Because Shimano realised that gravel bikes are the new fat bike and people no longer give a fuck about them?
New Saint. Finally.
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It's simply down to Shimano's in built minimum 4 year upgrade route. GRX has always been a step behind DuraAce/Ulegra AND two behind XT/XTR
The best thing about Di2 has always been the front mech's function and it's integration.
Running Di2 single ring is just expense and faff for no real benefit over mechanical IMO
The best thing about Di2 has always been the front mech's function and it's integration.
Running Di2 single ring is just expense and faff for no real benefit over mechanical IMO
Are you saying that mechanical XT and XTR will be 13 speed ?
No love for Hone?So Deore LX from 1995 is coming back? is STX-RC coming back too?
No, I'm saying mechanical XT and XTR are walking the Saint walk.Are you saying that mechanical XT and XTR will be 13 speed ?
OK, so if I got this right :
'25 XTR/XT/LX/ESSA : electronic 13 speed
'25 XTR/XT : mechanical 12 speed unchanged, except new crankset shape and 160mm arms for XT
'25 SAINT : unchanged since 2012
'25 SLX : gone
'25 Deore : no changes for next year
Does that sound right?
GOOD!
We don't need the Idiots at WCs still fitting 11spd chains and seeing them snapping given anything moar technical to do
Nope.
XTR/XT will be 13-speed, wireless. They will both have XC (lighter RD, 10-45 cassettes, 2-pot calipers, twin-tube brake levers) and enduro (longer cage RD, 10-52 cassettes, four-pot calipers, three-tube brake levers) versions.
LX will be 13-speed wireless, and 12-speed mechanical.
Saint will disappear
SLX will be gone.
Deore is also kaputt (replaced by CUES).
ESSA is an 8-speed groupset, aimed at city bikes. It will have wired, wireless and autonomous (i.e. shifterless) versions.
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That's what I saw for top three tiers in MTB. Maybe the CUES stuff will be upgraded to be 12-speed compatible?
wait, LX is coming back?
I do not want 13 speed MTB gearing (or on anything else). I'd probably be okay with 11 speed still with sufficient gear range.
Me neither. Give me a 10 speed 11-51 and I'll be happy forever. I have 9 speed Microshift 12-48 (edit : 11-46) on my commuter bike and the tooth distribution between gears is better than the 8 spd Acolyte I had before. 10 speed would be perfect, but now I have switched to 12 spd everything except the commuter.
At 12spd I thought they were a bit pushing it, but 13 is just plain stupid IMO.
At 12spd I thought they were a bit pushing it, but 13 is just plain stupid IMO.
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Do you have a super hilly commute? Or carry a lot? ? What chainring and wheelsize do you find those jumps and range good for when commuting? Personally I'd be expecting to wear out the 11 & 13t sprockets way ahead of the rest of the cassette and barely ever go anywhere near the dinnerplateasaurus 51t.
Everyone's commute is different granted.
It' basically a flat 4km part and then an 80m elevation gain in 1km and I carry a 20lbs backpack on my double Magic Mary 26" hardtail.
I only did it twice so far (used to walk it), but with my 32t oval ring, I'm using the 37t and 46t cog to go up, but the rest is mainly on the 13t and 15t I'd guess.
Just stockpile shit now. By the time you run out we will all be about those Pinion electric gearboxes.
Yeah I thought that I could use a gravel 12sp cassette on a Microspline hub, but no, coz Shimano.
10-45t 12 speed Microspline cassette was what I ended up with. Will be interesting to see how the Microspline freehub holds up compared to a Titanium HG.
meant to post this a couple days ago... on pinkbike they posted an interview with Bryn Atkinson Shimano product manager for mtb drivetrain Nick Murdick. confirmed that the next gen saint grouppo is still under active development.
Please tell me it uses MicroSpline 2.0.
Well. Let's see if it actually gets manufactured and distributed. I'm a Saint fan.
I remember my lower pulley broke off. Saint rear der. Didn't even notice. Until back in the garage at home. A couple days later. Noting that something didn't seem right. But it still shifted and worked good enough for DH.
And Shimano warrantied it. Pretty freaking cool.
I remember my lower pulley broke off. Saint rear der. Didn't even notice. Until back in the garage at home. A couple days later. Noting that something didn't seem right. But it still shifted and worked good enough for DH.
And Shimano warrantied it. Pretty freaking cool.
It's a pretty good listen. Other than when Bryn goes full ham on autoshifting ebikes. Or was that about Mik?
mik was onboard with autoshift for some reason. bryn was all over gearboxes. interesting chat, tho
It's a pretty good listen. Other than when Bryn goes full ham on autoshifting ebikes. Or was that about Mik?
"And so you have to accept where you're going to end up on the compromise and having a firm initial bite in a brake, because we developed it for racers who wanted to be able to brake as late as possible and accepting some inconsistency in the bite point in order to be able to deliver that "
ahahaha lol wut
Probably also have to just accept that weeping piston seals from not riding a few days means you just need to ride constantly, day and night.
That freeshift stuff looks pretty cool.
That doesn't make any sense even by bike industry standards of not making any sense.
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