LOL....He works one day a week for my brother. They aren't Davey or Asplundh yet, but they give the kid 8-10 hours of hard labor once a week and he sleeps good that night
Nomad Thoughts? Bike Dilemna
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That'd be a pretty fun motorcycle. Fatbike conversion is via Sycip and Phil Wood, btw: http://www.bikerumor.com/2012/09/07/phil-wood-shows-converted-santa-cruz-v10-dh-fat-bike-plus-new-track-crankset-seat-collars/You can always make your V10 moar enduro.
My honest take is that I'd only consider replacing a V10 with a shorter travel bike if it didn't have to be an SC. I think the Nomad is a substantial downgrade in suspension performance having ridden both - with the V10 being substantially more competitive in its class. That's not to say the Nomad is bad, but to replace a DH bike to any capacity, I think you need something much more focused.
You seem to be passionate about DH and pretty good at it - if I were you I'd rather optimise the second bike for whatever it needs to do (replace or upgrade it if needed so it can be as good as possible for "everything else") and keep the V10 for DH.
Even with a better trailbike, as jonKranked said, fatigue goes through the roof and you end up being slower and/or more likely to crash (on a proper DH course). I can't speak for you, but I don't have the same brand lock-in problem you do, and I'm still mildly disappointed (and certainly slower) when I have to ride DH on my trailbike. If you have to race against other people who are actually on DH bikes then that's going to put you at a noticeable disadvantage too.
You seem to be passionate about DH and pretty good at it - if I were you I'd rather optimise the second bike for whatever it needs to do (replace or upgrade it if needed so it can be as good as possible for "everything else") and keep the V10 for DH.
Even with a better trailbike, as jonKranked said, fatigue goes through the roof and you end up being slower and/or more likely to crash (on a proper DH course). I can't speak for you, but I don't have the same brand lock-in problem you do, and I'm still mildly disappointed (and certainly slower) when I have to ride DH on my trailbike. If you have to race against other people who are actually on DH bikes then that's going to put you at a noticeable disadvantage too.
I think at the end of the day the 5010 is the best compromise for a do everything except DH bike (at least for me and my locale), especially after thinking about it more and listening to the thoughts in this thread. As I mentioned, it's tough to compete on the groomed flat singletrack/gravel road XC races we have around here, but that's not really a focus for me, it's just something the wife and I do for fun when we can't travel to a DH race. We have a ton of local XC racing, I could literally race every weekend if I wanted to buy a carbon 29'er hardtail and suit up in my best lycra kit.
As for being good at DH, that's debatable, but you are right, I really do enjoy it and would probably be disappointed if I put myself at a disadvantage on a trail bike just for the sake of versatility a few other days a year.
If you have good friends at SC, can't they get you a Bronson or Nomad loaner so you can see if/how much you would be sacrificing for XC dentistry if you replaced the 5010 with one of those?
I don't think we have that good of friends...
Yeah I agree with the recent posts, if you just occasionally rode DH it would make sense to dump the DH. Like everyone said above, if you actually race, I would not recommend the nomad for that at all...
somebody link to that thread about how much fun a downhill bike is.
DH bikes are great. they take everything better and you can put them away wet, then take them out and ride happy again. Can't do that with a trailbike, it'll catch up faster and you'll be replacing more shit.
DH bikes are great. they take everything better and you can put them away wet, then take them out and ride happy again. Can't do that with a trailbike, it'll catch up faster and you'll be replacing more shit.
I would also add that a well operating modern DH fork is orders of magnitude better than the best SC fork in the galaxy in terms of stiffness and general fux mitigation. If not for the taller A2C and additional 1-2 lb weigh penalty, I'd rock a 40 on my Megatron. Not doing bar spins anyway.
I have a bronson. I run 1750 gram wheels and comparable tires for enduro stuff and put on IKON's and 1500 gram wheels if trails are smooth. Bike fly's on the smooth trails, can still reach high speeds to use the suspension.
Keep the DH bike. Mine serves as my trail bike too. You will miss it if you get rid of her.
I wonder what's stopping Santa Cruz from making a rideable VPP enduro™ machine now that everyone is going oneby... Making a shock tunnel near the BB wouldn't hurt now that front derailleurs have been put to rest.
seat post?
forced obsolescence? those bikes are all pretty great, aside from their shock rate. Maybe the next gen will have bottom link driven shocks, and then give people another reason to buy them?
either that or it's super boost plox.
either that or it's super boost plox.
The Luddite in you begs for the opportunity to run a vintage 480mm USE seatpost in those frames?
Th
e Luddite in me knows my dropper wouldn't fit in an interrupted seat post tube when I put my v 10 and 5010 side by side and imagine your suggestion
^See the alu test mule above. I see plenty of space for a dropper there, but YMMV.
Hold on, I just realized It: rideable frames for tall people, unridabru frames for shorter folks. A salomonic solution!
that or the comparable intense version spotted last year...it's like
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But water bottle cage, I hate hydrationnpack
under 10 mile rides, no cage needed, drink at car between laps; 10-15, small, light, un-noticeable pack; 15+, full pack with lots of water, tools, food, etc.
tl;dr-water bottle argument is stupid as fuck
tl;dr-water bottle argument is stupid as fuck
meh, many of my rides don't include laps past my car, I can do about 20 miles on a 16-20oz bottle depending on the ride. While a small light un-noticeable pack might be fashionable and cute, it still gives me the back sweats like no other. I much prefer to take nothing more than my bike on a ride and leave all the boyscout tools and food behind. Your mileage may vary. YMMV #hashtags #YMVV #fuckiguessillgobacktomypackifihavetoo
That looks "snug" for me to fit the dropper (upon second look I guess it's not that snug, I was comparing the v-10 and 5010 and the v-10 has nearly zero post room, though I know they'd be able to come up with more room than that.....oh, and I posted before I saw that pic show up....fuck it, I lose), my dropper is almost totally slammed in my frame, but I could live with out the dropper, but then wouldn't I be a luddite for that too then? damnit, always a luddite.
haha
Make the Luddite look in you complete by carrying your water bottle in a fancy fluoro fanny pack!
I like it.
Wife has the fanny pack thing dialed.....
Wife has the fanny pack thing dialed.....
You don't want to hear it but a hardtail 29 is probably your ticket for Western Michigan trails. I've ridden most of them on both a light carbon 150 bike as well as a 19lb single speed. The single speed is faster and more fun everywhere. Michigan has a pretty fast xc scene and as a competitive person I can't imagine racing a trail bike would be enjoyable or rewarding.
Btw, still some time to swing out to CVNP to check out our new trail. Well worth the drive or as a pit stop on the way to Ray's
Btw, still some time to swing out to CVNP to check out our new trail. Well worth the drive or as a pit stop on the way to Ray's
I know it is that's why I considered highball/nomad combo. But don't wanna give up my v10.
Both the wife and I raced the 5010's a few times and of course it was a disadvantage, but we held our own.
nah, since they've already released the updated uzzi since. that's a lower link driven 170/160 bike palmer was riding at sea otter a while back. maybe a tracer replacement? i'd love to try it. http://m.pinkbike.com/news/prototype-intense-spotted-at-fontana-california.html
I think you are all going about this wrong. Old bikes are cool and you can get them for way cheaper.
This is even in the all mountain forum:
http://forums.mtbr.com/all-mountain/need-some-advice-please-help-me-build-1023317.html
Make sure to read to the end to find out how to help bring jobs back to the US by supporting foreign companies.
This is even in the all mountain forum:
http://forums.mtbr.com/all-mountain/need-some-advice-please-help-me-build-1023317.html
Make sure to read to the end to find out how to help bring jobs back to the US by supporting foreign companies.
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just registered for my first enduro, 6 hour drive in the morning, night stage, sleep in car, 4 stages, profit.