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davep

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Jan 7, 2005
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If you are searching for a seal and wiper set in the industrial world, the only brand you need to know is NOK. Of course this will take a bit more to find sizes and match...vs the Enduro that are a drop in kit.


I 'corrected' the seals in a few manitou shermans and an dorado SPV back in the day. NOK worked wonders.
 
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FullMonty

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Nov 29, 2009
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I dunno if the 40 is different or something, but I've been running a 36 on my AM/FR bike for over a year and I might get a tiny oily ring on a really dusty day, but usually nothing. I drop the lowers every month to six weeks, pull the seals, clean them and the foam rings, soak the foam rings in oil while I'm cleaning out the lowers, reassemble and ride.
 
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euroford

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Dec 8, 2009
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i must be special, as i've never had a problem with a fox seal, and i had a set of enduros wreck my uppers.
 
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MDJ

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Dec 15, 2005
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1soulrider said:
Including a 180mm singlecrown fork, or so I have been told...
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Just in time for no one to want one anymore.

Okay, maybe some people do but they missed all the hype that the Totem built up for them a couple of years ago. That was like free publicity that their competitors handed to them on a silver platter and they squandered it.

I'm sure we'll still be overwhelmed with the product and price like we were with the 831.

:rolleyes:
 
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cowman

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Oct 17, 2004
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buckoW said:
Sometimes it was possible to dislodge the bladder in the bottom of the cartridge and get air in the cartridge. That problem is now gone. I wasn't talking about bleeding the cart but riding it.
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I've done this on a few different occasions. I also broke a ti spring in my fork this fall. Both malfunctions feel very odd.
 
SuPaFlY

SuPaFlY

Chimp
Jan 7, 2005
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Toronto
The main probems associated with the 40's are easily fixed with plain maintenance. The seals pop due to lack of maintenance and air pressure being released pror to riding. (Tell tale psss if you open up the topcap anywhere with elevation.) As the fork compresses, a small amount of oil is pushed out for lubrication. Over time, the oil depletes, and everything goes to hell internally.

Everyone maintains the rest of your bikes right? Adjust the derailleurs tighten pivots, replace DU bushings, Check your headset Right? Your suspension is being worked far more than all of these combined. So monthly maintenance of removing the lowers, cleaning/ greasing the seals, and putting in some fresh oil goes a long way of preventing undue damage to the seals, and bushings. As for the Cartridge, again, a little maintenance goes a long way as well. As oil breaks down, it turns into a gas, this gas (like the lower assembly) has to go somewhere, and that somewhere is the weakest point, the lower bladder. It gets forced out, tears and leaves you swearing. (IF this happens at a race, A patch kit goes a long way TRUST ME!)

With weight being a major part of marketing, the piston as most of you know is about the size of a dime. This puts a lot of pressure on the oil, breaking it down quickly and leading to this easily fixable problem. Mainenance!!!!! Change the oil in your cartridge every four to six months or depending on how much you ride, and you will never have another problem, I promise. At the beginning of 09, i had a 2010 boxxer team, fixed problems, and at a whim, traded it for a 2009 40RC2, and by far it is the best thing i have done to improve my riding.

Like the saying goes, an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure!
 
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Iridemtb

Turbo Monkey
Feb 2, 2007
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SuPaFlY said:
The main probems associated with the 40's are easily fixed with plain maintenance. The seals pop due to lack of maintenance and air pressure being released pror to riding. (Tell tale psss if you open up the topcap anywhere with elevation.) As the fork compresses, a small amount of oil is pushed out for lubrication. Over time, the oil depletes, and everything goes to hell internally.

Everyone maintains the rest of your bikes right? Adjust the derailleurs tighten pivots, replace DU bushings, Check your headset Right? Your suspension is being worked far more than all of these combined. So monthly maintenance of removing the lowers, cleaning/ greasing the seals, and putting in some fresh oil goes a long way of preventing undue damage to the seals, and bushings. As for the Cartridge, again, a little maintenance goes a long way as well. As oil breaks down, it turns into a gas, this gas (like the lower assembly) has to go somewhere, and that somewhere is the weakest point, the lower bladder. It gets forced out, tears and leaves you swearing. (IF this happens at a race, A patch kit goes a long way TRUST ME!)

With weight being a major part of marketing, the piston as most of you know is about the size of a dime. This puts a lot of pressure on the oil, breaking it down quickly and leading to this easily fixable problem. Mainenance!!!!! Change the oil in your cartridge every four to six months or depending on how much you ride, and you will never have another problem, I promise. At the beginning of 09, i had a 2010 boxxer team, fixed problems, and at a whim, traded it for a 2009 40RC2, and by far it is the best thing i have done to improve my riding.

Like the saying goes, an ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure!
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Ya, I do maintain mine and the change the oil about 1 time every month during the summer and seals about once every 2. But that's what annoys me. I don't want trouble, so that's why I do it. But I don't think I should have to do that, I think they should have better seals so my forks oil doesn't get all crapped up so fast. Hence why I'm asking for better seals, not just a dust wiper.
 
1soulrider

1soulrider

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Apr 16, 2002
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MDJ said:
Just in time for no one to want one anymore.

Okay, maybe some people do but they missed all the hype that the Totem built up for them a couple of years ago. That was like free publicity that their competitors handed to them on a silver platter and they squandered it.

I'm sure we'll still be overwhelmed with the product and price like we were with the 831.

:rolleyes:
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Agreed.
 
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dropmachine

Turbo Monkey
Sep 7, 2001
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Your face.
Iridemtb said:
Ya, I do maintain mine and the change the oil about 1 time every month during the summer and seals about once every 2. But that's what annoys me. I don't want trouble, so that's why I do it. But I don't think I should have to do that, I think they should have better seals so my forks oil doesn't get all crapped up so fast. Hence why I'm asking for better seals, not just a dust wiper.
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You want better seals, then you better be prepared for MORE work on the fork. The tighter the seal, the more you are going to have to tear it down and lube it. the size of the 40s legs mean theres a lot of surface contact, which means stiction. As it is, they strike a damn good balance right now between smooth movement and holding everything in. The tiny bit of maintenance you have to do is absolutely fair for what the fork is.

DOn't wanna do that work? Go get a monster T, older 888, or upgrade your internals to the new Avalanche ones.
 
S.K.C.

S.K.C.

Turbo Monkey
Feb 28, 2005
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FANCY!!!

So... I'm assuming this means no fork penis on the 40 for 2011? (I've seen and heard some things but the answer to this seems to vary depending on who you are talking to)
 
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mullet_dew

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Mar 22, 2009
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Bellingham WA
I wonder... will the 2011 40 with gold stanchions and the new damper be renamed the fox 2011, because it will probably cost about that much. Look at how well the 831 worked out for them, and it was just a float with some minor changes.
 
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dropmachine

Turbo Monkey
Sep 7, 2001
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Your face.
mullet_dew said:
Look at how well the 831 worked out for them, and it was just a float with some minor changes.
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ITs cracks like this that make me feel sorry for companies. Clearly you have ZERO understanding of how **** works.

Consider how many FLoats Fox makes. Thousands, and thousands. Now, consider how many 831s they make. A couple thousand maybe? Can't be many. TO do them, they have to do a smaller production run, complete with (as I understand it) different castings. How much do you think that costs them? YOu think changing the damping settings inside the forks is just a touch of a button?

The 831 costs more because its a specialty fork, end of story. Its not just a Float with some minor changes, its a Float with beefier lowers (again, as I understand it) and a custom tune for DJ/ Street stuff. THATS why it costs more.
 
HAB

HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
Apr 28, 2007
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dropmachine.com said:
ITs cracks like this that make me feel sorry for companies. Clearly you have ZERO understanding of how **** works.

Consider how many FLoats Fox makes. Thousands, and thousands. Now, consider how many 831s they make. A couple thousand maybe? Can't be many. TO do them, they have to do a smaller production run, complete with (as I understand it) different castings. How much do you think that costs them? YOu think changing the damping settings inside the forks is just a touch of a button?

The 831 costs more because its a specialty fork, end of story. Its not just a Float with some minor changes, its a Float with beefier lowers (again, as I understand it) and a custom tune for DJ/ Street stuff. THATS why it costs more.
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Bingo. If they could sell as many 831s as regular Floats, I'm sure they'd cost about the same. Thing is, there are way more XC riders out there than DJers. They're going to sell more Floats by a ton. Designing a new fork costs money, as does setting up new tooling to make something new. Those costs need to be spread over however many forks they're going to be making. Since they're not making as many 831s, the portion of the tooling and design cost is going to be relatively high per fork.
 
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mullet_dew

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Mar 22, 2009
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Bellingham WA
dropmachine.com said:
ITs cracks like this that make me feel sorry for companies. Clearly you have ZERO understanding of how **** works.

Consider how many FLoats Fox makes. Thousands, and thousands. Now, consider how many 831s they make. A couple thousand maybe? Can't be many. TO do them, they have to do a smaller production run, complete with (as I understand it) different castings. How much do you think that costs them? YOu think changing the damping settings inside the forks is just a touch of a button?

The 831 costs more because its a specialty fork, end of story. Its not just a Float with some minor changes, its a Float with beefier lowers (again, as I understand it) and a custom tune for DJ/ Street stuff. THATS why it costs more.
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pinkbike article
From what I read it has a new LSC needle, a couple moar shims and some extra oil in the air chamber to reduce volume. Maybe all the extra cost goes into black painted lowers and having 831 painted on?
 
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HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
Apr 28, 2007
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mullet_dew said:
pinkbike article
From what I read it has a new LSC needle, a couple moar shims and some extra oil in the air chamber to reduce volume.
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His point still stands. They had to set up new tooling for the beefier lowers, and that new rebound needle. Adding a couple moar shimz and some more oil isn't apt to be a big expense, but that stuff all had to be designed by someone, and engineers don't work for free. You can't just look at material costs, there's a ton more that goes into the development and production of a fork than that. There's a reason a fork costs more than it's weight in aluminum, magnesium and steel.
 
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mullet_dew

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Mar 22, 2009
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Bellingham WA
HAB said:
His point still stands. They had to set up new tooling for the beefier lowers, and that new rebound needle. Adding a couple moar shimz and some more oil isn't apt to be a big expense, but that stuff all had to be designed by someone, and engineers don't work for free. You can't just look at material costs, there's a ton more that goes into the development and production of a fork than that. There's a reason a fork costs more than it's weight in aluminum, magnesium and steel.
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You didn't read my link:(
Same old 32 lowers, and LSC needle not rebound.
 
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davep

Turbo Monkey
Jan 7, 2005
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seattle
Not saying anyone is wrong for sure, but there is no mention at all on the 831 page about a beefier casting. Some early third party reposts said that it was a stronger casting because of the webbing on the arch vs the standard scouped out arch. This however is VERY misleading as the only fork to not use the webbing is the 26" 'f' model. Every other fork they make has the webbing.
 
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mullet_dew

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Mar 22, 2009
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Bellingham WA
dropmachine.com said:
According to Fox, the lowers are beefier too. I'll take Fox's word over PB anyday. ;)
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Where is Fox's word? They make no mention on their 831 page, and according to them the 831 is .05 pounds lighter than the 32 float, is that what you mean by "beefier"? The PB article is just a copy/past job on Fox's own press release.
 
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