Yes, attention to minor detail/craftsmanship/fine tunning is somewhat lost thanks in a way to suspension. Yeah the Nicolais of days gone buy are crazy over engineered. The newer ones are a bit more refined luckily. There's some beauty in them sticking with straight gauge straight tubes and what they know IMO. Would be great for a carbon wizard to join their fray, but it's probably not going to happen, so good to see them using their skills better with every new bike it seems. Riding my new Helius when it arrives will let me know how right or wrong I am LOL. Ha ha.