[nicklin]

http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,82%7E1865%7E2255247,00.html?search=filter

now my parents are of or children of recent immigrants, legally through all the buearacratic red tape, especially when it's in california where the INS is all screwed up with cases from the 60's that have't been processed yet.

so it pisses me off to see some people want it the easy way when so many other patiently do what they have to do and are considerate of others. so please don't give me the anti-immigrant crap.

 

[Serial Midget]

Meh... it's not like they're NOT going to drive - I mean it is CALIFORNIA... how else they gonna get around? Might as well attmpt to ensure the safety of the populace by testing and licensing all drivers.

 

[nicklin]

then we would have to have bilingual signs to accomadte those would-be legal drivers. Why don't we change our state name to mexifornia as soon as possible to make the illegals more at home?

 

[Serial Midget]

Might as well accept the future because it is now. In the meantime I think our Hispanic friends aren't having too much trouble with our signs.

then we would have to have bilingual signs to accomadte those would-be legal drivers. Why don't we change our state name to mexifornia as soon as possible to make the illegals more at home?

 

[chicodude]

if they are ILLEGAL immigrants, since they should be here in the first place, (because theyre illegal.) why do they think they should have a license?

just curious

 

[BuddhaRoadkill]

Why don't we change our state name to mexifornia as soon as possible to make the illegals more at home?

California: From a book, Las Sergas de Esplandián, by Garcia Ordóñez de Montalvo, c. 1500


Sounds like it's already Mexican [or at least Spanish, if you want to be technical].

 

[nicklin]

well, yes, it's true. it's funny, you know how well baja california and tijuana economies are doing under the mexican government, right? I'm so sad that America took california from mexico(not). Mexico and spanish used california as a religious out post and fishing villages, we(america) used it to feed the united states and much of the world and revolutionize the world with....oh, i don't know, computers that you and i enjoy. think mexico would have done that with california? that's why i don't why see california turing back into a mexican state, because the track record is not too good.....

 

[Velocity Girl]

I don't understand how someone who is in this country illegally can legally be given a drivers license???? It's knowingly aiding someone who is breaking the law?

 

[RhinofromWA]

then we would have to have bilingual signs to accomadte those would-be legal drivers. Why don't we change our state name to mexifornia as soon as possible to make the illegals more at home?

How about "Calico" ......*rim shot* *groan* it is a sickness.

 

[fluff]

Isn't the real problem the dependency of California's economy on illegal immigrants? And isn't that in itself morally questionable?

 

[Slugman]

I don't understand how someone who is in this country illegally can legally be given a drivers license???? It's knowingly aiding someone who is breaking the law?

It would be great if they just set it up like a big sting... c'mon in and get your license, just go right past this large door with the bars on it.

However it'll never happen. All the rich people would hate to pay a real wage to those who do the work around their homes/offices...

 

[llkoolkeg]

Might as well accept the future because it is now. In the meantime I think our Hispanic friends aren't having too much trouble with our signs.

Not that I use the PC terms myself, but I believe they now wish to be referred to as "Latino" vs. "Hispanic". It's a situation kinda like the "Asian" vs. "Oriental" thing, I believe.

 

[Slugman]

Not that I use the PC terms myself, but I believe they now wish to be referred to as "Latino" vs. "Hispanic".

The irony of that statement being that if you have a Latino sounding last name, everyone around here thinks your a mexican...

Pisses my Cuban-American wife off...

 

[BostonBullit]

I'm on board for the sting plan....come get your drivers license, no questions asked! ok, here it is, not get on this bus cause you're going back to mexico. buh bye then

 

[ummbikes]

It is a simple fact that California's agriculture industry is dependent on undocumented workers.

What I am curious about is why, of all the issues there are, people like to focus on hispanics "getting over" on the system? The issue of immigration is screwed up beacuse it has to be screwed up in order to keep a supply of cheap labor. If people don't like it and and push the undocumented workers out don't bitch when your damn lettuce is $4 a head.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Si senor...

 

[Serial Midget]

Isn't the real problem the dependency of California's economy on illegal immigrants? And isn't that in itself morally questionable?

Yes, but its not a "problem" we need their labor - even in my area we are becoming increasingly dependent on Mexican labor and its nothing new. In years past we have had waves of Pols, Swedes, Croatians and god knows what other nationalities were the predominant labor of the timber industry.

Without immigrant labor our country would be nothing. Boo hoo to those who don't realize that there probably isn't a single family in America who hasn't had at least one "illegal" member.

It's politically easy and safe to blame illegals for just about everything. The only thing I give the Bushes credit for is understanding our nations need for these workers - to bad his power base will not let him do anything about it.

 

[Westy]

there probably isn't a single family in America who hasn't had at least one "illegal" member.

I bet Skookums family doesn't have any illegals.

 

[Serial Midget]

However it'll never happen. All the rich people would hate to pay a real wage to those who do the work around their homes/offices...

You would be surprised to know that domestic workers are a tiny, tiny portion of the immigrant labor force. Most of the Mexican workers in my area have well paying, labor intensive jobs in the timber industry - these jobs pay between $12.00 and $18.00 an hour. White boys and girls can't fathom working that hard and usually quit after one day.

 

[fluff]

Yes, but its not a "problem" we need their labor - even in my area we are becoming increasingly dependent on Mexican labor and its nothing new. In years past we have had waves of Pols, Swedes, Croatians and god knows what other nationalities were the predominant labor of the timber industry.

Without immigrant labor our country would be nothing. Boo hoo to those who don't realize that there probably isn't a single family in America who hasn't had at least one "illegal" member.

It's politically easy and safe to blame illegals for just about everything. The only thing I give the Bushes credit for is understanding our nations need for these workers - to bad his power base will not let him do anything about it.

Ok, call it an 'issue'. Basically in order for the economy to function you need a steady supply of cheap labour without the same rights as US citizens, yeah?

Are they worth less than US citizens?

 

[BurlyShirley]

Are they worth less than US citizens?

In the priority line...yes.

 

[Serial Midget]

Actually I think you are reaching too far there fluff - there are instances where illegals are denied rights but it is not universal. When it comes to employment issues and hourly wages there is due process and the wages are significantly higher than that which can be earned in Mexico. It is NOT legal for anyone in the US to underpay and exploit foreign workers, those that get caught are routinely prosecuted. I think the average farm worker is paid on a production basis and makes more than your typical cow who works at Walmart.

I realize that you'd like to think the every American is out to take unfair advantage of foreign workers but the fact is that it's a two way street - these foreign works are beating down our doors for the opportunity of a better life than that which they currently have.

The fact remains that America is the Land of Opportunity where it is possible to start at the bottom and finish in the middle class.

Ok, call it an 'issue'. Basically in order for the economy to function you need a steady supply of cheap labour without the same rights as US citizens, yeah?

Are they worth less than US citizens?

 

[Slugman]

You would be surprised to know that domestic workers are a tiny, tiny portion of the immigrant labor force.

Actually, no I wouldn't be surprised... but im my area I'm sure the majority of the immigrants are doing "service" orientated jobs (at least as one of thier jobs).

The fact remains that America is the Land of Opportunity where it is possible to start at the bottom and finish in the middle class.

LOL

 

[nicklin]

it's nice and all for you folks who live faraway in the east and north areas to talk about these people's "oppotunities". But when you live in the same town you see t hat these people very quickly turn into what the "white boys and girls" are like within a generation. so theses extra population become what the problem is.

there is a town called watsonville in santa cruz county, which is like a miny east LA, and it literally turned into mexico, I'm talking people with mexican flag stickered on their car hoods. And I have known people that live there, and for them illegal immigration is something to be, shall we say, encouraged. it's one thing to have these workers to be here and support the economy, but gaining citizen rights like driver's licenses is where i draw the line. When you live with the issue, it's not an ideal, it's a choice.

 

[nicklin]

did i mention how fast they reproduce as devout catholics?

 

[Silver]

As a legal immigrant to California, I'm understanding when it comes to ducking the INS. Has anyone ever read "The Trial" by Kafka? That's what the INS is like. Ask five different people there the same question, and you'll get five different and contradictory answers.

And you have to be nice to them because one person in a bad mood can literally ruin your life...

 

[ummbikes]

Si senor...

N8 have great day! :nuts:

 

[MMike]

As a legal immigrant to California, I'm understanding when it comes to ducking the INS. Has anyone ever read "The Trial" by Kafka? That's what the INS is like. Ask five different people there the same question, and you'll get five different and contradictory answers.

And you have to be nice to them because one person in a bad mood can literally ruin your life...

That is completely true. When I was processing my green card, I had to call them and ask questions. So I'd ask something, and get AN answer. One day I had to call right back because I'd forgotten something. I got a different person. I asked more or less the same question, and got the exact opposite for an answer.

I ended up (for future calls), calling three times per question, and would take the answer as best two out of three.

I wish I were joking....

- Legal Alien

 

[Serial Midget]

Yeah... but at least you'll always have Brentwood and most of Idaho. Oh and... a drivers license is not a right - it's a priviledge.

there is a town called watsonville in santa cruz county, which is like a miny east LA, and it literally turned into mexico, I'm talking people with mexican flag stickered on their car hoods. And I have known people that live there, and for them illegal immigration is something to be, shall we say, encouraged. it's one thing to have these workers to be here and support the economy, but gaining citizen rights like driver's licenses is where i draw the line. When you live with the issue, it's not an ideal, it's a choice.

 

[Serial Midget]

N8 have great day! :nuts:

Don't waste your breath... I have your fork - star fangle nut already installed. Maybe I'll drive it out to you on Friday...

 

[nicklin]

to legal aliens:
you folks just supported my point. imagine the frustration to see someone who simply crossed the border somewhere and still demand much the same rights and privilages that you earned by jumping through the hoops and red tape and the inept INS, preferrably in their language. now that blows.

 

[Silver]

to legal aliens:
you folks just supported my point. imagine the frustration to see someone who simply crossed the border somewhere and still demand much the same rights and privilages that you earned by jumping through the hoops and red tape and the inept INS, preferrably in their language. now that blows.

No, I didn't support your point. I would have been screwed an unable to visit a terminally ill grandmother if I didn't have a good immigration lawyer.

Now, I speak English fluently and I had the money to afford it. I'm not pissed off about illegal aliens at all...so please don't stick words into my mouth. I don't have to live with the stress of getting deported everyday, they do.

 

[ummbikes]

Wow I'm convinced, we need to run every alien, legal or not, that has entered our country in the last 30 years off. Start with California's governor.

 

[Serial Midget]

Wow I'm convinced, we need to run every alien, legal or not, that has entered our country in the last 30 years off. Start with California's governor.

I think they want the white ones to stay - they blend easily as long as they don't speak.

 

[Tenchiro]

Is time to get gubernatorial on their asses!

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

Not that I use the PC terms myself, but I believe they now wish to be referred to as "Latino" vs. "Hispanic". It's a situation kinda like the "Asian" vs. "Oriental" thing, I believe.

latino???, sounds way too much like ricky martin and all that loud central american people. hmm, i´d rather be called hispanic.

thinking about it, latino means from latin origin.

latins are all the south-central americans, including brazil (portuguese is a latin based laguage). spain too, and not by a stretch italy as well (after all, we got the spanish, from the latin, from the romans).

hispanic refers to the spanish speakers (spanish and non spanish speaking south american cultures are very different, so i dont think they should get the same name).

but in fact, i´d rather not have an specific name.

why naming everyone who is not white-protestant-male-hetero??

thats something i never understood, and actually shocked me the first time i was filling my school papers. that mark your race question.

 

[BMXman]

wow...I can't believe what I have read here....D

 

[ummbikes]

then we would have to have bilingual signs to accomadte those would-be legal drivers. Why don't we change our state name to mexifornia as soon as possible to make the illegals more at home?

there is a town called watsonville in santa cruz county, which is like a miny east LA, and it literally turned into mexico, I'm talking people with mexican flag stickered on their car hoods.

did i mention how fast they reproduce as devout catholics?

Yes, I read your thread Nicklin.

 

[llkoolkeg]

latino???, sounds way too much like ricky martin and all that loud central american people. hmm, i´d rather be called hispanic.

thinking about it, latino means from latin origin.

latins are all the south-central americans, including brazil (portuguese is a latin based laguage). spain too, and not by a stretch italy as well (after all, we got the spanish, from the latin, from the romans).

hispanic refers to the spanish speakers (spanish and non spanish speaking south american cultures are very different, so i dont think they should get the same name).

but in fact, i´d rather not have an specific name.

why naming everyone who is not white-protestant-male-hetero??

thats something i never understood, and actually shocked me the first time i was filling my school papers. that mark your race question.

Please don't assume that I think the distinction made any sense whatsoever. I hate being called white or caucasian. I'm more of an overripe peach, if you ask me.

 

[LordOpie]

"What happens when my rooster gets its legs stuck in your donkey's mouth?"

Two feet of my cock in your ass.