[ummbikes]

but I hate Jews, Blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, Anglo Saxons, Asians, Gays, Heterosexuals, Roadies, Mounatinbikers, Blondes, Redheads.

You tools are rich, and this little section of the forum has been ruined by the narrow minded, bigoted bull**** from from Nicklin, Gen. Powell and N8. If I thought any of the three of you were capable of intelligent debate we might have something to discuss, but as is obvious, you three have a razor sharp, and narrow view of the world that refuses to allow for a view even slightly differing than you own.

Oh, when you make statements like, "not to be rascist..." you fool no one.

 

[valve bouncer]

Ummbikes, they just want to be comfortable in all their little prejudices. They feel it is unfair that they have to hide these feelings but realise they will look like idiots if they come right out and say it so they couch it in what they see as subtle terms, a little dig here, a nasty comment there all the while thinking they are so coy. Of course most people see right through them....... Pretty pathetic really, I agree.

 

[Silver]

Quick rule of thumb: When a person prefaces a comment with "Not to be racist, but..." it usually means that they just don't feel like pulling out the white hood with the eyeholes in it.

 

[zod]

What does being racist have to do with hating queers???

 

[LordOpie]

but I hate Jews and Roadies

well fvck you too!

if we didn't have idiots, then we'd have no one to feel superior too. Well, ok, by we, I mean me. If we didn't have idiots here, then I'd have no one to feel superior to

At least Nick and GenP actually say something, N8 doesn't.

 

[LordOpie]

Not to be a sexist, but there was a lot of sweet boobaloobaes out there today

 

[LordOpie]

Not to be a carist, but you drivers suck and don't know the rules of the road!

 

[Serial Midget]

My ass is sore form too many miles on the road bike today. So sad that you hate me now; you already know how I feel about "educators" phfftttttt.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

so, i have a question. maybe 2

i myself, have made a few remarks, that might be labeled as racist. though, i do not believe any of that race crap, but i do feel uncomfortable with some ethnic costumes,

like that of yelling of central americans, or the curry smell of the indian food, or others stuff like that. or in the jungles of brazil, being offered masato (a previously chewed and spit-on vegetable juice, aged to reach alcohol levels). and i´d guess most western people would alse have some sort of dislike for similar stuff.

i also dislike some social groups, such as rednecks, or ghetto city people, or spandex clad roadies, or mexican inmigrants. just by "coincidence", in the US, social groups also happen to be defined by race.

thus, by expressing my disliking of social groups, i might also be a racist by US standards, even though i have no general disliking for white people, or blacks, or gays. just for some rednecks (who happen to be white), or ghetto inner city (who happen to black), or the mexicans who are inmigrants (a minor mexican social class itself), or roadies, who well... happen to be shaved legs sissies. of course not 100%, but those are the faces of those social groups.

i dont believe that any of this things have to do with race, BUT i do believe some thing that bother me are intrinsec to their respective cultures. after all, central americans will yell, and not talk; iranians WILL get uncomfortable close when talking, and indian food will always leave you smelling like curry after eating. and i dont like some of those things, but i DONT believe they happen because they hace certain color skin, or whatever, nor that someone is better than other, but just different.

i also noticed that i´ve have not received any comment on my remarks in situ. being hispanic, jewish and a little asian would make me a triple minority in the US. i cannot avoid wondering, given what i´ve noticed in the US, did my "minority" state gave me some sort of carte blanche here??????

and my question is, is disliking some social group (groups that in the US happen te have race a common denominator too) racist????

 

[Serial Midget]

Yes, you appear to be racist and no - you don't have 'carte blance' simply because you see yourself as a minority. Most Americans have a little bit of the mutt about their family history.

 

[Tenchiro]

F*cking "Mounatinbikers" !!!

 

[nicklin]

"but I hate Jews, Blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, Anglo Saxons, Asians, Gays, Heterosexuals, Roadies, Mounatinbikers, Blondes, Redheads.

You tools are rich, and this little section of the forum has been ruined by the narrow minded, bigoted bull**** from from Nicklin, Gen. Powell and N8. If I thought any of the three of you were capable of intelligent debate we might have something to discuss, but as is obvious, you three have a razor sharp, and narrow view of the world that refuses to allow for a view even slightly differing than you own.

Oh, when you make statements like, "not to be rascist..." you fool no one."










did you actually read my thread? It's not about race, it's about fundamental rights and privilages of ALL citizens versus others.

"you tools are rich"?
i work for my **** and going to college at the same time, paying for myself. trust me, i ain't rich.

And i have way more background than you can claim to, trust me. PM me for details if you feel like learning something

I have been almost shot by aryan nation members for the color of my skin. you haven't. so calling me a racist is just silly.

but keep up the rants, it all of a sudden makes me feel very intelligent compared to you, and let me say this, narrow minded is all relative, what you see ain't always true just because you think you are "broad" minded.

have a nice day

 

[nicklin]

oh, btw, it's "racist", not "rascist"

 

[Serial Midget]

oh, btw, it's "racist", not "rascist"

So you're a grammar queen as well as a racist? :nuts:

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

Yes, you appear to be racist and no - you don't have 'carte blance' simply because you see yourself as a minority. Most Americans have a little bit of the mutt about their family history.

well, alright. i dont affirm i have a carte blanche, I ASKED if i was given one because i noticed nobody made any remarks on my comments. and i related this, to the fact that i dont see that many open minority racist being labeled as such in the US society. thus, i wondered if i was given the same treat here.

2nd, i see an issue of causality-casuality
(just came up with that word from the spanish casualidad, because i dont know the translation,hope you its right or you get the idea) here.

i say i dont like some manners from certain social groups. this is unrelated to their ethnicity. there is no causality relation, but only a casuality relation.
just like stating some statistic about grades or income according to ethnicity.

IMO there is nothing different in those statistics than to tabulate results according to age, or sex, eye color, or shoe size.
for example, the world bank does that, when they tabulate per capita incomes, which are based on nationality, and according to the definition of racism, ethnical differentiation is racist. and nationality-based statistics are basically ethnical-based statistics.

i dont think is racist to say for example, the market for ACDC cds, is basically anglosaxon english speakers (a perfectly defined ethnical differentiation), or saying brazil has the best soccer players.
as both examples use a casuality relationship, and nowhere in the statement, there is a hint of relating both by a causality relation. saying brazil has the best soccer players, DOES NOT mean, they are the best soccer player BECAUSE they are brazilians. such would be a racist remark.
and saying, most rednecks happen to white, or most ghetto inner city happen to be black is no different from the first. and saying that most rednecks are such BECAUSE they are white, or that most inner ghettos habitants are such BECAUSE they are black, is completely different and definately racist.

I think, it is more racist to assume a causality relationship, where only a casuality relationship exists. saying am racist because i say most rednecks are white, would mean an assumption by the other side of a causality relation, where i only see a casuality one. and that is more racist than my initial remark, IMO.

just like the people at the NAACP saying it the law system was racist because more minorities were in jail. there is nothing racist with probablity or minorities being more likely to be in jail, BUT the NAACP was racist, because they were implying a causality realtion, that because that people were minorities, they were in jail.

anyway, i tried some racism identifying game somebody posted a while ago, and i did not seem to have any bias against any race, if that has any relevance here.

 

[zod]

i also dislike some social groups, such as rednecks

"a Southern man don't need you around anyhow" LS :nuts:

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

"a Southern man don't need you around anyhow" LS :nuts:

lol,, like if i had not noticed that anyway.

and its okay with me, if they dislike some of my manners, like eating raw fish, or speaking very fast (both are very peruvian things). i totally understand that.
does that make them racists?

if i say i dont like communists, does that make me racist?? (after all, most of the comunists in the world, happen to be chinese)

if i dont like synchronized swiming, does that make me a sexist? (after all most of the SS-ers are female)

if i dont like hockey? (most pro hockey players are anglosaxons).

are these any different than disliking that hiphop attitude, or stuff like that, in which certain social groups have also ethnicity as another common characteristic, which to me is unrelated.

where did i cross the line in racism?? i dont want to be a raaaaaaaacist

truly, am not used to all this PC sensitivity. so if somebody can point out the difference, i´ll try to understand.

 

[Slugman]

i also noticed that i´ve have not received any comment on my remarks in situ. being hispanic, jewish and a little asian would make me a triple minority in the US. i cannot avoid wondering, given what i´ve noticed in the US, did my "minority" state gave me some sort of carte blanche here??????

Interesting that you assume that since someone is a minority that they can't be a racist... So only white Anglo Christians can be racist?

Good thing this piece of wonder bread is atheist...

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

Interesting that you assume that since someone is a minority that they can't be a racist... So only white Anglo Christians can be racist?

Good thing this piece of wonder bread is atheist...

thats exactly the opposite i was trying to say. i was asking if i wasnt been remarked in situ, because of my minority condition in a rhetorical way.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Serial Midget
Yes, you appear to be racist and no - you don't have 'carte blance' simply because you see yourself as a minority. Most Americans have a little bit of the mutt about their family history.


me:
well, alright. i dont affirm i have a carte blanche, I ASKED if i was given one because i noticed nobody made any remarks on my comments. and i related this, to the fact that i dont see that many open minority racist being labeled as such in the US society. thus, i wondered if i was given the same treat here.

 

[Serial Midget]

...to the fact that i dont see that many open minority racist being labeled as such in the US society. thus, i wondered if i was given the same treat here.

That might be because you aren't a tool and the fact that you say it is your "preference" or experience that causes you to be wary, you aren't going around say that Mexicans suck.

 

[Westy]

Not to be a carist, but you drivers suck and don't know the rules of the road!

Not to be a speciesist but I hate humans. They are nothing but loud obnoxious parasites on this planet.

 

[Dingus McGee]

Homophobia is gay.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

That might be because you aren't a tool and the fact that you say it is your "preference" or experience that causes you to be wary, you aren't going around say that Mexicans suck.

well, mexicans as a whole dont suck.

just the very specific mexican inmigrant class in the US and i think i´ve remarked that. a social group within an ethnic group, thus a social group also unrelated ethnically defined.

the mexican inmigrant group is to the average mexican, what a redneck is to the average anglosaxon, or what snoop dogg is to the black american community.
disliking snoop dogg´s look alikes is not racist, because race was not a factor in the disliking. though it may sound very racist, because most snoop doggs look alikes happen to be black.

they are a social group per se, even before coming from mexico, clearly defined in mexico. with mexican citizenship as the only overall characteristic i see exclusive to them. so i use that adjective in the lack of any better.

so in a way, is not the same saying, i dislike from the mexicans those who are inmigrants (a social group, within the mexicans, and mexican being the only common characteristic i see exclusive to them, thus the only i can use to describe BUT not the only group from which such persons migth be), than to say i dislike all the inmigrants from mexico (which would mean any person who crosses the border will be disliked because of his/her mexican origin). my position being the first.

i know, that sound racist, by i see a difference, and i dont feel race is being played as factor.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

is any different saying i dislike mexican inmigrants, than say, if i´m in mexico and i say, i dislike most people with XYZ, non ethnical, but demographic characteristics, like low educational levels, or informal economic activity, or higher than average crime rates, etc, etc. (what happen to be charactestics common within those mexicans likely to ilegally cross the border).

after all, both are definitions of the same thing.

following your definition then

is it racist to dislike the german nazis?? (a social group within the germans, and that doesnot imply that germans are nazis, or that i dislike from the nazis those with german origin, just saying i dislike from the germans, the nazis)

or to say i dont like the black panthers? (a social group within the african americans).

there is no different from the above.
and if somebody say referring to the mexican inmigrants in the US is different (in concept of social group within ethnical group only) or more racist than to refer to islamic extremists, or ultra-right americans, or german nazis, then that person is adding some racist something in the balance.

 

[nicklin]

alexis_dh:
I found out a long time ago that argue racism with a bunch of ultra PC americans is just about as fruitful as teaching the austrians to like jews: it's a good cause, but it is a lost cause. nine out of ten times they will come back and point out that in fact minorities and yourself should belong in the KKK because you are racist when you simply make a statement about anyone at anywhere in time.

Don't explain yourself too much, it makes you look nervous, just tell things as you see it.
that's why I'm pretty un-PC, because I tell things the way i see it and don't give a f*ck what others think. Do i like black people? sure. but I hate the ones that drive around in my town pretending they have a gun in the car ready to shoot me. Do I hate mexicans? God no, but I do hate those that sell cocaine and stuff and attempt to stab me in my school. Do i hate asians? not on a whole but a lot of do irritate me with how they act(which is extremely ironic but if you know me you would know). Do I hate white people? no, only the hypicritical ones and the self-righteous ones who believe they world revolves around them, and those who believe they are better than anyone else because they think they are mother earth's best friend. do I hate native americans? no. not at all.

I do what I do and I think what i think. It's that simple. I may be an ass sometimes, but that's a heck lot better than being timid to say my mind.

later

 

[MMike]

I hate the Inuit....and the Métis...

 

[MMike]

if i dont like synchronized swiming, does that make me a sexist? (after all most of the SS-ers are female)

.

Suck on THIS, racist...

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/local/scisoc/sports02/papers/rrouse.html

 

[llkoolkeg]

Everybody is prejudiced, but only when you allow your prejudices to overstep your civil decency and critical thinking do you truly become a racist...at least according to my definitions.

 

[LordOpie]

 

[Joe Pozer]

You tools are rich, and this little section of the forum has been ruined by the narrow minded, bigoted bull**** from from Nicklin, Gen. Powell and N8. If I thought any of the three of you were capable of intelligent debate we might have something to discuss, but as is obvious, you three have a razor sharp, and narrow view of the world that refuses to allow for a view even slightly differing than you own.

Oh, when you make statements like, "not to be rascist..." you fool no one.

So if someone has a different point of view than yours they are automatically bigots? If you can't change their minds then they are narrow minded?

I thought the purpose of debates where to discuss varying points of views. You accuse them of being narrow minded because they do not allow for view different than their own, but aren't you doing the exact same thing?

I didn't agree with everything Nicklin said but he did bring up some good points which were worth discussing. Unfortunately, people always get really bent over issues like race.