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SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
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Archslater said:
Exactly, and you could take the money you were going to spend on the larger house and add great details and materials to the 2000 square foot home, making it a great place to be.

When I peer through the giant windows of all of the McMansions as I drive by, all I see is huge empty spaces,and white walls.
That's because they spend all of their time down in the theatre room watching T.V....... :rolleyes:

-S.S.-
 

McGRP01

beer and bikes
Feb 6, 2003
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I like my house. It's a 1300sf colonial built in 1944, and it has "personality". It just feels right to us. That was a big factor why my wife and I bought it. Hope that doesn't sound to wierd....
 

stosh

Darth Bailer
Jul 20, 2001
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NY
McGRP01 said:
I like my house. It's a 1300sf colonial built in 1944, and it has "personality". It just feels right to us. That was a big factor why my wife and I bought it. Hope that doesn't sound to wierd....
Drunken Ninja is that you?
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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Archslater said:
Exactly, and you could take the money you were going to spend on the larger house and add great details and materials to the 2000 square foot home, making it a great place to be..

However, getting someone to do that is not going to happen very often when your NSBH can only appraise the going rate for all the other McHouses for the neighborhood. You are screwed if you spent $200/sf 0n your house and all the other houses are going for $100/sf.

No finance company is going to give a buyer $200/sf when it appraises at $100/sf... same for construction loans.
 

SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
Sep 21, 2003
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McGRP01 said:
I like my house. It's a 1300sf colonial built in 1944, and it has "personality". It just feels right to us. That was a big factor why my wife and I bought it. Hope that doesn't sound to wierd....
Absolutely not. My wife and I looked at *dozens* of houses before we bought our first one. Then we did the same 4 years later to find our second house. So many houses on the market are terribly designed. You should *always* hold out until you find the one that does just "feel right."

-S.S.-
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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SkaredShtles said:
Absolutely not. My wife and I looked at *dozens* of houses before we bought our first one. Then we did the same 4 years later to find our second house. So many houses on the market are terribly designed. You should *always* hold out until you find the one that does just "feel right."

-S.S.-
A lot of peeps have to buy something NOW though...
 

SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
Sep 21, 2003
67,804
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In a van.... down by the river
N8 said:
However, getting someone to do that is not going to happen very often when your NSBH can only appraise the going rate for all the other McHouses for the neighborhood. You are screwed if you spent $200/sf 0n your house and all the other houses are going for $100/sf.

No finance company is going to give a buyer $200/sf when it appraises at $100/sf... same for construction loans.
Yup. And resale *is* something people look at, for better or for worse. And a house in a neighborhood going for 60-100% more per square foot than others just plain *ain't* gonna sell.

-S.S.-
 

Archslater

Monkey
Mar 6, 2003
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Indianapolis
N8 said:
However, getting someone to do that is not going to happen very often when your NSBH can only appraise the going rate for all the other McHouses for the neighborhood. You are screwed if you spent $200/sf 0n your house and all the other houses are going for $100/sf.

No finance company is going to give a buyer $200/sf when it appraises at $100/sf... same for construction loans.
Yep, I'm an idealist on this topic, I don't claim to be inline with mainstream society. This is a great topic though......
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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SkaredShtles said:
Yup. And resale *is* something people look at, for better or for worse. And a house in a neighborhood going for 60-100% more per square foot than others just plain *ain't* gonna sell.

-S.S.-

Nope... you'd better LOVE your NSBH cuz you ain't gonna sell it for what you have in it.
 

Archslater

Monkey
Mar 6, 2003
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Indianapolis
SkaredShtles said:
Yup. And resale *is* something people look at, for better or for worse. And a house in a neighborhood going for 60-100% more per square foot than others just plain *ain't* gonna sell.

-S.S.-
My wife and I need to think long and hard before our next home purchase, because I'm sure that the stuff I do to it will not be well received by future buyers.... we are going to need to live there for awhile.

Another Architect I work with is selling his suburban home. All he did was add some interesting paint schemes, patterned carpet, and unique light fixtures, and many buyers are horified. They expect white walls and carpet I guess. I don't understand the mindset.
 

narlus

Eastcoast Softcore
Staff member
Nov 7, 2001
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behind the viewfinder
Archslater said:
I have a theory that in 20-30 years people will finally grow tired of the frustrations of the suburbs, and as the shoddy, characterless surburban homes begin to fall apart, they will flee back into the towns and cities, causing a trend in urban renewal. Unsustainable suburbs will become the new Ghetto's.
sorry if i'm way late, but a big reason that people go to the suburbs in the 1st place is because urban schools are more or less terrible, and private schools are expensive.
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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Archslater said:
My wife and I need to think long and hard before our next home purchase, because I'm sure that the stuff I do to it will not be well received by future buyers.... we are going to need to live there for awhile.

Another Architect I work with is selling his suburban home. All he did was add some interesting paint schemes, patterned carpet, and unique light fixtures, and many buyers are horified. They expect white walls and carpet I guess. I don't understand the mindset.

Yep. Most buyers and real estate people are brainwashed into wanting "builder beige" and bland finishes/fixtures.

I am going to catch flack about the turquoise in my parade house and my brushed nickle light fixtures but I am sure someone will like it.
 

narlus

Eastcoast Softcore
Staff member
Nov 7, 2001
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N8 said:
For the average home buyer picking out paint colors and countertops is a major ordeal... and most do not want to even do that and are content with a finished house as long as it generally suits them.
agreed. and joe housebuyer isn't really the right person to bring to the process. it really should be a combo of developer and the community desiger/planner.
 

stosh

Darth Bailer
Jul 20, 2001
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NY
Archslater said:
Yep, I'm an idealist on this topic, I don't claim to be inline with mainstream society. This is a great topic though......
I love how in many ways architects/planners look at how communities work and how similar their "ideal" community is to the basic principals of communism.

Probably why N8 disagrees with so much of it.
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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stosh said:
I love how in many ways architects/planners look at how communities work and how similar their "ideal" community is to the basic principals of communism.

Probably why N8 disagrees with so much of it.

The reality here in La is that most community planers are appointed by politico's who are either beholden to developers or are developers themselves.
 

stosh

Darth Bailer
Jul 20, 2001
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408
NY
N8 said:
The reality here in La is that most community planers are appointed by politico's who are either beholden to developers or are developers themselves.
It's funny how resistant Americans can be to new ideas.
 

narlus

Eastcoast Softcore
Staff member
Nov 7, 2001
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jmvar said:
Would you go to the store an buy a pint of milk, or do you buy 2 gallons at a time? If I had a family I know I would be buying 2 gallons at a time. What about juice, bread, mayo, cereal......can you walk home with 40-50 lbs worth of groceries if you are living in a smart growth community? When it comes to shopping the Costo/Price Club method has extended itself to the supermarkets.
i agree 100%. in ireland, there was an ordinance which limited the amount of floor space a supermarket could have. basically it was put in place to help preserve the concept of the village fruit and veg and butcher shop. you know, the one you can walk to. but it's also a bit more expensive, because the sales/overhead ratio isn't as good, and the selection isn't as good either. so those two factors drive people to larger stores.
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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narlus said:
but it's also a bit more expensive, because the sales/overhead ratio isn't as good, and the selection isn't as good either. so those two factors drive people to larger stores.
Cue WalMart!
 

SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
Sep 21, 2003
67,804
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In a van.... down by the river
narlus said:
sorry if i'm way late, but a big reason that people go to the suburbs in the 1st place is because urban schools are more or less terrible, and private schools are expensive.
:stupid: We have some friends that live in a "gentrifying" area of Denver, and the local elementary is supposedly reasonably good, but the city middle & high schools in their area are horrific. And private school *is* heinously expensive.

-S.S.-
 

stosh

Darth Bailer
Jul 20, 2001
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408
NY
Archslater said:
I'm 29, but sadly I'm becoming more idealistic with age, not less...... :(
Agreed, once I was able to get out of college and the MTV mindset my head is much clearer now.
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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N8 said:
Serious. I almost bought 60 a year and a half ago but passed it up when a bidding war started on it.

I'd have needed one or two investors to pull it off though but I could round those up.
 

Archslater

Monkey
Mar 6, 2003
154
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Indianapolis
stosh said:
I love how in many ways architects/planners look at how communities work and how similar their "ideal" community is to the basic principals of communism.

Probably why N8 disagrees with so much of it.

Yeah, I'm pretty left leaning myself, so I've thought about that very point..... until I look at the crap Architecture that has come out of Socialist/Communist governments.
 

stosh

Darth Bailer
Jul 20, 2001
22,248
408
NY
Archslater said:
Yeah, I'm pretty left leaning myself, so I've thought about that very point..... until I look at the crap Architecture that has come out of Socialist/Communist governments.
Ever seen the capital of North Korea?

It's kinda feaky in a Gotham city, ghost town, way.
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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Archslater said:
Yeah, I'm pretty left leaning myself, so I've thought about that very point..... until I look at the crap Architecture that has come out of Socialist/Communist governments.

Funny when Architecture is something that can only thrive in a capitalist/my building is bigger/better/more funky than your building society.
 

stosh

Darth Bailer
Jul 20, 2001
22,248
408
NY
Westy said:
I've got a friend that has made some serious cash developing. Of course he started out with a 35mil inheritance.
There is where I fall short.
My inheritance has been an old chest with nothing in it and when my grandma dies I'll probably get some cash from her house which in total will sell for $10k if we're lucky!! :)
 

stosh

Darth Bailer
Jul 20, 2001
22,248
408
NY
N8 said:
Funny when Architecture is something that can only thrive in a capitalist/my building is bigger/better/more funky than your building society.
Thats not really true, and thats not really what architecture is. Architecture can be as small as a gazebo.
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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stosh said:
Thats not really true, and thats not really what architecture is. Architecture can be as small as a gazebo.

But who is gonna pay big $'s for an Architect designed gazebo?


A rich capitalist!
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Sleazattle
stosh said:
There is where I fall short.
My inheritance has been an old chest with nothing in it and when my grandma dies I'll probably get some cash from her house which in total will sell for $10k if we're lucky!! :)
I inherited a dog that costs me money.