Nipples (hehehehe....)
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They are a pain in the ass if you don't use 16mm nipples
Yep, Mavic recommends you use 16mm nipples.
hehehe nipples 
But yes, if you dont want your brain to melt down trying to fish out regular nipples get the 16s, and remember when using the DT spoke calculator read what the asterix says, i believe you take the spoke lenght they give you in the calculation and subtract 3mm to get the proper lenght because you are runnin the 16mm nipples
But yes, if you dont want your brain to melt down trying to fish out regular nipples get the 16s, and remember when using the DT spoke calculator read what the asterix says, i believe you take the spoke lenght they give you in the calculation and subtract 3mm to get the proper lenght because you are runnin the 16mm nipples
Originally posted by ViolentVolante
hehehe nipples
But yes, if you dont want your brain to melt down trying to fish out regular nipples get the 16s, and remember when using the DT spoke calculator read what the asterix says, i believe you take the spoke lenght they give you in the calculation and subtract 3mm to get the proper lenght because you are runnin the 16mm nipples
really? That shouldn't make a difference if you have the correct ERD, and 99.9% of the calculators do not. I've always pull mine off the spoke calc and go with it. Plus I stay away from DT's calc, it sucks.
I would use the long nipples for sure, it'll make your life a lot easier. Did you get a DH bike Ben, or are you just building new wheels for the Planet X?
I've built 6sets of these on different hubs going by Bikealog or DT spoke calc. says, you run a higher risk of breaking nipples if you shorten the spokes.Originally posted by ViolentVolante
hehehe nipples
But yes, if you dont want your brain to melt down trying to fish out regular nipples get the 16s, and remember when using the DT spoke calculator read what the asterix says, i believe you take the spoke lenght they give you in the calculation and subtract 3mm to get the proper lenght because you are runnin the 16mm nipples
He doesn't know what he's talking about, he rides a Disco
so your saying you can use the same length spokes even if you use longer nipples?
Yes because in both long and short nipples the threaded section is the same length. The extra length in long nipples is unthreaded.Originally posted by zedro
so your saying you can use the same length spokes even if you use longer nipples?
Perhaps DT nipples are different to the ones I have used and have longer threads in their long nipples allowing you to use shorter spokes. I only know this from building wheels with a mix of nipple lengths.
Yeah, that's what I've used. Two wheels I built with 12mm nipples because I couldn't find the 16's, but I used the recommended length spokes for all of them. I would just be afraid of a 16mm nipple breaking in half if you didn't have enough of the spoke threaded in. If you had a wheel with extreme dish this could easily happen.
Any thoughts on a frame yet? (Get an Orange )
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This is really ****ed up. I was just about to dispute this but decided to do a little checking first. To start off QBP's catalog states that the DT 12mm or 16mm nipples do not affect spoke length.
WELL, I just got out my spoke ruler and threaded a 12mm and 16 mm onto the same spoke and the 16mm nipple gives a 3mm longer spoke length. ****!!!!!!
This has got me thinking about the EX823 issues that some people have been having. I calculated my spoke lengths with SpokeCalc. I wound used 16mm DT nips and didn't factor in the extra length under the impression there was no extra length.
Anyways I used WS spoke prep and tensioned up my wheels to 110 Kgf on the front disc side and rear drive side and adjusted the other sides accordingly. I rode my bike on exactly TWO easy trail rides and checked the tension and it was down to about 60-65 Kgf. I also noticed that the Loctited inserts took about 1/8th of a turn more even though they were tight when I built the wheels.
Any ways, I am thinking that people are having problems because the wheels are loosing tension. Now why they are loosing tension I am not sure. I am thinking because the spoke lengths are wrong do to the 16 mm nipples but I am not sure.
This is FUKCED UP!!!
but if your initial tension was ok, what would it matter? theoretically it was built correct, no?
And you know what else is ****ed up? If 16mm nipples change spoke length why isn't it on DT's website? The specs tell you all kinds of **** but nothing about affecting spoke length. And their spoke calulator sucks. They list the ERD of the D3.1 as 538mm and more than one source (including Mavic) give it as 532mm. If you go by DT's calc the spokes for my wheels wound up being something like 4mm longer.
****ing tubeless piece of ****s. You can't even see how far the spoke is threaded into the nipple. No wonder people are having problems with these things.
I am going to bed before I blow a gasket:angry:
If I have made any mistakes here please correct me.
****ing tubeless piece of ****s. You can't even see how far the spoke is threaded into the nipple. No wonder people are having problems with these things.
I am going to bed before I blow a gasket:angry:
If I have made any mistakes here please correct me.
now i'm very confused, its a disturbing feeling...
It doesn't make sense to me. If the I was able to tension the wheels the spokes shouldn't be too long, correct? But why the hell did the wheels loose tension so easily? I know they loosen a bit, but previous wheels I built didn't loose this much tension and I used oil on the nipples instead of spoke prep
Does WS spoke prep suck ass? Maybe I didn't use enough? Did I not tension the wheels enough intially?
Seems like an excessive amount of tension lost considering how easy the wheels were used. I could see if I had continued to ride them I probably would have pulled an Arcadian on them
I am confused as ****. Either I am missing something important here or I am a dumbass. Maybe both.
spokes stretch
How much? I would expect a little, but not this much.
****, if everyones spokes stretched as much as mine did everybody would be going through wheels left and right (seems like it with the 823's
).Why did the nipple grommets seem a bit loose even though a used a bunch of blue Loctite and had them pretty damn tight?
This is how I feel :angry:
ya but not enough to loose half the tension...i've never had a wheel thats done that overnight.
That's cool, Cannondales are nice bike. Cedric doesn't seem to have much of a problem with them.
Yeah, but it can creap up on you out of nowhere. Especially if you take the wheel out and abuse it really well, throw it out of true just a little, then you get some spokes that lose their tension because the wheel has a slightly new "shape" to it, and then you get a cascading effect if you don't take up that "slack" and retension/true it. Just over time they'll loosen up, it is just something to check every once and a while (my WTB lazerdiscs actually had a little sticker that said this on it). If you do it properly you shouldn't have a problem with the spokes loosening, but despite the odds it happens every once and a while for one reason or another, and 1 out of 64 is enough to cause a serious problem and lead to a cascading effect.
But we all know that snow-flake pattern would be totally superiour...