[bdamschen]

Just bought a Sight for the wife. Looked around for recommended shock settings on their website and apparently, Norco has a whole web tool that spits out how to setup your new norco... all the way down to how wide your bars should be and what tire pressure to run front and rear.

here's what it gave me for the wife's bike below... I'm not sure she'll be willing to go back to 760mm bars after running 780 for so long.

Bike Setup
Sight C2 SRAM 29", Size M / L Recommended
Front Tire Pressure
18 psi
Rear Tire Pressure
21 psi
Bar Width
760 mm
Bar Rise
25 mm
Stem Spacers
15 mm
Stem Length
40 mm
Fork Setup
2021 RockShox Lyrik Ultimate 160mm
Stock air volume is 2T
Air Pressure
56 psi
Air Volume
1 T
Rebound
7 out
LSC
18 out
HSC
4 out
Shock Setup
2021 RockShox Super Deluxe Select+ , 150mm, 185x52.5mm
Stock air volume is 2T
Air Pressure
172 psi
Air Volume
3 VS
Rebound
9 out

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

Damn, that's pretty crazy! I just used Ohlins recommendations for pressure on a DH fork and it feels like a 2X4...

Interesting to do a comparison with setting it up blind, then seeing how settings compare to what they recommend.

 

[bdamschen]

Interesting to do a comparison with setting it up blind, then seeing how settings compare to what they recommend.

I always thought my wife never put enough air in her tires, but I just let it happen. 18 psi up front is about where she liked it, so maybe they're on to something.

 

[Jm_]

What color?

 

[bdamschen]

What color?

The website didn't say, so I didn't know which to pick.

...rolled the dice and got purple.

 

[Jeremy R]

The crazy part is how close they got to my exact setup on both my Sight and Optic. I guess it helps when the
people designing the bike also rides the shit out of them.

 

[bdamschen]

The crazy part is how close they got to my exact setup on both my Sight and Optic. I guess it helps when the
people designing the bike also rides the shit out of them.

Reading further, they recommend a shock pump with a digital gauge because 1 psi makes the difference. This is a little too much science for the amount of beer I drink while working on bikes.

 

[Bikael Molton]

That level of precision only makes sense if setting up suspension for a specific track condition on a given day.
Body weight, gear weight, etc aren’t static.

 

[Westy]

That level of precision only makes sense if setting up suspension for a specific track condition on a given day.
Body weight, gear weight, etc aren’t static.

So you go through a full tuning exercise based on the trail/conditions/weight of your underwear every time you hop on your trailbike for a ride?

 

[bullcrew]

I think it's great they take time to address customers and give em tips ideas and starting point...very cool

 

[kidwoo]

That level of precision only makes sense if setting up suspension for a specific track condition on a given day.
Body weight, gear weight, etc aren’t static.

It's just to make you think you think norco really knows what they're doing and get you to buy one of their bikes.

Because they really do make very well riding bikes these days but the average hack or beginner would have no way to know that.... so they need somethin else and making charts is cheaper than introducing a new rim/hub/headset/fork/grip standard

 

[Nick]

shock pump with a digital gauge because 1 psi makes the difference.

SO THEN!

who owns/uses a digital shock pump? what model are you using and do you recommend?
I have a DT Swiss (?) zero loss shock pump, which works, but who knows how accurate/consistent is really is.

 

[6thElement]

SO THEN!

who owns/uses a digital shock pump? what model are you using and do you recommend?
I have a DT Swiss (?) zero loss shock pump, which works, but who knows how accurate/consistent is really is.

Birthday fairy (SIL) got me the SRAM branded one this summer or it might have been for festivus...

 

[dump]

Things like bar width are really personal preference. Tire pressure is dependent on conditions as much as it is weight and riding style. I suppose it's a nice starting point to get folks started. There is a ton of stuff we just know having been in the sport for so long.

 

[bdamschen]

Things like bar width are really personal preference. Tire pressure is dependent on conditions as much as it is weight and riding style. I suppose it's a nice starting point to get folks started. There is a ton of stuff we just know having been in the sport for so long.

They actually ask you what your weight and riding style is and adjust the config accordingly. The funny part is apparently the difference between "aggressive" riding and "pro" riding for my wife's setup is 1 psi of air in the suspension.

 

[dump]

They actually ask you what your weight and riding style is and adjust the config accordingly. The funny part is apparently the difference between "aggressive" riding and "pro" riding for my wife's setup is 1 psi of air in the suspension.

Ha, 1psi. Good starting point I suppose, and tweak from there on out. Can't uncut a handlebar though!

 

[jonKranked]

SO THEN!

who owns/uses a digital shock pump? what model are you using and do you recommend?
I have a DT Swiss (?) zero loss shock pump, which works, but who knows how accurate/consistent is really is.

the digital one i have is a vital branded that came in one of their gear club boxes. it looks the same as the RS and CC branded ones. not sure who manufacturers it. i like it. obv not calibrated.

 

[bdamschen]

Setup is serious business:

Your suspension settings take into account bar height and bar width. To start with, ensure you have the recommended amount of spacers between the headset top cap and stem, and that your handlebars are cut to the recommended width. Moving away from this will shift your weight on the bike and affect how we intend your settings to ride. Air up your tires to the recommended pressure.
To ensure you are able to get an accurate and repeatable pressure reading in your fork and shock, follow these steps when you add or remove air:

1. Attach digital shock pump to air valve (analog gauges don’t have the accuracy needed for modern air springs).
2. Inflate to required air pressure, in 40psi increments, equalizing at each increment. To equalize the positive and negative air chambers, cycle the fork/shock through 30% of its travel 5 times.
3. Take an air pressure reading. It is very important to equalize the air chambers to get an accurate reading. Lift the front wheel off the ground by the handlebar, or hold the saddle elevated and to keep the rear wheel off the ground. Then check the pump gauge.
4. As you approach your target pressure, add smaller increments of air, repeating step 3 until the required air pressure is reached.

 

[OGRipper]

I like the Fox digital pumps. Pretty sure they're the same as the SRAM/Rockshox pumps, just different branding.

Digital or analog, since there's a margin of error on pumps I like to use the same pump every time if possible. The reading may not be totally accurate but should at least be a fairly reliable reference point.

Anyway, I think it's pretty cool for Norco to provide this tool as a way for people to at least have a ballpark starting point. Anything like this should be seen as a rough guide, and more detail seems better than the other extreme, which would be to provide zero help.

 

[Jm_]

I hate shock pumps, they all suck. When you get the pressure up high you put a ton of forces on that flexible hose which starts to break after time. The spindly nature doesn't take well to cramming 300psi and IMO they are all a shitshow.

 

[OGRipper]

Agree they could be better, and always wondered why nobody makes a pro-level version, even if not portable. Sounds like a job for Silca!

That said, what bike/shock needs 300 psi?

 

[bdamschen]

That said, what bike/shock needs 300 psi?

woah woah woah! Some of us drink more beer than others, alright?

 

[jstuhlman]

woah woah woah! Some of us drink more beer than others, alright?

300 PintsSlowlyImbibed ftw!

 

[bullcrew]

I have a general psi I go off of...so I set nitrogen regulator and hit it with tank...I can't imagine 1 to 3 psi will be a deal killer....maybe on shock a couple may do it a little....forks not so much...

 

[jonKranked]

Agree they could be better, and always wondered why nobody makes a pro-level version, even if not portable. Sounds like a job for Silca!

That said, what bike/shock needs 300 psi?

pressure gauges are generally more accurate or have tighter tolerances in the middle two quartiles of their range, and slightly larger tolerances in the lower and upper most quartiles. so for a 300psi shock, it'll be most accurate between 75 and 225 psi

 

[Electric_City]

I have about 7 shock pumps-
An old Manitou with a 2" hose on it that's not good for moving around at all.
A Fox
A Devinci
A DVO
A Topek
A Bontrager
And a RS one that goes to 350psi.

2 years ago I had an issue with my fork. I wasn't sure which specific one I used before disassembling it. When I put the appropriate psi in, it seemed soft. It took a lot of pumps to get it where I needed it, so the amount that's lost form the hose shouldn't be that significant. Reattaching the hose on the same pump showed no significant loss of air.

I put the other pump on and there was a 10psi difference. Between the 6 pumps, only 2 were close. The biggest variable was 12psi.

I think the Fox, Bontrager, DVO and Devinci pumps are all the same.

 

[kidwoo]

Agree they could be better, and always wondered why nobody makes a pro-level version, even if not portable. Sounds like a job for Silca!

That said, what bike/shock needs 300 psi?

You've seen these right?

Air Tool UHP Floor Pump

Designed as the perfect complement to our AUTOSAG-equipped bikes, or any other Ultra High Pressure application. The Air Tool UHP Floor Pump is able to b...

www.specialized.com

One of those gucci tool companies that makes shit to go with your bike rack makes one too. Lezyne maybe?

 

[Bikael Molton]

Of course not... and I'm not stressing over 1 psi in air suspension either.

So you go through a full tuning exercise based on the trail/conditions/weight of your underwear every time you hop on your trailbike for a ride?

 

[canadmos]

The crazy part is how close they got to my exact setup on both my Sight and Optic. I guess it helps when the
people designing the bike also rides the shit out of them.

Have you checked out Dale Stone on teh youtubez?

 

[OGRipper]

You've seen these right?

Air Tool UHP Floor Pump

Designed as the perfect complement to our AUTOSAG-equipped bikes, or any other Ultra High Pressure application. The Air Tool UHP Floor Pump is able to b...

www.specialized.com

Thanks but my settings do not allow me to view or consider Specialized products.

 

[kidwoo]

Thanks but my settings do not allow me to view or consider Specialized products.

You've seen the second part of my post right?

One of those gucci tool companies that makes shit to go with your bike rack makes one too. Lezyne maybe?

Floor Pumps

Purchase everything your bike needs in the Pumps - Floor Pumps category in our shop.

www.bike-components.de

 

[jonKranked]

You've seen the second part of my post right?

Enve needs to make a version of their Pressure Station that goes to 400psi for shocks. $1000.

 

[aaronjb]

I ordered a Sight in August of last year. Hearing it *may* be in by March 2022.

 

[OGRipper]

You've seen the second part of my post right?

Yeah, thanks. One of those things that I forgot seeing in the past. Sort of want.

 

[Jm_]

Agree they could be better, and always wondered why nobody makes a pro-level version, even if not portable. Sounds like a job for Silca!

That said, what bike/shock needs 300 psi?

Well, most reservoirs require 250-300psi, then most shocks are up to 300 or 325psi.

 

[kidwoo]

Yeah, thanks. One of those things that I forgot seeing in the past. Sort of want.

They're pretty nice to have, regardless of brand. I'm sure some other companies are making them now. Pretty much no one uses one and thinks it's pointless.

 

[toodles]

Ha, 1psi. Good starting point I suppose, and tweak from there on out. Can't uncut a handlebar though!

Of course not... and I'm not stressing over 1 psi in air suspension either.

It depends on the fork. Most shocks 1 psi won't be anything, but forks are running less and less pressure now and small increments make a big difference. (yeah yeah coil bro). I got a RS digital shock pump just for repeatability sake. My old analogue shock pump went up to like 350psi so the accuracy around 65-75 psi is very hard to get spot on for my Zeb

 

[dump]

It depends on the fork. Most shocks 1 psi won't be anything, but forks are running less and less pressure now and small increments make a big difference. (yeah yeah coil bro). I got a RS digital shock pump just for repeatability sake. My old analogue shock pump went up to like 350psi so the accuracy around 65-75 psi is very hard to get spot on for my Zeb

What is this air in a shock/fork you speak of?

 

[Jm_]

1psi? I mean temp and pressure changes due to altitude are going to change your suspension more...