What are the benefits, or drawbacks of each?
New Vanilla Dh vs Pushed RC
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but aside from the adjustments, anyone have first hand experience with the ride quality of each?
Why not go off and have Darren 'push' your dhx? 
I think I remember reading something about that somewhere.
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http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93501&page=4&highlight=dhx
I think I remember reading something about that somewhere.
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http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93501&page=4&highlight=dhx
Joey said:Why not go off and have Darren 'push' your dhx?
I think I remember reading something about that somewhere.
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http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93501&page=4&highlight=dhx
I have not rode a push yet but I have a DHX and I think its the best Shock ever. I have ridden the progressive and well they pedal well I hate the dead feeling they have. With the fox it is lively and also very adjustable. Like bottom out control and the adjustablity of the propedal which can adjust the liviness of it. It is just an awesome shock.
I give the shock the thumbs up on my 5spot. I cannot compare it against a pushed shock, but as mentioned before the DHX is more adjustable. The propedal is pretty much on the fly adjustable, and the bottom out can be dialed too pretty easy.
Now a pushed DHX...thats gonna be one ripping upgrade.....
Now a pushed DHX...thats gonna be one ripping upgrade.....
for a DHR it does - since it can't take the stock reservoir of the DHXJuano said:
So why even bother to share if you have no base for that comment?Juano said:
"Magic" is the best way I can describe the Push treatment. I had zero problems with the stock 3 year old Vanilla RC on my RFX, which I later found out to be blown. It felt great to me. Then I bought a custom-valved Romic with the BBT (big boy treatment) and the OMG (oh my gosh) special ordered speed sensitive valving and it was something to behold. More control, much better pedalling, real adjustments etc. Then for fun I sent my Vanilla RC to Darren at Push for one of his first publicly-available full race works treatments in January. I was and still am blown away! MORE control, BETTER pedalling, and yet MUCH MORE responsive to smaller bumps. "Magic" is all I can say, because I don't know how you can accomplish all that at once. So there's my base for my comments.
The PUSH compaired to the DHX??????????? Lets give them 2 full seasons each before determining this answer. So far the PUSH upgrades appear to be holding up well, the DHX is WAY too new to even say its the best shock or as good as a PUSH shock. Remember kiddies, Romic was all that and a bag of chips for a while when it first came out.
There are some people who have had the DHX for most of the season alreadyBrian HCM#1 said:The PUSH compaired to the DHX??????????? Lets give them 2 full seasons each before determining this answer. So far the PUSH upgrades appear to be holding up well, the DHX is WAY too new to even say its the best shock or as good as a PUSH shock. Remember kiddies, Romic was all that and a bag of chips for a while when it first came out.
Thats SOME people, there are not a lot of them out yet. :eviltongusyadasti said:There are some people who have had the DHX for most of the season already
Same for Avalanche.Brian HCM#1 said:Remember kiddies, Romic was all that and a bag of chips for a while when it first came out.
Not to say their track records are even close to comparible, but nothing is perfect and no one shock will ever be the best for everyone. Just too many variable and preferences to throw out blanket statements like those.
Push isn't perfect, mine blew out at Whistler. But before that I had no complaints, it was awesome.
the dhx is huge improvement on vanilla rc - but still being a mass made shock with manufacturing costs having to be kept in check - to meet with OEM spec pricing there will be always be room for improvement. The costs and quality of the parts in the push shocks is way more than the stock fox parts - and for people who take riding seriosly it is worth the money to get the better performance out of the parts and more importantly the custom tuning push does for the individual rider and bike its for. So as good as the DHX is - it allows for even more tuning and improvement as it is in a much bigger package. if anything push is helping fox sell more shocks as people actually want a fox now cause it can be pushed!
there will always be suspension tweeks and custom tuning, weither its worth it depens on the rider....
Thats not my point, if you look at Avalanches their failure rate are very seldom, true there are not as many Avys as there are Fox's or Romics, but if you look at the whole picture Avalanches are probably the most durable shock on the market, but yes Avys aren't for everyone or evey bike.Bulldog said:Same for Avalanche.
my friend has a 5th element and his brother a a DHX and from what iv heard from them the 5th pedels better but the DHX is super plush. But I havnt heard of it compaired to a vanillia rc.
That's the longest sentence I've ever seen you type...Brian HCM#1 said:
I think the PUSH was a good upgrade over the stock RC I had. Buuuut... since Avy has been brought up, it definitely blows the PUSH away. Can't comment on the DHX, but the PUSH, you know what they say: You can only polish a turd so much, right?
Ummm... Does that really work? Hold on a second...DLo said:You can only polish a turd so much, right?
words of wisdom.....DBrian HCM#1 said:
Nobody mentioned the actual Vanilla DH with resevoir...or is that because it never really took off the ground.
because it was a Vanilla RC with a giant reservoirChrisRobin said:
I still wonder why it never worked properly...you read the descriptions and what it can do (or what it's supposed to do), it sounds pretty good. Maybe a headache for production?
why would we discuss prototypes?syadasti said:
zedro said:
Because we have nothing better to do...
Did you get your shock yet?
I never saw the ones on the Konas up close but Fox was selling them aftermarket. They weren't just remote reservoirs. They were the same thing as the AVA air chamber. You could adjust air volume and pressure on the reservoir thereby adjusting progressiveness. I guess that's the one you meant? They were available to non-super special team types as well.syadasti said:
I'm actually wondering, exactly how much does a Vanilla RC go for these days?Bulldog said:I agree. A used/beat/blown Fox Vanilla RC has never been worth so much before!
I've got a brand new Vanilla RC, but I was considering selling it and getting either a 5th, a DHX, OR Push-ing it, or simply riding it 'til it dies.
They're still the same price they've always been. Unless you have a bike with a falling progression rate like a bullit, don't worry about a new shock. A propedal vanilla RC is awesome. It's lighter than almost everything else as well.......definitely lighter than a dhx.azonicbruce said:
yup, and spent two days doing a total rebuild of the bike and re-fitting the linkage. Took it out sunday and i'm pretty happy, although i'm still trying to tune it. Biggest diff is how it actually lets the suspension track medium sized hits, and does a damn good job for droppy-type deals. The hardest part is actually dialing the rebound properly, because the old sit-down test doesnt apply, and the rebound adj. so effective that i'm adjusting between clicks as well. Another thing is trying to get the bike more supple on the high-frequency/low amplitude stuff (stutter-stuff), but i have a feeling that could be a limitation of the bike as far as linkage design or simply the large inertia of that massive swingarm. I'm gonna start looking at a complete linkage mod again, see if i can free things up.ChrisRobin said:
But overall the bike is handling alot better, just gotta get things dialed.
just get an avy
Let's not forget that a serious percentage of riders fall for the placebo effect.zedro said:
there will always be suspension tweeks and custom tuning, weither its worth it depens on the rider....
yes, but comprehension matters too.dan-o said:
I got that part too. The DHX offers a range of adjustabilty not possible on the pushed RC while having the advantage of being a new design versus a band-aid on an outdated one. Could Push improve the DHX? Maybe, but that wasn't the post topic was it.zedro said: