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Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by klunky, Oct 10, 2013.

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    135 rear hub spacing? Didn't expect to see that again on a DH bike.
     
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    Apart from all the new Demos you mean?
     
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    Only the S-Works carbon.
     
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    Quite sure I watched a video where they said the Alu ones will be too.
    I could be wrong of course.
     
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    so why are some going back to 135? i thought the new 'standard' was to go wider (157)..
     
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    First off, I thought it has been well established via the Ridemonkey WC E-spec Team that a Demo is in fact not a real "downhill" bike given the devastation it has wrought upon one Aaron Gwin. So my point stands :thumb:

    Actually, I thought about the Demo as I was typing my earlier response, and thought they had switched to 150 mm. But now that I think about it, this is the company that still (stubbornly) doesn't have a 650 bike, so maybe they are going to address a lot of standardization issues all at once...650 All-Enduro-Trail bike, 150 mm rear Demo, and non-proprietary shocks.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Orange went back to 135 ages ago. The Mojo team reckoned that they were stiffer with big dropouts and a smaller hub
     
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    well thats odd.. im seeing frames go to 157 (im assuming for the same reason), while others are going back to 135? this is confusing.

    anywho, isnt mojo a suspension store? now im real lost. :confused:
     
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    Hubs are an awful lot more reliable and than they were, when DH went to 150mm...so it's safe to go 135 rear now.

    (that's what the specialized video said anyways)
     
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    Huh, I thought the main reason they switched to 150mm was for better chain alignment with 83mm BB widths. Shows you what I know.
     
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    hm, thanks for that info. it'll be interesting to watch this over the next year or two, i wonder what will gain more popularity.
     
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    The spoke bracing angle is also wider with 150/157 than 135/142...
     
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    That's one good reason. Another is to easily build a zero dish (stronger) rear wheel. I can only guess that they are doing 135 on the S-Works to save whatever small amount of weight they can from the narrower hub/rear triangle and maybe they can do a zero dish wheel with the 7-speed cassette on there.
     
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    Proof that not even the bike industry can agree as to why they come up with so many "standards."
     
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    Orange use a 73mm bb
     
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    Basically yes, but in reverse order. 83mm BBs were a response to 150mm hubs in order to keep the chainline reasonable. 150mm hubs were originally introduced to increase the flange spacing of hubs in order to stiffen and strengthen the wheel laterally. Unlike 135mm hubs, it's feasible to build 150mm hubs with the flanges spaced evenly either side of the centreline, allowing zero-dish wheels to be built. This does involve pulling the non-drive-side flange in a bit (so overall flange spacing between 150 and 135 isn't much different), and for a while there were also 165mm rear ends (as used by Giant and Iron Horse before the Sunday) that allowed for super wide hub flange spacing but also required a 100mm BB shell to work properly. Those were awesome for having a stable stance on the pedals, but it made the actual pedaling action really weird and gimp-like, and they also sat your derailleur/frame/axle out quite a way, making derailleur destruction even easier.
     
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    I was/am not a fan of wide bbs. I didn't like the 100 on my dh bike, nor the one on my fat bike, and I thought the 83mm one was really only passable. I much preferred the 73 if you actually wanna pedal. I never had too much trouble with wheel strength as long as they were properly built.
     
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    My 2014 carbon-but-not-an-S-Works Demo says you're wrong.
     
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    Its technically the 1st in the UK but still nothing on the site or facebook, looks as if the there are some front triangles hanging here..................Im guessing a tweak in Geo and maybe some weight saving maybe and 27.5" compatible

    There is a price on the site which says £1999 pretty sure they were £2399 when they came out the first time round.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...356166.-2207520000.1391231440.&type=3&theater
     
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    This video says I'm not - clearly says that the alooominum bike is 135 too.



    Perhaps just the full builds?
     
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    I think the highest full build aluminum has the 135 for 2014. Complete cheap demo carbon (2013) had 150, not sure if that one switched to 135 this year.