[bullcrew]

I saw a Slash on the easiest gear the other day! So many large pulley wheels aligned below the chainstay was an amazing sight

Well carbon one is here Tuesday...so I'll put it in the stand , put it in different gears and sit on my little park tools stool while I revel in all that is going on glory!



If you skated you will know!

On another note Steve texted me up to go see him play the other night..skates amazing always has, rides solid and jams...dude loves life ..
..good music , reminds me of green day and old school style surf punks and a few others of that skate era.

 

[bullcrew]

So now gen 6 carbon slash is in the mix for side by side again ..doing Zeb ultimate and vivid ultimate on it to start I have rfx38 and ttx22m for it already sitting here ..

 

[bullcrew]

Got a solid ride on it today
Pedals up a bit better than the nomad but this could because of the vivid shock and pedal assist..I turned it off and pedalled, it was less flighty on steeps ..more numb in rocks hands down I think the nomad is better and mx style drifting...the slash is good but the nomads flat control behind rear, just seems to be a little more solid on drifts..more mx style...but the slash is faster in chunk.

 

[bullcrew]

90* in shade no shade, lost water bottle on first 2 miles of up hill and rutty downhill...walked a smidge of hill took 3 breaks ..

So no assessment on how it does the nomad loop...I cut out valley due to no water and temp.

Was leg day yesterday at gym and ride hills in the evening...
So rockshox Zeb chatters on really high speed shit causing me to loose focus and the fork is all open...it's fine on slightly bigger rocks , vivid was good ..opened up everything on Zeb and it was crap added some platform and it was crap...works on everything till 30+ in rocks and doll heads then it's all over, thought I was going to wash out , couldn't focus and or slow down wheels spent too much rime off ground...it was walking on tops of rocks and not tracking , like a Ridgid bike....so I'll try dialing it in retune charger and worst case is it gets the ohlins..

 

[Happymtb.fr]

So rockshox Zeb chatters on really high speed shit causing me to loose focus and the fork is all open...

It probably needs a good old reaming? Sounds like tight bushing to me

 

[Jm_]

Sounds like a Rock Shox.

 

[bullcrew]

It probably needs a good old reaming? Sounds like tight bushing to me

On the lighter side I can't seem to pedal past 37.4 mph. Same speed in the rocks and chatter..


I'll tear it down today and do it....it was so damn tight I am not shitting when I say past 30mph in chatter and rocks you can't stop , you can't turn it's barely a controlled chaos . Total SHIT .. If it's not bushings then for sure it's high speed circuit sucks major balls ...retune...

 

[bullcrew]

Sounds like a Rock Shox.

Headed to down to the bench and burnishing bushings .14 then I'll run it..of it's shit then the stack on compression is getting opened up..

Yeah that was literally luck not overshooting the side, it comes down and swings left... It was walking towards the edge as I was trying to get any bite . Haven't been that out of control and time to think about it in a long time lol.. was refreshing got me a bit excited.

Buddy said to go after the mid speed stack..he's familiar with rockshox.

 

[bullcrew]

.1 was tight so I ran it through first then finished off with .14...now pulling damper apart to see what I need to remove or replace.

So instead of 7wt 30cst/100* I did ohlins 5wt 19cst/100*
Fork is smooth as hell now so tomorrow I'll adjust it and take it riding same spot.. my guess is I'll need to up settings to address the thinner oil but flow y will be better and high speed won't engage as harsh...

 

[Jm_]

I know with the Charger 2.1, a common mod was to replace the midvalve spring with a lighter one.

 

[bullcrew]

I know with the Charger 2.1, a common mod was to replace the midvalve spring with a lighter one.

That's the next step ..I went to see the internals and get a good look to see which ones my victim..

They just redid the whole stack across the board on 3.1 because everyone had everything wide open

 

[Happymtb.fr]

I know with the Charger 2.1, a common mod was to replace the midvalve spring with a lighter one.

Interesting!
Where do you get a lighter spring from?

 

[Jm_]

Interesting!
Where do you get a lighter spring from?

Diaz I think

 

[bullcrew]

Jm_ is right I think Diaz does and I think Steve at vorsprung has a set as well...I've seen pre done stacks, that may be the way to go if I don't have any in the box...

 

[Happymtb.fr]

Thanks guys!
I am in Europe, anything from the US is gonna be expensive... I can check with the local distributors for Vorsprung if they have something.

 

[bullcrew]

I'll see if I can get you a stack numbers for it...I need to see where I'm going with mine and I can address 2.1 at same time

 

[toodles]

Thanks guys!
I am in Europe, anything from the US is gonna be expensive... I can check with the local distributors for Vorsprung if they have something.

Diaz offers free shipping worldwide but don't have their shim kits listed on the site at the moment.

 

[Jm_]

Diaz offers free shipping worldwide but don't have their shim kits listed on the site at the moment.

I remember there was something funky/not-obvious about their shim kit on the site, it didn't normally show up and you had to do some wizardry to make it. That said, I'm not convinced it helps a bunch, there was a conversation it goes in the opposite direction for what's needed...but the lighter midvalve spring is a little more sure bet....but still not huge.

 

[bullcrew]

And them already

Podium Piston Kit - RS Charger3 RC2

Podium Piston Kits - better flow, better performance! High flow piston and shim tuning kit to give you more grip, more control and ultimately, faster segments! CNC machined aerospace-grade aluminium and hard anodised piston, along with high-grade valving shims and an uprated IFP spring. As...

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[bullcrew]

I went to a 19 CST from a 30 oil.
Hit the bushings to .14 (even though it'll spring back a smidge..

Low speed compression circuit makes a noise from fluid now ( not when fully open or closed) but I assume it's flow and lack of restriction through it. .I'll ride it this evening same spot that brings the BS...

Worst case is I slap the ohlins on and move forward.

 

[Happymtb.fr]

And them already

Podium Piston Kit - RS Charger3 RC2

Podium Piston Kits - better flow, better performance! High flow piston and shim tuning kit to give you more grip, more control and ultimately, faster segments! CNC machined aerospace-grade aluminium and hard anodised piston, along with high-grade valving shims and an uprated IFP spring. As...

wps-mtb.com

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Thanks, my fork has Charger 2.1... I know I live in the past. Cranky old guys rule, isn't it?

 

[sethimus]

Thanks, my fork has Charger 2.1... I know I live in the past. Cranky old guys rule, isn't it?

Charger 2 (2.1) Tuning - m-suspensiontech GmbH

www.m-suspensiontech.com

read up on them, lots of germans use their services

 

[Jm_]

Thanks, my fork has Charger 2.1... I know I live in the past. Cranky old guys rule, isn't it?

2.1 works better than 3

 

[Happymtb.fr]

Charger 2 (2.1) Tuning - m-suspensiontech GmbH

www.m-suspensiontech.com

read up on them, lots of germans use their services

I will check, thanks!
I almost bought a cartridge for the Yari to replace a Splug from Novyparts. Mario just took ages to answer, when he did I had fully rebuild the fork and it felt pretty good again.

2.1 works better than 3

Yes, RS tends to make new versions of things for the sake of newness rather than for improvement...

 

[bullcrew]

Well fork worked WAY better
But front end twisted when I took ass end 90* on a whip and threw front down to ride out...lmao

The bushes pushed back, I was throwing it into a bunch of bushes, they didn't move lol...front came into a run on kitty litter and twisted up..

BUT IT WAS A GREAT WHIP!!!!So there's that.

SUPER GLUE TIME!!! lol

 

[Nick]

Oof!

 

[Jm_]

Meh, didn't even cut a tendon. I'd post mine...and I think I did a long time ago, but it'd gross everyone out. Get some stitches tho! Super-glue will lock in bacteria which can cause infection.

 

[bullcrew]

Meh, didn't even cut a tendon. I'd post mine...and I think I did a long time ago, but it'd gross everyone out. Get some stitches tho! Super-glue will lock in bacteria which can cause infection.

Cleaned it and just going to pack it since I have front squats in the morning and training .yeah usually flap skin over and glue it back...done it several times...no infection yet , but I also don't wash my hands after pushing Walmart carts while eating grapes and gross my wife out...so I'm good to travel the world with this kind of immunity..

 

[jstuhlman]

Cleaned it and just going to pack it since I have front squats in the morning and training .yeah usually flap skin over and glue it back...done it several times...no infection yet , but I also don't wash my hands after pushing Walmart carts while eating grapes and gross my wife out...so I'm good to travel the world with this kind of immunity..

ooooh...a man after my own "wrap it and forget it" heart. did this about a mile in a few years ago...photo is after the next 14 miles at the end of the ride. still have a big dent in the top of the ole knee...

 

[bullcrew]

ooooh...a man after my own "wrap it and forget it" heart. did this about a mile in a few years ago...photo is after the next 14 miles at the end of the ride. still have a big dent in the top of the ole knee...

Hell yes!!!
It's still connected so it's still good to go!!!

Still say to get my kids "rub some dirt on it!"

Yeah knees are the one spot that sucks but I swear has very little nerves left after all the years of crashing and skateboarding..

 

[bullcrew]

Gratuitous FAT chunk shot! Lol

 

[bullcrew]

I was tired going into today...Friday ran 7.5 miles then HIIT, sat hiked 6.5 miles to swimming hole in 102 degree heat then rode 8 miles of hills and today 10.3 miles...

That said the nomad still climbed better



Setups:
Nomad/o-chain 6*/ohlins ttx22mm coil/mullet 32/52
Slash/vivid air with lockout/mullet/32/52

Climbing: nomad even with coil and O-chain
Even locked out nomad climbs a bit better..

Flat: draw

Downhill: slash handles chunk even on brakes or walks through crap
Nomad is phenomenal with o-chain, some feedback when on brak a and high speed doll heads..let off brakes and it blows..slash plows either way

Cornering: nomad is more of a ripper like MX style
Slash is fast in corners and requires just a little different weight load, where nomad you lay back and dig in

 

[Andeh]

@bullcrew did you ever upgrade the Zeb to 3.1? I'm wondering what you noticed with that. I just did on one of my forks and was surprised at the difference.

 

[bullcrew]

@bullcrew did you ever upgrade the Zeb to 3.1? I'm wondering what you noticed with that. I just did on one of my forks and was surprised at the difference.

I did and now instead of being all the way open on all circuits I now have room either way...so I'm a few clicks from wide open and can go either way and be comfortable...they definitely corrected the issue from the 3....

Also I burnished bushings .14

If you have the charger 3 drop oil weight from 7wt 30cst to a solid 5 wt 19 CST..I did ohlins 5 wt, burnish bushings to .14 and it moved really well...

 

[Andeh]

I did and now instead of being all the way open on all circuits I now have room either way...so I'm a few clicks from wide open and can go either way and be comfortable...they definitely corrected the issue from the 3....

Also I burnished bushings .14

If you have the charger 3 drop oil weight from 7wt 30cst to a solid 5 wt 19 CST..I did ohlins 5 wt, burnish bushings to .14 and it moved really well...

Yeah, from middle I was -4 on LSC -1 HSC, now running -4 LSC -0 HSC. Was running 3 clicks faster rebound than chart/app, now only running 2 clicks faster. The quicker transition from comp to rebound is pretty noticeable to me, and I think the best part to making it feel a lot more supple.

 

[canadmos]

@bullcrew how much air pressure is in your zeb?

 

[bullcrew]

@bullcrew how much air pressure is in your zeb?

What did you set yours up with?
Use, your weight, thoughts and or anything you can see you don't like or love???

I'll check it this morning, I was playing with it on trail..hit a section and redo settings a little...I need to write them down I have a little sticker machine I print them on a decal and stick to top tube...usually 2 settings a rocky course setting and a flowy jump style...fork psi, air pressure in tires are on all it as well as shock settings
..

I need to check so thanks for reminding me...still some more dialing in but the PSI is pretty close to all around usable.

That said I'm staying higher PSI it seems to really like that spot, jumps well and stays tracking better than the 3 did...

 

[canadmos]

I think I have about 82-84psi in mine.

Mine is the charger 3 damper, though.

I love the traction and feel of mine right now, except for when braking hard into corners. It feels like the fork dives a little.

I ran higher air pressure last summer mostly, but often it felt a little harsh.

Was thinking of maybe going up a few psi and reducing the low speed compression. Right now LSC is +1 from center. Also running 1 click of HSC.

And yeah I've been trying to really keep the pressure in my tires steady, I usually aim for 20 in front and 25 in the back.

 

[canadmos]

For the fork feeling like it's diving in corners, one other thought I had is maybe it's not the fork so much, but might be related to my weight simply being flung too far forward?

I currently have a 50mm stem on the bike and the frame is pretty long, so maybe even going down in stem length might help a little, without having to change the fork?

 

[Andeh]

For the fork feeling like it's diving in corners, one other thought I had is maybe it's not the fork so much, but might be related to my weight simply being flung too far forward?

I currently have a 50mm stem on the bike and the frame is pretty long, so maybe even going down in stem length might help a little, without having to change the fork?

How much rebound are you running relative to what Trailhead app says for your pressure? It's weird but I find that running the rebound fast (2-3 clicks faster than Trailhead rec) on 3.0 & 3.1 helps quite a bit on dive. Also feels like you need to run LSC at least between middle and 1/4 open. I'm running both my Zebs with 0 tokens and had to add 2-4 psi vs. what Trailhead says to not be undersprung. I wasn't bottoming out at stock pressure with 0 tokens, but was somewhere over 20% sag.