens.
In any case, decent Wide anlgle or fisheye lenses for an EF mount will run you about $400-600. (Sigma 15mm Fish, Canon 17-40mm Wide).
If you manage to get the kit EF-s lens, it is an 18-55 and isn't AS bad as people tend to make it out to be. That said, it isn't fantastic by any means.
Best bet for your budget will be an XT with kit lens.
The Rebel XT has one key advantage you should look at, it's compact. otherwise I would look for a used 20d if you don't mind a used camera. You will like the frame-rate I beleive it focuses faster and it is more profesionaly featured. As for wide angle, look fo a Tamron or Sigma, anything in their pro level line-up or the next step down will be pretty affordable and sharp. Nothing beats Canon "L" series glass but they should fill your needs very well.
I forgot one thing, the 20d is less suceptable to dust and moisture than the XT
I find that highly unlikely. The only difference are software and size of body.maxyedor said:
There is absolutely NO weather sealing at all in a 10d or 20d.
I dont think my rents are to cool with buying a used camera, but I would probably try and find a used wideangle
Canon Rebel XT or Nikon D70. Actually, you could swing the Nikon D50 which would be an excellent camera and have more money left over for lenses. That might be the route I'd take.
It's not the sealing that does it, the 1D is the only camera Canon seals. The people I know that shoot XT's have found the autofucuse sensor realy fidgety when it gets a tiny bit of dust on it.Transcend said:
in all honesty, i've used a the rebel, the d70 and the d50 and the nikons really feel much more sturdy and solid. yea, i know the rebel's got two more megapixels on the nikons. unless you want the 1/3 step adjustment options of the d70, i'd say go with the d50 (a bit smaller and lighter) but pick up the nikon's 15-77 lens. it comes with the d70 and lists as a package around 1200, but you could drop a few hundred with the d50 (probably to around 1000). the lens itself is really amazing...overall a lot nicer than the canon's
The people you know with XTs really have no clue. It has the same AF sensor as the 20d. Just the same as the 300 has the same sensor as the 10d.maxyedor said:
As for the seals on the 1d, I am quite aware. I own one.
Just looked at a head to head on the 20d and xt looks like the 20d has a 1/250 flash sinc and the xt has a 1/200 so if you want to shoot night sports that could come in handy
I just bought the Nikon D50 and so far I LOVE IT:love: but I already have a Nikon F4 35mm that the lenses are interchangeble on. The D50 was in budget for me, and the camera shop said the few added features of the D70s weren't enough to warrant the extra$$$.
I would have loved to have the ability to purchase a Rebel xt. 8mp and 3fps vs 2.5 with the D50.
you cant go wrong with the XT or the D50-70. depending on where you buy your gear, if they offer an added warantee program that might be a good thing to look at. $100 for the D50, and I can have it cleaned as many times in the next 4 years for free!
the 18-55 with most kits is pretty nice for wide angle, but its not a dedicated wide angle or a fisheye.
good luck, it can be a hard descision to make. here is a site that helped me out a lot.
www.kenrockwell.com
he reviews the cams back to back.
I would have loved to have the ability to purchase a Rebel xt. 8mp and 3fps vs 2.5 with the D50.
you cant go wrong with the XT or the D50-70. depending on where you buy your gear, if they offer an added warantee program that might be a good thing to look at. $100 for the D50, and I can have it cleaned as many times in the next 4 years for free!
the 18-55 with most kits is pretty nice for wide angle, but its not a dedicated wide angle or a fisheye.
good luck, it can be a hard descision to make. here is a site that helped me out a lot.
www.kenrockwell.com
he reviews the cams back to back.
skills have outgrown it already?
not really sure myself. 
i was curious to see if you felt a camera body upgrade was needed, but looks like you are changing direction.
i was curious to see if you felt a camera body upgrade was needed, but looks like you are changing direction.
thanks guys for all the replies, really helps a lot. I think im going to go for the Rebel XT with this kit. What do you think?
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but I do take a lot of night shots, and I am always ruining memory with dust (Diablo and Dj's) I can get a similar package with the D70, or the 200
By the way, don't bother with Ken Rockwell. He's a complete windbag who somehow thinks he's important enough to review products that he's never touched or seen.
He's got exactly one piece of useful information on his site: your equipment is a lot less important than your eye at getting good pictures.
Everything else is trash. When someone starts a review with the words, "I've never used one of these, but..." or constantly claims that the aperture of a lens isn't important since you can just increase the ISO...
I just can't put any kind of reliability on his ability to review equipment he's actually used, with the amount of stupid crap on his site which is actually harmful to new users.
He's got exactly one piece of useful information on his site: your equipment is a lot less important than your eye at getting good pictures.
Everything else is trash. When someone starts a review with the words, "I've never used one of these, but..." or constantly claims that the aperture of a lens isn't important since you can just increase the ISO...
I just can't put any kind of reliability on his ability to review equipment he's actually used, with the amount of stupid crap on his site which is actually harmful to new users.
BV, sorry but
His critiques are his opinion based on his experience, if you differ in oppinion, you cant just say
don't make YOUR OPINIONS sound any more valid than someone with more credentials than you, you just sound like your spewing sour grapes!
sounds more like the guy owns the thing, and if you look at his photos, credentials, and how much he gets paid to do workshops I think you will find he is more than just a "Windbag" as you suggest.
His critiques are his opinion based on his experience, if you differ in oppinion, you cant just say
I find it hard to believe that you have even looked at his site because his only reference that I found in the 6 reviews I read of his that remotely resembled your statement about him not using equipment etc. was this on his review of the F4 (a camera which I own)
I disagree with anyone that makes a statement about the disregarding of a lens' aperature, but I have not seen on the reviews I have looked at by him any such reference! I have not dug through all of his reviews on lenses etc. but still I do not come to the conclusions that you do about the value of the site.
don't make YOUR OPINIONS sound any more valid than someone with more credentials than you, you just sound like your spewing sour grapes!
mtbpaint1,
that XT kit looks like a great kit for the money! everything you were asking for right there!!! the one thing I would purchase in addition is a higher speed memory card, the speed of the card will be important if you are taking highspeed shots in succession. IE your action shots of biking!
that XT kit looks like a great kit for the money! everything you were asking for right there!!! the one thing I would purchase in addition is a higher speed memory card, the speed of the card will be important if you are taking highspeed shots in succession. IE your action shots of biking!
I work as a photopgrapher.brungeman said:
It's a well known fact that rockwell is a douchebag. Hand hime 2 identical products (a and b). If one ha sa nikon logo, it is instantly better.
Credentials don't mean he writes valid reviews. You didn't read my post that well - I said, given the amount of crap on his website, I can't take his actual reviews very seriously.brungeman said:
You don't read very many of his lens reviews, then. Yes, I have read almost his entire site.
So... You freely admit you've only looked at a portion of his site, yet I'm the one who hasn't "even looked at his site"?
Sour grapes, nothing. Hiding behind credentials is bullsh*t. If the guy had a simple site about his photography up, I wouldn't even be posting. But he passes off very poor information as factual.
My uncle is a very talented photographer. But he doesn't know s**t about equipment. Credentials don't necessarily make someone the best choice to review equipment.
Here, let me pull some gems from his site:
And your claim of sour grapes is just plain pathetic. I don't begrudge him his photography. There are plenty of people who are more successful than I who I have nothing but respect for. Rockwell is simply a douche. I wish him the best in his photography but there is too much garbage in his website to take him seriously.
On the 17-55mm f/2.8 said:
On aperture said:
80-200mm f/2.8D ED said:
70-180mm f/4.5-5.6 said:
His site is full of "I have not used this" and "I suspect" tidbits that simply steer many budding photographers the wrong way.
And your claim of sour grapes is just plain pathetic. I don't begrudge him his photography. There are plenty of people who are more successful than I who I have nothing but respect for. Rockwell is simply a douche. I wish him the best in his photography but there is too much garbage in his website to take him seriously.
Transcend,
I respect your work, and like the publication, Douchebag, Ken may be, but why would the pair of photographers shooting the wedding I was in 2 weeks ago (both shooting Canon 1D's) tell me to look on his site for comparisons, and the other photographer that was at the wedding (cousin of the bride who shoots with Nikons) also suggest to look there?
PS... what do you use to get the great shots you do?
I respect your work, and like the publication, Douchebag, Ken may be, but why would the pair of photographers shooting the wedding I was in 2 weeks ago (both shooting Canon 1D's) tell me to look on his site for comparisons, and the other photographer that was at the wedding (cousin of the bride who shoots with Nikons) also suggest to look there?
although there may be difference in opinion you can not say he always pics one over another! and as for his choice in lenses the 2 camera shops I usually use say the same as he about the quality of "glass" in lenses... and although the Tamron lenses are fine for what I do he is right in saying the same lens by Nikon or Canon has a better lens set in it and if you are looking to buy the best... !!!
PS... what do you use to get the great shots you do?