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Ok all you libs and socialist, I know very little about this press - clue me in -
http://www.usnews.com/.\
Comments - esp on economics.
http://www.usnews.com/.\
Comments - esp on economics.
You need a lot more help than RM can provide. Sorry to be the voice of harsh reality.
*raises teh fistifuriously*
oops, forgot about blue
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And don't forget about us red, pinko Canadians....
WTF? I've been educating myself solely based on post I read in PAWN. I had thought I was gaining insight and worldliness.
I had almost convinced a local college to convert my postings and reading of post into a poly sci degree.
Goddamn it, JD. Way to ruin my dreams!
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So would you all view their economics section as reputable?
I'd expect them to have free market analysis over a pro-regulation analysis, but they are a mainstream paper, they aren't like the NY Post or anything.
If you want to post an article from there, just do it.
If you are looking for a well-respected magazine that will probably be better on economics than U.S News, go with The Economist. They are definitely conservative leaning though, and have published articles supporting the Iraq War and white-knighting Pinochet.
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Posting away my brother.
Attack at will.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/2/14/obamas-trillion-dollar-spending-plan.html
Is this guy pretty right on or has Obama changed his tune form this ideal. This is from February.
More up to date info on rightchange.
First off, have you read Obama's blueprint for change? In it, he explains in detail what his plans are. If you want to criticize his policies, it is only fair that you read the PDF, instead of getting information about it from the opposition.
If I want to find out McCain's plans for social security, I go to his website, not to dailykos
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf
If I want to find out McCain's plans for social security, I go to his website, not to dailykos
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf
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So can you comment on the article I linked or the "rightchange.com" site.
I do have the pdf but it has changed twice - i need to download the latest.
Alright, for the first site
For the first point, it completely ignores the huge amount of savings that will come from getting out of Iraq, and focuses only on repealing the Bush tax cuts.
"2) Obama clearly advocates jacking up payroll taxes as a way of creating long-term solvency for Social Security."
I haven't seen anything from the Obama campaign showing that they want to raise payroll taxes, and getting out of Iraq will free up ****loads of money.
For RightChange, all you have to do is look at their citations. They cite biased articles from Murdoch owned publications as "proof" http://www.rightchange.com/citations.php
edit: RightChange is a 527, which are used to smear candidates and get around contribution rules. The Swiftboating lies were done by a 527. Taking what a 527 says seriously is asking to be tricked, they are basically a right wing version of moveon.org
For the first point, it completely ignores the huge amount of savings that will come from getting out of Iraq, and focuses only on repealing the Bush tax cuts.
"2) Obama clearly advocates jacking up payroll taxes as a way of creating long-term solvency for Social Security."
I haven't seen anything from the Obama campaign showing that they want to raise payroll taxes, and getting out of Iraq will free up ****loads of money.
For RightChange, all you have to do is look at their citations. They cite biased articles from Murdoch owned publications as "proof" http://www.rightchange.com/citations.php
edit: RightChange is a 527, which are used to smear candidates and get around contribution rules. The Swiftboating lies were done by a 527. Taking what a 527 says seriously is asking to be tricked, they are basically a right wing version of moveon.org
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From the comments section below:
And does anyone else find it ironic that the republicans are campaigning under the slogan "Country First" yet they're dead set against either protecting it from pollution or resource exploitation, and also refuse to contribute anything more AT ALL in terms of income to help better our situation? That sounds a lot more like "Me First".
Why do people believe that this is what democrats want? It's the stupidest argument, and yet I hear and read it being repeated over and over again. As if the "liberal elite" out there just want to give away all their money and generations of wealth. You people don't think Obama or the Clintons enjoy being millionaires?
And does anyone else find it ironic that the republicans are campaigning under the slogan "Country First" yet they're dead set against either protecting it from pollution or resource exploitation, and also refuse to contribute anything more AT ALL in terms of income to help better our situation? That sounds a lot more like "Me First".
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True on the Iraq thing, but I can't seem to get a number nailed down on how much it is / going to save us so its hard to factor that in. So Obama shouldn't just use that as a catch all either.
argumentum ad hominem <---- Learn it and stop doing it. It will make you wiser in the long run.
Now if there is something factually wrong with rightchange.com let me know. I will listen on that point.
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You aren't the person that should be talking about wisdom, and look up Burden of Proof, the only proof they link to are horrendously flawed arguments. I've read obamanomics, and it is an insult to journalism.
Conservatives prefer a black and white outlook, so Country First works because it enforces the us vs them complex.
edit: Quick question, do you believe that the Swiftboating ads were true or false?
Almost as reliable as Wikipedia. But that stands for any major source. You need to use at least 3 to get a fuzzy Idea at best.
If you don't factor in the rebuilding cost needed for our forces once we are out, you can say that it would save us a minimum of 4 billion a month (I have seen estimates as high as 10B a month) by leaving Iraq. I haven't seen any price estimates as to what the withdraw will cost, but it can't be as much to stay.
No matter how you slice it, it will save a large figure once gone. Money that can be used to bail out WaMu
