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New thought on Iran Nuke Issue

Ok, I'd like to believe I'm an opened minded person that likes to look at all sides of any given situation. So, in doing some research on the whole Iranian nuke issue, I found this article.

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=88307

This paragraph is what really got me to thinking:

IT’S LEGITIMATE: Iran has a legitimate economic case for using nuclear power, and the means to manufacture the necessary fuel domestically. It also has the legal right to do so. But the US and the European Union demand that Iran and other countries abandon any indigenous capabilities and rely solely on western fuel suppliers to power their economy.... Under the guise of non-proliferation, the EU and the US also want to create an underclass of nuclear energy have-nots, concentrating what could become the world’s sole major source of energy in the hands of the few nations that have granted themselves the right to it. Iran presents a convenient opportunity to set a precedent to be used against other aspirants for nuclear power in the developing world.

Now think about the recent State of the Union Speech where Bush denounces America's dependency on foreign oil and that it needs to find alternate solutions. Suddenly, there's a complete and opposite side to the story beyond the *bomb* issue with Iran. It's all about the money trail and long term planning for both power/supremacy and NPT control. My understanding of this comment is that eventually, as we all believe, the world's oil reserves will become depleted. Suddenly, the balance of who supplies the world's power needs is SERIOUSLY reversed. No longer will the middle east have the bargaining chip it once had with world opinion. Why wouldn't the US, EU and Russia want to be in this position? (Not to mention the idea of the "current" Iran having a nuke is just a bad idea.) Now some I'm sure will argue that this is exactly why Ahmadinejad is so vociferous at the moment. He's trying to gain as much economic compromise from the West as possible.

So, is Ahmadinejad the crazy nut job that everyone (including myself) is making him out to be?

Tough questions to ponder....

*I didn't put this out there as an opportunity to bash Bush, the US, the EU, Iran or anyone else, so maybe we can stay on topic in this thread and discuss the issues without the rhetoric? Somehow I doubt it, but I thought I'd ask.*
 

ohio

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That is an interesting take, thanks for posting. While I disagree with the author's take on Western motivations, he is somewhat correct in the effects. Except it's very clear in this case that Iran is aiming for nuclear weaponry, not energy, and it's also very clear that we're pretty happy to help them obtain the energy capability. Sure, we want to keep a handle on the technology ourselves... but if Iran were truly hoping to develop an energy source, they would be happy to accept that as a starting point, especially because it would advance them a few decades ahead of where they are now.
 
Hmmm..looks like Iran has stepped back up to the barganing table. Bidding for time, or potential consession? Only time will tell...


IRANIANS IN MOSCOW TO TALK NUKES
Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - FreeMarketNews.com

A delegation from Iran has arrived in Moscow to discuss a compromise deal on Iran’s uranium enrichment program. According to a story in Moscow News, Russia has offered to enrich the uranium Iran needs for nuclear power stations on Russian soil, in order to sidestep international concerns about Tehran diverting the material for bomb-making. Iran is reportedly open to the proposal, provided that certain conditions are agreed to.

Such an agreement would avoid a confrontation with United Nations representatives threatening sanctions against Iran, with a meeting slated for March 6th. "If the Russian plan, with supplementary indicators, leads to a comprehensive proposal, then we could say it will have Iran’s interest," Iranian foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki reportedly said. "The partners in the plan, the duration of the project, location of enrichment and consensus of all related parties would be significant to Iran."

Hosseinitash, meanwhile, was quoted as saying that Iran "would not reject its legal right to possess peaceful nuclear technologies," and declared there was "no connection between the moratorium for uranium enrichment and the negotiations in Moscow." - ST
 

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My Nuts Are Flat
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Last I heard, they were demanding 20 reactors or something???

If they do indeed take this deal, maybe we were all wrong all along, and they really did only want power (I find it hard to believe but....)
 

jimmydean

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Didn't they say last year that they wanted weapons for defence against the US?

If I recall, there was talk by them that they feared (for good reason) that the US would soon invade and if they had nukes as a defence, it might prevent that.

I know a lot of people say that even if they build a warhead that they still lack a delivery method. Maybe it's just me and my warped mind, but I would think it wouldn't be hard to load a warhead into cargo, ship it to Mexico, put it in the truck of a cab, drive it to DC, park it on Dupont Circle and BOOM.
 
jimmydean said:
...I know a lot of people say that even if they build a warhead that they still lack a delivery method. Maybe it's just me and my warped mind, but I would think it wouldn't be hard to load a warhead into cargo, ship it to Mexico, put it in the truck of a cab, drive it to DC, park it on Dupont Circle and BOOM.
Yeah, and since the Pres is talking about letting port security be turned over to the UAE, it would seem all the easier.

Anyway, here's some info on Iran's missile capability. I read somewhere over the weekend that Iran has the potential to have an operational Shahab-6 by 2010. While it would lack the capability to hit the US, Europe would certainly be in the cross hairs.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/missile/
 

Changleen

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1) Remember the recent Cleric's fatwa that it's OK to own/use nukes.
2) They have restarted reprocessing Uranium in their own centrifuges.
3) Whilst they are engaged in 'positive' negotations with the West and Russia, there will be little to no pressure to stop the reprocessing.
4) These negotiations will take a long time. I'm sure the centrifuges are running 24/7.
5) I'm sure Iran would be willing to negotiate and pay for a couple of genuine nuclear reactors and their fule from Russia in order to draw attention from their reprocessing activities.

The fact is they are currently able to move towards a bomb and the media is focussed on the development that they are re-entering negotiations. They ARE legally and morally entitled to nuclear energy, but they are also legally committed to the NPT, as much as that means. As far as Iran is now concerned they are winning on both fronts.
 

Changleen

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Here:

Meanwhile, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has declined to label the talks a failure.

"I would be cautious about using the term 'failure' or 'setback' while the negotiations continue," he said.

Russia's offer has been backed by the United States and the European Union as the final opportunity to ease international concerns over Iran's nuclear program without seeking sanctions.

But Iran has insisted on maintaining a domestic enrichment effort.

The head of the Iranian delegation in Moscow, deputy secretary of the Supreme National Security Council Ali Hosseinitash, took a tough stance before Monday's meeting, rejecting any link between the Russian plan and demands for Iran to restore a freeze on uranium enrichment that it broke last month.

He said that Iran did not intend to renounce its right to produce nuclear fuel domestically.

Iran's Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki meanwhile, reaffirmed that Tehran would continue its nuclear research, even if it accepts Russia's enrichment offer.
 

valve bouncer

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You can bet that the Russians will be fighting tooth and nail to make a deal. It will help them regain some prestige and relevance if they can suceed where the EU and the US have failed. I wonder if any possible deal might include the sweetener of an arms deal.
 

Changleen

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valve bouncer said:
You can bet that the Russians will be fighting tooth and nail to make a deal. It will help them regain some prestige and relevance if they can suceed where the EU and the US have failed. I wonder if any possible deal might include the sweetener of an arms deal.
The Russinas JUST sold them a whole bunch of missile defence stuff. The issue is entirely based on whether or not Iran continues it's own enrichment. Currently they are.