http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1735748,00.html
Funny how this wasn't on CNN.....must have been an oversight
Funny how this wasn't on CNN.....must have been an oversight
Nice. US troops executing kids
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Isn't that what Saddam is on trial for? For being in charge of troops that murdered innocent Iraqis? Damn, I guess Bush and Saddam aren't all that different. Except Saddam will likely be held accountable for his crimes.
Ah, but we do it in the name of freedom and in the name of democracy. And anyway, they're only arab terrorist kids after all.Echo said:
lets not overlook the fact that this alleged event was claimed by Iraqi police...i need proof (read:video)
Does Bush have any credibility left?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/4829786.stm
Mr Bush defended his decision to invade Iraq.
"I didn't want war. To assume I wanted war is just flat wrong... No president wants war."
Mr Bush stood by Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who has faced renewed criticism over his handling of Iraq, saying: "I don't believe he should resign. He's done a fine job. Every war plan looks good on paper until you meet the enemy."
Tuesday's news conference came as US military investigators flew to Iraq to study reports that marines shot dead at least 15 civilians, including seven women and three children, in Haditha in November 2005.
The military's initial claim that the civilians died in a roadside blast was disproved by an earlier investigation.
The latest inquiry comes after a Time magazine reporter said he had been given a video by an Iraqi human rights group showing the civilians "could not have been killed by a roadside bomb".
Mr Bush did not refer to the issue in the news conference
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/4829786.stm
Mr Bush defended his decision to invade Iraq.
"I didn't want war. To assume I wanted war is just flat wrong... No president wants war."
Mr Bush stood by Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who has faced renewed criticism over his handling of Iraq, saying: "I don't believe he should resign. He's done a fine job. Every war plan looks good on paper until you meet the enemy."
Tuesday's news conference came as US military investigators flew to Iraq to study reports that marines shot dead at least 15 civilians, including seven women and three children, in Haditha in November 2005.
The military's initial claim that the civilians died in a roadside blast was disproved by an earlier investigation.
The latest inquiry comes after a Time magazine reporter said he had been given a video by an Iraqi human rights group showing the civilians "could not have been killed by a roadside bomb".
Mr Bush did not refer to the issue in the news conference
what about it?Changleen said:
Nice custom title...Changleen said:
Wanna swap???
No, but this was:norco-freerider said:
The military's initial claim that the civilians died in a roadside blast was disproved by an earlier investigation.
The latest inquiry comes after a Time magazine reporter said he had been given a video by an Iraqi human rights group showing the civilians "could not have been killed by a roadside bomb".
What's wrong with a little genocide among friends?
Wasn' this on of the things that started happening in Vietnam? Man, there seems to be a lot of similarities here. The next logical step is a good old fashion draft of 18-24 year olds.
Were these punk kids that were taking up the whole sidewalk or on someones lawn?
//didn't RTFA
//didn't RTFA
will doChangleen said:
i will also come back when you convince me that those children and woman were not in any way a potential hazard to those troops.
Please remove your head from your ass. Unless grenades were flying and RPG were inbound from these women and children, they posed no threat. Preventative executions, it's a new part of the US security doctrine.norco-freerider said:will do
i will also come back when you convince me that those children and woman were not in any way a potential hazard to those troops.
norco-freerider said:will do
i will also come back when you convince me that those children and woman were not in any way a potential hazard to those troops.
Maybe they could have scratched them with their long nails? Seriously, It's OK to kill anyone who is a potential hazard now? Why not just get it over with and nuke the entire planet? You'd better do yourself in too, because there's a potential that you might hurt yourself one day.
all im saying is that i have heard stories from friends and relatives over in iraq, and there is some messed up stuff going on. you have to be careful, and put yourself above all others, and you cant trust anyone. i am in NO WAY condoning killing innocent people (i am actually against the war), but all i know is that we do not know the exact parameters of the situation at that moment, only the troops and the victims do.
sorry if i sounded like a pro-war, pro-killing prick, i didnt mean to come off that way.
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sorry if i sounded like a pro-war, pro-killing prick, i didnt mean to come off that way.
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Im all against the war but my brothers over there and he tells me about how the men over there will hide behind their women and children and then procede to fire at the soldiers, and in this situation, its either your life of theirs, and i know this sounds harsh but i dont care what any of you will say, if it came down to this i dought any of you would take a bullet and go home in a box..its not the soldiers fault, the majority of them are good kids and just got out of high school and joined the army with the intentions of going to college, war always has a way of turing otherwise good kids into kids that are fed up with the customs and traditions of the particular region they are invading ( becuase its foreign to them) and they tend to become more violent and ruthless...Now i dont support the war in any way shape or form, but i support our soldiers and i dont think any of us are in a possition where we can make valid judgments on what really happend ( News = propaganda at its best) for all we know the innocent people dead could have been used as human shields for the men inside that were going to be captured.
Well sorry for lecturing and whatnot...i agree it was bad,unjust,and vial, but this is part of war and our idiot presidents to blame, not the soldiers.
-Greg
Well sorry for lecturing and whatnot...i agree it was bad,unjust,and vial, but this is part of war and our idiot presidents to blame, not the soldiers.
-Greg
If that were the case, I would call it one of the sad side-effects of an urban war (and I would blame Bush for creating the situation in which such horrible things are inevitable). However, if you read the article, you would see that the accusation is of execution style killings of hand-cuffed victims. You'll have a hard time convincing me that such a situation is a "your life or theirs" one.greg447 said:
Now, they are JUST accusations at this stage, but well-documented and corroborated by a police force that is our ally. In this case the burden of proof is on the US military, and they would have to find some kind of conspiracy within the Iraqi police force (who we are trying to claim is capable and self-sufficient... bit of a catch-22 there).
The Iraqi Police force is corrupt, if you listen to the news, a shiite police squad was just accused of arrresting a group of sunies and torturing them, so a conspiracy wouldent be too far fetched.
My favorite part:
Um, OK, but what about the bullet shots in the head?
Old Man G Funk said:
police commander: "you're a lying homo!"
maj keefe: "That was not a lie!"
Absolutely....I'm sure that 6 month old was going right for his throat!!norco-freerider said:will do
i will also come back when you convince me that those children and woman were not in any way a potential hazard to those troops.
it's coming right for us!MMike said:
Get with the program. All police forces have bad cops. It isn't a force wide thing. Many people actually want peace in their country you know.greg447 said:
From what I've read, the Iraqi police force isn't a model for the world. There's a lot of sectarian violence going on. Not that anyone could have predicted that before the invasion, of course. :nonono:Transcend said:Get with the program. All police forces have bad cops. It isn't a force wide thing. Many people actually want peace in their country you know.
Having said that, OMGF makes a good point about the weak defence by the American major...
I am not saying they are a model force, simply that the ENTIRE FORCE is not corrupt. There are plenty of bad apples, but many of them truly want to make a difference and bring peace to their country.Silver said:
The more I think about this, the more I realize that Bush is doing EXACTLY what Saddam did. I'm seriously almost at the end of my rope here.
and what kind of sicko can actually bring himself to kill a kid on purpose?
Hey...we all know about your basement...and don't try to deny it....MMike said:
jimmydean said:
Might not go the "Nam" route.
There has been some postulating that this is going to develope into more of a central american style mess.
Here's one write up on the theroy :wonky2: I'm not yet convined by either argument as yet.... But worth thinking about some more.
At least you have a custom title.........fluff said:
And I now know how to get one... how to get a good one on the other hand is still a mystery to me.Reactor said:
fluff said:
That's cos you don't know the "Right way" to get one.
I'm still trying to work out whether mine is a good one or not.fluff said:
you are a master of something. How can that be bad?
for some reason this reminded me of southpark,norco-freerider said:will do
i will also come back when you convince me that those children and woman were not in any way a potential hazard to those troops.
when jimbo and uncle ned go hunting, and before pulling out the bazooka to shoot a rabbit, they have to say for liability.. "oh my god, its gonna kill us... booom!!!!!