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Bacardi · Aug 5, 2004

SC VP-free 8.5 ", ~$1700
Banshee Scream 8" ~$1300

I assume with Front Derailleur you want climbing, yet with 8" you want a Chain guide, for those Jumps & Drops. Those 2 are the first thta come to mind

ThePriceSeliger · Aug 5, 2004

you want to have a bike with 10 or 11 inches of travel and you wanna climb it? unless you rig it up like no other you might wanna think of what kind of riding you are going to do!

Smelly · Aug 5, 2004

just so you know, there's NOTHING you can do with 11 inches of travel that can't be done with 7 or 8. in fact, most things are probably easier with less than 11 inches of travel. don't tell me you were gonna put a supermonster up front... :nope:

Foes Fly would be a nice choice, as would the vp-free or the new turner highline (do a search for it, or check out the Turner forum on mtbr).

dexterq20 · Aug 5, 2004

What the hell is a Turmoil?

me89 · Aug 5, 2004

there is no need for 11 inches of travel unless your plannin on quailifing for the rampage or are going to the world cup of dh racing. but wait didnt the world cup bike have only 8 inches. yep that was an ironhorse. i just got the 03 team frame (what one the world cup in 02 or 03 i think). it has front derailure mount and e13 chainguides bolt on with no modification. now you dont get much better than that. also it has the 5th element rear and 1.5 head tube. also the package comes with a reducer as well as a kickass headset.but you can get 10-11 inch travel bikes but its a little excessive. if you go for that i would suggest the marin team dh. 10 inches of ADDUSTABLE TRAVEL. dont know if it has derailure mount but you can always check that out.so good luck with the frame decision. and 10-11 inche travel bikes arent made to climb. keep ridin and hope you get the bike of your dreams peace :blah:

MikeD · Aug 5, 2004

Aren't the Norcos front derailleur compatible? That or a Big Hit, or the Demo 9, too...I thought it could run a front mech.

Dirtworks Pirahna used to come front-mech capable, too.

With some bikes, using an Evil DRS guide with the e-type mounting plate can give you a front mech if you use hose clamps to make a ghetto housing stop.

MD

Edit: I checked the website; Demo 9 can take a front mech. What else do you need, really?

OGRipper · Aug 5, 2004

E-type or not you won't find much with a front der and more than 9" of travel. Regardless of how you mount it, it's hard to squeeze a front der in there with that much travel without ending up with a really long rear end that will handle like poo.

My vote: VP-Free.

Or: Two different bikes.

Jesus · Aug 5, 2004

An E-type front der should work if it clears the rear triangle under compression. The only way to know is to mount one up and take the spring of the shock and see if it hits.

Also as someone else already stated, get an E-13 DRS and you can mount your der to that, but still take off the spring to check clearance.

OGRipper · Aug 5, 2004

"An E-type front der should work if it clears the rear triangle under compression."

Not sure if this was a response to me but that was pretty much my point. You need room for the der, including cable pull and der throw. If the bike wasn't designed to take a front der, an e-type mount won't necessarily help.

Transcend · Aug 5, 2004

Mustang85 said:
Ill try and make sense but it i proly wont.

OK here's the low down im looking for a new gnar long travel frame...BUT IT HAS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A FRONT DERAILLEUR (sorry about caps but i wont even give a frame the time of day if it doesnt). Then i found the Turmoil and fell in love with it, but no front Derailleur mount poo. i told a friend about it and he gave me the idea to get/use and e type(bottom bracket) front Derailleur. the only problem with that is the Turmoil's bb spacing is 100mm and there are like 3 bbs with that size raceface, fsa, and Truvativ. so yeah and none are etype specific but can you just getto rig it?

ok another proplem is the Turmoils swing arm area. i talked with the OWNER and creator of the frame/company Bill Millington, he doesnt know if the Derailleur would fit because of the size of that area but i just assumed that it would because you can put a fatty chain guide on it and from the pictures but they arnt that good.

After looking at all the stuff id have to get to use the frame it would end up being over 2500 so if anyone has a good idea on a frame 2500 or less let me know...8+ in of travel and has to be able to take big drops and jumps thanks

post it or email at mustang85@mad.scientist.com

Orange 223 DD - nuff said.

Single pivot, 9" travel, front derr compatible, 1.5" headtube.

Oh and essentially same bike that Peaty and the boys have ridden to numerous world cup, and world championship wins.

OGRipper · Aug 5, 2004

Given that statement and your other criteria, I'm done trying to help. Good luck.

:rolleyes:

Kornphlake · Aug 5, 2004

agreed.

Wait, I never tried to help... how about a hardtail...

Now I'm done trying to help.

RhinofromWA · Aug 5, 2004

from www.roteccycles.com

http://www.roteccycles.com/motofr.htm

Rotec Moto Fr8:

Take our DH frameset, beef up the head tube to 1.5, add a front derailleur system and you get a frame thats ready to go again.

1.5 head tubes come standard on all Frs and some DH frames. Any framesets in the near future will come as OEM on dh and fr frames for strength and durability.

Both the FR8 and the DH9 can know accommodate a 9x3 stroke Avalanche with 9.8 inches.

E-type front derailleur friendly.

Easy cable pass thru in the swingarm for rear derailleur housing protection.

New and Improved CNC machined 1 piece swingarm yoke for increased stiffness around the main pivot bearings and improved weight savings.

The industrys first production frameset offering our exclusive integrated damper mounting system designed specifically for the Hopey steering dampener system.

A built in moto inspired fork stop

Derailleur tracks the rear wheels so it should shift consitantly. Has/can have 9.3 inches of travel. Uses 5thElement shock or Avy.

Worth a look.

Fr a long travel front derailleur compatible bike....that is what it is to a T. They aren't long like the old ones...they are similiar to the current std.

Raced to event overall podiums in the WIM series buy local racers.

RhinofromWA · Aug 5, 2004

Rabie · Aug 5, 2004

Mustang85 said:
im not someone who is all about looks or anything but the orange loos too gay for me

For real. I bet everyone who's tried to help you in this thread is a friggin homo. You should PM your question to Orven. He knows all about freeride frames, and is sensitive to what's gay. He's also in your area. Maybe you guys could hook up for a ride and call stuff gay together.

RhinofromWA · Aug 5, 2004

Newer image:

that Rotec is so sweet...kinda looks like a piranha rip off

You sure you are thinking of the right frame? Piranha like the likage acuated single pivot /4-bar (non-horst link) frame?

me89 · Aug 5, 2004

know this is off subject but rhino how do you like that slider +

and im still sticken with my ironhorse its got an awsome rep and looks kickass. it might be yellow

but it does the frame justice with the decals. i love the way it looks and still think you should get it. and also comes with front derailur mount just a little prob with routing the lines but thats why they made zip ties. yeh it doesnt look that great but its a mountain bike its going to get nasty any ways.

Evel Monkey · Aug 5, 2004

I can't.

RhinofromWA · Aug 5, 2004

me89 said:
know this is off subject but rhino how do you like that slider +

Not my bike. That is a local riders bike though. EvilBob (RM member) on my team has a Slider (I think it is a plus) on his Specialized Bighit. He got it at the start of this season. He has really enjoyed it. I have no experience with the fork personally I can't even test ride his cause I am to fat (fork/bike under sprung) to give it a fair review.

I didn't mean to imply that bike was mine. I have a 2002 model (the last of the long bikes)
Dated Picture.....late 02 I think

Newer shot:

me89 · Aug 5, 2004

thnks rhino i just assumed since you posted it. we all know what assuming does though so my bad.

Kornphlake · Aug 5, 2004

Mustang85 said:
just personal prefrince thats all...didnt mean to offend i jsut dont like the way it looks, and im not going to spend 2000 on somehting i think looks stupid even if it woulds great

I wasn't offended by the gay thing, I say lots of stuff is gay, it was just the way you shot down the possibility of considering an Orange because of its looks. You come out looking for opinions knowing that people are going to reccomend the bike they currently ride and you go and insult every bike any of us rides. Personal preferance is one thing but when you've got a list of requirements as long as yours you might have to make some compromises, the manufacturers certainly are making compromises to accomodate you, if one of those compromises is fashion so be it. For example lots of people are buying those ugly honda elements for a lot more than $2000.

MikeD · Aug 5, 2004

Mustang, here on Ridemonkey you're going to be taken to task for starting yet another 'what frame' thread with very demanding and specific criteria, then bashing a frame that meets all of them in spades for being ugly. Everyone on the board will think it's a dumb, not to mention rude, thing to say; it's just the way it is here.

I don't think Transcend will think another second about your opinion; he won't cry himself to sleep tonight because you think his bike is 'gay,' but he, and most of us, sure aren't going to bother to try and help you again. And then, you'll either be ignored or just used as sarcasm fodder whenever you post.

You're also not going to be taken seriously until you start capitalizing, punctuating, and generally writing like an adult. Again, not bashing you for it, but that's the way this board is...if you don't like that, you might not be very happy here.

Unless you enjoy reading responses like Rabie's ad nauseum, that is...

-MD

Rabie · Aug 5, 2004

MikeD said:
Mustang, here on Ridemonkey you're going to be taken to task for starting yet another 'what frame' thread with very demanding and specific criteria, then bashing a frame that meets all of them in spades for being ugly. Everyone on the board will think it's a dumb, not to mention rude, thing to say; it's just the way it is here.

I don't think Transcend will think another second about your opinion; he won't cry himself to sleep tonight because you think his bike is 'gay,' but he, and most of us, sure aren't going to bother to try and help you again. And then, you'll either be ignored or just used as sarcasm fodder whenever you post.

You're also not going to be taken seriously until you start capitalizing, punctuating, and generally writing like an adult. Again, not bashing you for it, but that's the way this board is...if you don't like that, you might not be very happy here.

Unless you enjoy reading responses like Rabie's ad nauseum, that is...

-MD

I was just trying to be helpful. Orven is a smart guy, and is very responsive to PMs, even if his posts on the board wouldn't indicate as much. He also likes to show people his freeride skills.

And it's AD NAUSEAM. Geez, write like an adult.

MikeD · Aug 5, 2004

Rabie said:
I...freeride skills.

And it's AD NAUSEAM. Geez, write like an adult.

Well, then, if you're going to correct me in a dead language, I feel compelled to tell you that with reference to freeriding, it's spelled "skillz." So eat that.

Ask Orven. He knows.

MD

Joey · Aug 5, 2004

squarewheels said:
just so you know, there's NOTHING you can do with 11 inches of travel that can't be done with 7 or 8. in fact, most things are probably easier with less than 11 inches of travel.

Yep, agreed.

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Transcend · Aug 5, 2004

Mustang85 said:
im not someone who is all about looks or anything but the orange loos too gay for me

wow you are a flaming moron aren't you?
:dead:

Transcend · Aug 5, 2004

Mustang85 said:
I HAVE THAT SAME TOOLBOX!!!!lol

sick bike

Well aren't you special percy! :nuts:

Transcend · Aug 5, 2004

MikeD said:
Mustang, here on Ridemonkey you're going to be taken to task for starting yet another 'what frame' thread with very demanding and specific criteria, then bashing a frame that meets all of them in spades for being ugly. Everyone on the board will think it's a dumb, not to mention rude, thing to say; it's just the way it is here.

I don't think Transcend will think another second about your opinion; he won't cry himself to sleep tonight because you think his bike is 'gay,' but he, and most of us, sure aren't going to bother to try and help you again. And then, you'll either be ignored or just used as sarcasm fodder whenever you post.

You're also not going to be taken seriously until you start capitalizing, punctuating, and generally writing like an adult. Again, not bashing you for it, but that's the way this board is...if you don't like that, you might not be very happy here.

Unless you enjoy reading responses like Rabie's ad nauseum, that is...

-MD

I woudl just like to point out that i do not ride a DD and never will...because it hink freeriding is gay. Also, I think mustangs are gay. As is any bike with 11" of travel for comfort , especially if it doesnt have a 250cc motor in it.

in conclusion, MikeD is gay.

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