[$tinkle]

left: Darrell Issa Again Shows Deep Disdain For Green Jobs, Even With 338,000 Of Them In His State

right: Rep. Issa Exposes the Obama Administration's Green Jobs Scam

spoiler alert: if you work in an LBS, congratulations. you have a green job.

 

[dante]

Replace "green" with "small business" and each one of those myths are just as repeated, and just as false...

 

[$tinkle]

imagine how conflicted a hipster must feel if he's to open up a shop for used mustache wax (that gets repurposed off of new chains, perhaps)

it's both green & small, yet he has to sell his soul to participate in the economy

 

[sanjuro]

Has Rep Issa looked into oil subsidies yet?

Myth 1: Everyone understands what a “green job” is.
Fact 1: No standard definition of a “green job” exists.
Myth 2: Creating green jobs will boost productive employment.
Fact 2: Green jobs estimates in these oft-quoted studies include huge numbers of clerical, bureaucratic, and administrative positions that do not produce goods and services for consumption.
Myth 3: Green jobs forecasts are reliable.
Fact 3: The green jobs studies made estimates using poor economic models based on dubious assumptions.
Myth 4: Green jobs promote employment growth.
Fact 4: By promoting more jobs instead of more productivity, the green jobs described in the literature actually encourage low-paying jobs in less desirable conditions. Economic growth cannot be ordered by Congress or by the United Nations (UN). Government interference in the economy – such as restricting successful technologies in favor of speculative technologies favored by special interests – will generate stagnation.
Myth 5: The world economy can be remade by reducing trade and relying on local production and reduced consumption without dramatically decreasing our standard of living.
Fact 5: History shows that individual nations cannot produce everything its citizens need or desire. People and countries have talents that allow specialization in products and services that
make them ever more efficient, lower-cost producers, thereby enriching all people.
Myth 6: Government mandates are a substitute for free markets.
Fact 6: Companies react more swiftly and efficiently to the demands of their customers/markets, than to cumbersome government mandates.
Myth 7: Wishing for technological progress is sufficient.
Fact 7: Some technologies preferred by the green jobs studies are not capable of efficiently reaching the scale necessary to meet today’s demands.

It is funny how every candidate talks about reducing our dependence on foreign oil, but apparently it is a myth.

 

[$tinkle]

blood diamonds don't pick themselves

 

[sanjuro]

One other thing: While the most famous solar company is Solyndra, all you need to know about how widespread green jobs are is watch a SF Giants game.

Two major solar companies are sponsors.

What does that say when it is not hippies, but sports fans who the green companies are trying to appeal to?

 

[$tinkle]

well, whoever's stupid enough to pay out the nose to watch baseball can't be too far outside of their focus group

 

[Pesqueeb]

Hey, baseline tickets for the Skysox are still only 13 bucks.

 

[$tinkle]

REP. DARRELL ISSA: Well, let me — let me run you through some questions here because you’re here because we’re having a green jobs counting discussion.
Does someone who assembles turbines — is that a green job?
MS. JANE OATES: Wind turbines?
REP. ISSA: Yeah. Wind turbines.
MS. OATES: I think we would call any kind of sustainable manufacturing –
REP. ISSA: OK.
MS. OATES: — fitting the definition that was –
REP. ISSA: Does someone who sweeps — does someone who sweeps the floor in a facility that makes solar panels, is that a green job?
MS. OATES: Solar? I’ll give that to –
REP. ISSA: To Galvin?
MS. OATES: — if you don’t mind.
MR. JOHN GALVIN: We define — we have a two-part definition –
REP. ISSA: We already had the briefing on that. So just answer the question. If you’re sweeping the floor in a solar panel production facility, is that a green job?
MR. GALVIN: If you ask me for the number of health care jobs in the United States, I’ll give you the employment from the health care industry.
REP. ISSA: Look, Mr. Galvin –
MR. GALVIN: — nurses and doctors –
REP. ISSA: You did not want to come here as a witness. You are not a delighted witness. So let’s go through this.
I asked you a question. You know the answer. Would you please answer it.
If you sweep the floor in a solar panel facility, is that a green job?
MR. GALVIN: Yes.
REP. ISSA: Thank you. If you drive a hybrid bus — public transportation — is that a green job?
MR. GALVIN: According to our definition, yes.
REP. ISSA: Thank you. What if you’re a college professor teaching classes about environmental studies?
MR. GALVIN: Yes.
REP. ISSA: What about just any school bus driver?
MR. GALVIN: Yes.
REP. ISSA: What about the guy who puts gas in the school bus?
MR. GALVIN: Yes.
REP. ISSA: How about employees at a bicycle shop?
MR. GALVIN: I guess I’m not sure about that.
REP. ISSA: The answer is yes, according to your definition. And you’ve got a lot of them.
What about a clerk at the bicycle repair shop?
MR. GALVIN: Yes.
REP. ISSA: What about someone who works in an antique dealer?
MR. GALVIN: I’m not sure about that either.
REP. ISSA: The answer is yes. Those are — those are recycled goods. They’re antiques; they’re used.
What about someone who works at the Salvation Army in their clothing recycling and furniture?
MR. GALVIN: Right. Because they’re selling recycled goods.
REP. ISSA: OK. What about somebody who opened a store to sell rare manuscripts?
MR. GALVIN: What industry is that?
REP. ISSA: People sell rare books and manuscripts — but they’re rare because they’re old so they’re used.
MR. GALVIN: OK.
REP. ISSA: What about workers at a consignment shop?
MR. GALVIN: That’s a green job.
REP. ISSA: Does the teenage kid who works full time at a used record shop count?
MR. GALVIN: Yes.
REP. ISSA: How about somebody who manufacturers railroads rolling stock — basically, train cars?
MR. GALVIN: I don’t think we classified the manufacture of rail cars as –
REP. ISSA: 48.8 percent of jobs in manufacturing, rail cars counted, according to your statistics. About half of the jobs that are being used to build trains.
OK. How about — just one more here. What about people who work in a trash disposal yard? Do garbage men have green jobs?
MR. GALVIN: Yes.
REP. ISSA: OK. I apologize. The real last last is, how about an oil lobbyist? Wouldn’t an oil lobbyist count as having a green job if they are engaged in advocacy related to environmental issues?
MR. GALVIN: Yes.

looks like mr california's getting snippy!

 

[TheMontashu]

Hey stinkle, my mom did a contract recruiting for a solar company. How's that for creating green jobs??? She literally got paid to hire people for green jobs. At a pretty ridiculous rate I may .........

 

[syadasti]

Hey stinkle, my mom did a contract recruiting for a solar company. How's that for creating green jobs??? She literally got paid to hire people for green jobs. At a pretty ridiculous rate I may .........

The reality is green jobs are booming:

http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/x/177988/Renewables/Record+Highs+and+Lows+in+New+Jerseys+Uncertain+Solar+Market

New Jersey's solar market hit record highs on the development side in the face of record lows in Solar Renewable Energy Credit (SREC) prices during the first quarter of 2012. A record 685 solar projects were installed in March 2012, totaling 41,758 kW of solar capacity, shortly after another record high of 84,997 kW of installed solar capacity in January. The first quarter of 2012 recorded 165,390 kW of installed solar capacity, which is more than four times the first quarter of 2011 at 41,027 kW, and nearly seven times the first quarter of 2010 of 24,616 kW. In fact, the first three months of 2012 represent more than 22 percent of the 730,326 kW of installed solar capacity during the past decade.

This record pace of development is contrary to the SREC price signals that hit record lows during the same period. Bloomberg reports that in April, New Jersey's SREC prices dropped below $100/mWh for the first time ever....

In ten years TX alone increased its wind capacity almost a hundred fold:

The real scam is that Congress gives huge sums of money to an industry which is beyond mature. This industry kills far more than terrorism, harms health, wastes money in wars, and destroys the environment. With all these ways they are passing the true cost of doing business on to the taxpayer/society its clear Congress doesn't give a **** about highlighting and addressing real problems.

 

[stoney]

Wow. Nothing in the whole South, except Tennessee.

 

[kidwoo]

Wow. Nothing in the whole South, except Tennessee.

More shocking to me is that there's ANYTHING going on in the stormfront strongholds of Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. Probably the sovereign survivalists educating themselves for the big EMP event.

Of course.......you'd have to be an Idahoan, to drive through Wyoming and not see the wind potential.

 

[jimmydean]

Not only is my job considered "green", but so is my company.

World Headquarters has achieved a LEED CI Certified rating.

 

[TheMontashu]

Not only is my job considered "green", but so is my company.

That rating is a JOKE. I work for a LEED CI Certified store, and I can tell you that pretty much everything we get into the store from the warehouse comes in it's own little plastic bag. If I have a shift where I have to hang cloathing, I will quite literally fill a trash can with plastic bags. I'm really not even sure as to what makes us "green" besides dimming the lights on a spare the air day

 

[jimmydean]

The rating might be, but all the crap I work on goes into solar and lighting control systems.

The concept of daylight harvesting is simple. Digital photo sensors detect daylight levels and automatically adjust the output level of electric lighting to create a balance. The goal is energy savings. Studies indicate that electric lighting energy use can be reduced as much as 84 percent.

Combine that with a solar/wind supply and you have a pretty green lighting setup IMO.

 

[syadasti]

That rating is a JOKE. I work for a LEED CI Certified store, and I can tell you that pretty much everything we get into the store from the warehouse comes in it's own little plastic bag. If I have a shift where I have to hang cloathing, I will quite literally fill a trash can with plastic bags. I'm really not even sure as to what makes us "green" besides dimming the lights on a spare the air day

Actually its not a joke but your interpretation of it is. LEED certification has nothing to do with the occupants' business practices. Its a rating of the building efficiency.

 

[TheMontashu]

Actually its not a joke but your interpretation of it is. LEED certification has nothing to do with the occupants' policies. Its a rating of the building efficiency, nothing more.

ahhhh, makes sense. Then now I'm just surprised, I work in a building built in the 70's

 

[jimmydean]

Actually its not a joke but your interpretation of it is. LEED certification has nothing to do with the occupants' business practices. Its a rating of the building efficiency.

That's why a lot of the stuff we make go into LEED buildings.

Also, my gas station is green.

http://www.kgw.com/lifestyle/green/Beaverton-opens-first-in-the-naton-eco-friendly-gas-station-130394398.html

He said he's saving more than $2,000 a month on energy costs and said the savings are passed down to the customers.

I save about $.12/gal getting my gas there rather than the Chevron on Hall (same distance, other direction).

 

[jonKranked]

blood diamonds don't pick themselves

you need illegal immigration for that

 

[syadasti]

ahhhh, makes sense. Then now I'm just surprised, I work in a building built in the 70's

Your rating is based on many criteria but the focus is the building. It also has several levels - certified, silver, gold, and platinum.

http://www.usgbc.org/DisplayPage.aspx?CMSPageID=145

 

[Toshi]

Washington State went from 0 MW in 1999 to over 2500 MW in 2011!

 

[Pesqueeb]

Fucking Kitzhaber. Thinking with the little head.

 

[Beef Supreme]

Fucking Kitzhaber. Thinking with the little head.

Kitz is getting exactly what he deserves. He hasn't done anything in his last term that wasn't motivated by greed or ego. Meanwhile there are others who wold be much better for the state waiting in the wings.

 

[Pesqueeb]

Kitz is getting exactly what he deserves. He hasn't done anything in his last term that wasn't motivated by greed or ego. Meanwhile there are others who wold be much better for the state waiting in the wings.

That's a shame. I have mostly fond memories of him as governor. Die a hero or live long enough to become the villain I guess.

 

[JohnE]

This truly exposes the idiocy of the right...if you truly want to be anti government, why not embrace solar and wind and free yourself from dependency on the dead dino juice that has led to so many wars?

 

[jonKranked]

oregon green jobs = pot farming?