Was there anything about this being caused by no brakes?
New Saint. Finally.
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Yeah Gwin basically said he grabbed brake and it went to bar or something like that. But real racers that demand the best brakes are willing to accept some bite point inconsistency. Gwin just isn't on their level according to Shimanoguy
I’m fine with non bike people designing some bike things.
Moving hydraulic fluid down a hose in a consistent manner, with no leaking doesn’t need any bike knowledge.
How the brake lever attaches to the bars, and how the lever feels, that could do with some riding based experience. Even then, id rather have good engineers, working with good riders, rather than sticking to a “riders only” mentality.
But any dipshit who rides a bike can design better brakes. We just choose not to, for reasons and stuff.
I've done that before! Came out of a corner into a creek gap step down too hot, tapped the brakes and they pulled to the bar. Overshot the landing to a very hard flat/uphill and hyperextended both ankles. Going on 12 years later they still don't have the flexibility they once did and still ache in the cold. Haha classic Shimano, still up to their same old tricks!
But seriously, fuck them.
word on the street is that the new saint brakes are floating around world champs this weekend.... will keep an eye out for pics
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Already saw that. Someone else mentioned it might be unveiled in a more official capacity, but we'll see.
Seems they still have that same shit clamp setup.
I hope Beast Components email them again to tell them how stupid the design is.
German subtlety is the best subtlety.
EDIT- Clamp like the XTs, not the old Saints.
I hope Beast Components email them again to tell them how stupid the design is.
German subtlety is the best subtlety.
EDIT- Clamp like the XTs, not the old Saints.
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Curious, why do you think it is a shit clamp?
are you guys talking about the 'push-button' not really a split clamp design?
The proto brakes making the rounds have the clamp design of the newer (7100/8100/9100) brakes that brace against the bar. I've had zero issues with that design and it adds stiffness over the older clamp designs.
I do. Any lever that you can't remove without also taking off a grip, shifter, dropper lever etc CAN GO IN THE GARBAGE.
Anything besides a grip that goes onto a handlebar (shifter, brake, dropper remote) should have a split perch.
mmmmm, perch
mmmmm, perch
You are correct, I forgot that thing has no goddamn point at all.
Brain fart. I think I might try drilling one out.
It's the same three-tube design as the 2025 XT and XTR brakes I saw in Shimano's tech preview documents. Truly hideous.@jonKranked
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Mainly for carbon bars.
This is with 4Nm clamping force, which I'd hope nobody would do-
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It's just brakes, not a work of art.
Hopefully shimano now anodised the inside of the lever, solve the moving bite point, put better seal on the pistons of the caliper and/or get rid of the ceramic piston.
That would make pretty good brakes, wouldn't it?
If you think Shimano's brakes are truly hideous, wait til you see a set of bagpipes in person
Newsflash: Santa Claus are your parents.It's just brakes, not a work of art.
Hopefully shimano now anodised the inside of the lever, solve the moving bite point, put better seal on the pistons of the caliper and/or get rid of the ceramic piston.
That would make pretty good brakes, wouldn't it?
that’s when you people lift up your skirts, right?
I get that it’s a poor design from shimano and Sram, but running lightweight carbon bars and over tightening everything is also a bad idea.Mainly for carbon bars.
This is with 4Nm clamping force, which I'd hope nobody would do-
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A handlebar is one of the last places on a bike I’d try to save weight. It has multiple items clamped to it, and is a giant lever with my body weight pushing and pulling on it. If your bar can be crushed by a lever clamp what chance does it have hitting the deck?
I wonder if they now put 2-3 years ago announced Saint flat pedals for sale. Shimano is moving at the same pace as Earth's continents. I’m dead when the next-generation Saint will be on the market in 2080.
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When I first got my old Syntace Vector carbon bars I always thought they should have put the same titanium mesh reinforcement into the brake and shifter mount areas they do on the stem clamp area. With most grips being single clamp, they could leave it a couple cm's short to account for trimming.
/end armchair engineer mode.
Aside from cranks and a mech, has any other Saint part been worth purchasing?
I may have had two bad Zees but the clutches didn't seem to last very long, from what I read it was the same clutch as the Saint.
The Saint ran for years without needing adjusting.
Maybe.
I have a few Zee mechs still in use and a couple I bought as spares but still haven't needed to fit. The Zee mech on my Emtb must've done close to 30000miles. Clutch still going strong despite never having been adjusted or serviced.
That'll be that jinxed now. lol
My Saint mechs have been solid. The pivots got a bit loose after three years or so, but that's kind of expected.