Now you get mad?

Pesqueeb · Mar 30, 2010

Sad because its true. Gonna have to put that up under the tea party poster.
:facepalm:

IH8Rice · Mar 30, 2010

"illegal wars?" is there any war that is legal? :think:

stevew · Mar 30, 2010

patriot act vote 01

Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Breaux (D-LA), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Yea
Campbell (R-CO), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carnahan (D-MO), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Yea
Cleland (D-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corzine (D-NJ), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Yea
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Edwards (D-NC), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Fitzgerald (R-IL), Yea
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (D-FL), Yea
Gramm (R-TX), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Helms (R-NC), Yea
Hollings (D-SC), Yea
Hutchinson (R-AR), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Jeffords (I-VT), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Not Voting
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Miller (D-GA), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Nickles (R-OK), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-NH), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thompson (R-TN), Yea
Thurmond (R-SC), Yea
Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wellstone (D-MN), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Yea

stevew · Mar 30, 2010

06 renewal

Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bond (R-MO)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Burr (R-NC)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Dayton (D-MN)
DeMint (R-SC)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT) Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY) Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

Westy · Mar 30, 2010

Don't forget about the Republicans adding prescription drugs to Medicare.

Pesqueeb · Apr 5, 2010

Reminded me of this thread. From NPR.

Don Imus and Chris Wallace are mad at us — or rather they are mad at my colleague Cokie Roberts, for something she said on Tell Me More last week. We were talking about women in politics at the conclusion of Women's History Month, and Cokie made the point that women in public life are still spoken about in a demeaning way that men rarely are.

She was responding to a point I raised, about an exchange on Imus' radio program. Imus asked Fox News host Chris Wallace, who was looking forward to interviewing former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, if he would conduct the interview with Palin while she sat on his lap. Wallace replied, "One can only hope."

I made the point that Palin is also a Fox contributor and a member of the "Fox family" as it were, but that didn't spare her from being subjected to this sexist palaver, and Cokie made the point that the lure of the boy's club often trumps ideology.

Web Resources
Chris Wallace 'Hopes' Sarah Palin Sits On His LapMichel Martin And Cokie Roberts On The 'Lap' Comment

March 31, 2010Don Imus, Chris Wallace Discuss Cokie Roberts' CriticismsIt seems that Imus and Wallace did not appreciate our remarks: Imus accused Cokie of being "hysterical," and Wallace — whose office was next door to mine and down the hall from Cokie's when we all worked at ABC News together — pretended not to remember who she was.

So why talk about it at all? Because they just made Cokie's point and mine. Thanks, fellows.

Evidently, women are supposed to — to paraphrase Palin's words in another context — just sit down and shut up. Isn't it funny how people who bully people for a living get really annoyed when somebody takes issue with it? You're not only supposed to let them push you around; you're supposed to like it.

Well, can I just tell you? The great thing about America today is that Don Imus and Chris Wallace get to have their say, but so do Cokie and I. The worrisome thing is who is not being heard. We keep hearing these days from members of certain groups that they are forced to scream at public officials at hearings — and even spit and name-call — because these officials aren't listening to them on matters like the deficit and health care reform and immigration.

But who was listening to the millions of people who didn't have health insurance all these years, and who were one heart attack or car accident or flu season away from bankruptcy? Who was listening as millions of people got risky mortgages they shouldn't have had instead of safer ones for which they were actually eligible? Who was listening when millions of people came into this country without authorization and then got jobs and houses and furniture, and got married and had kids and enrolled those kids in school, and the entire country looked the other way, until, of course the economy turned sour and the country decided their services were no longer needed and is now disrupting those lives and ties in a brutal way?

It seems odd to me that the fury erupts now that there is an aggressive effort to face these problems head-on. I cannot help but think that what the fury is really about is the loss of entitlement. It used to be that men with a shred of power could say whatever they wanted about women and women had to put up with it, or get a man to duel for them or something. Well now women get to rock the mike too.

It used to be, and often still is, that one set of values or perspectives dominates the way we look at issues and talk about them. You can see where the people who share that particular perspective begin to feel they are entitled to shape the conversation for all time. But things change — new voices rise, different people win elections, or dare we say it, get on the radio. Maybe some people have a problem with that. Tough. Because we're not going anywhere.

sanjuro · Apr 5, 2010

No, We're Not Going To Sit Down And Shut Up

If you sit down, you can't get me a sandwich...

$tinkle · Apr 6, 2010

turnabout being fair play & all, here's the freeper list:
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzI4MjQ3Mzk4MWJkNDkwNWZlYzcwNDA3NmQyNmIxYmI=

oh, and your/kos kids' list is pretty much packed w/ strawman args; remember the campaign trail when all the R's were tripping all over themselves running to the center? it's more of the same.

dante · Apr 6, 2010

$tinkle said:
turnabout being fair play & all, here's the freeper list:
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzI4MjQ3Mzk4MWJkNDkwNWZlYzcwNDA3NmQyNmIxYmI=

oh, and your/kos kids' list is pretty much packed w/ strawman args; remember the campaign trail when all the R's were tripping all over themselves running to the center? it's more of the same.

You realize that list is just a contradiction of statements for BHO, not *actually* anything like what Jon posted, right? Wake up and smell the hypocrisy on the right, since that's about all they have to offer these days. My most recent favorite is the bit about Bunning and the other GOP cutting off unemployment benefits since the money wasn't appropriated for elsewhere in the budget... Of course, 2 unfunded wars and 2 tax cuts that didn't have offsetting cuts to spending didn't seem to bother them, along with the Medicare drug plan, more tax cuts, or stimulus spending in their own districts.

$tinkle · Apr 6, 2010

dante said:
You realize that list is just a contradiction of statements for BHO, not *actually* anything like what Jon posted, right? Wake up and smell the hypocrisy on the right, since that's about all they have to offer these days. My most recent favorite is the bit about Bunning and the other GOP cutting off unemployment benefits since the money wasn't appropriated for elsewhere in the budget... Of course, 2 unfunded wars and 2 tax cuts that didn't have offsetting cuts to spending didn't seem to bother them, along with the Medicare drug plan, more tax cuts, or stimulus spending in their own districts.

so you believe there's enough difference b/t "just a contradiction" & "hypocrisy" to claim they are east & west? odd.

also, bunning didn't vote to cut off benefits, but *threatened* to vote against *extending* benefits 30 days b/c there was nothing in place to pay for it. you acknowledged this, but somehow think fiscal responsibility should now be his weak suit. i'm not aware of how he voted on many spending measures of the war(s), but i expect it to be in line w/ quite a few dems, seeing how they've controlled both chambers of congress for quite a while, and had the votes to block in yrs prior if they believed spending to be unnecessary.

dante · Apr 6, 2010

$tinkle said:
so you believe there's enough difference b/t "just a contradiction" & "hypocrisy" to claim they are east & west? odd.

also, bunning didn't vote to cut off benefits, but *threatened* to vote against *extending* benefits 30 days b/c there was nothing in place to pay for it.

No, he blocked the unanimous consent required to bring it to the floor. He didn't *threaten* do anything, he DID block it.

And yes, there is a difference when it's a contradiction to what BHO said at one point (and what he's done) and the fact that scores of Teabaggers had absolutely zero problems with any of the things that JK pointed out. One is the actions of one person, and the other is the actions of thousands of stupid people who for some reason are horribly offended when Democrats do something, but were perfectly fine when the Republicans did the exact same thing.

i'm not aware of how he voted on many spending measures of the war(s), but i expect it to be in line w/ quite a few dems,

And see, this is the difference between "consistency" and "hypocrisy". Democrats voted for funding the war. Democrats voted for extending unemployment benefits. Republicans voted for funding the war. Republicans are BLOCKING extending unemployment benefits.

See the difference?

$tinkle · Apr 6, 2010

dante said:
No, he blocked the unanimous consent required to bring it to the floor. He didn't *threaten* do anything, he DID block it.

what can i say? bunning must hate black ppl
btw, he relented & it did pass.
if it matters.

dante said:
And yes, there is a difference when it's a contradiction to what BHO said at one point (and what he's done) and the fact that scores of Teabaggers had absolutely zero problems with any of the things that JK pointed out. One is the actions of one person, and the other is the actions of thousands of stupid people who for some reason are horribly offended when Democrats do something, but were perfectly fine when the Republicans did the exact same thing.

errmmm...there was no tea party then.
next, that list was stuff done under bush, and not mimicked since (excepting for proxy torture, perhaps, which still goes on per obama's bidding)
plus, i think the list would be more credible if it followed the form "you didnt' get as mad as us when..."

dante said:
And see, this is the difference between "consistency" and "hypocrisy". Democrats voted for funding the war. Democrats voted for extending unemployment benefits. Republicans voted for funding the war. Republicans are BLOCKING extending unemployment benefits.

See the difference?

no; no i do not.
maybe b/c i understand hypocrisy to mean "do as i say, not as i do", like exempting MOC from recent HC legislation.
if republicans were voting to extend unemp benefits during the bush era, but not now, and w/o any new information, then i could see it. but seeing how it never came to a vote, there was no opportunity for anyone to make this claim.

you see the gap i can't bridge?

dante · Apr 6, 2010

$tinkle said:
what can i say? bunning must hate black ppl
btw, he relented & it did pass.
if it matters.

No, it didn't. Coburn blocked it after Bunning relented...

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/89265-sen-coburn-blocks-extension-of-unemployment-benefits-threatens-start-of-recess

errmmm...there was no tea party then.

Exactly, why wasn't there a spontaneous uprising then? Maybe because it wasn't manufactured by Faux News then?

no; no i do not.
maybe b/c i understand hypocrisy to mean "do as i say, not as i do", like exempting MOC from recent HC legislation.
if republicans were voting to extend unemp benefits during the bush era, but not now, and w/o any new information, then i could see it. but seeing how it never came to a vote, there was no opportunity for anyone to make this claim.

You mean like this?

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/02/bunning-unemployment-2003/

U.S. Senator Jim Bunning today announced that legislation to extend temporary unemployment benefits for an additional five months has passed the United States Congress. The legislation, which was unanimously approved yesterday by the Senate and by a vote of 416-4 today in the House, would also provide a temporary 13-week extension of unemployment benefits for all individuals who exhaust their traditional benefits before June 1, 2003. The 108th Congress is off to a solid start, said Bunning. This is hopeful news for our most needy families in Kentucky. By approving this legislation we will help those folks who are currently without work continue to make ends meet until they can find new employment. Passage of this legislation means that there will be no lapse in assistance for the nearly 10,000 Kentuckians who have filed claims so far for extended benefits. The last extension expired on December 28, 2002. President Bush is expected to sign the bill tomorrow, which means the next payment to states can still be made on Friday, January 10, as originally scheduled.

Jeez, I thought you'd at least make us put *some* type of effort into this... :rolleyes:

$tinkle · Apr 6, 2010

jonKranked said:
It's about the gross and blatant hypocrisy of the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

2000 election? you lost. legally. i see you're still not over that. pity. still not mad.

cheney? still not mad.

the outing of valery plame? sure they got pissed. just not as pissed as you when you thought it was karl rove or scooter libby. and then nowhere near as pissed when you were made to look like a huge ass when you found out it was actually richard armitage. still not mad.

patriot act? still not mad.

"illegal" war(s)? still not mad.

missing brewsters millions? i suppose someone got mad. not mad now. all better.

torture? a few were mad (mccain & co.). not mad now.

wiretapping? are/were they mad about this? i say they're nuts for this, esp since obama's still doing it.

OBL? not mad now.

nawlins? we they put out w/ the mayor of choc city, along w/ teh gov'r; besides, brownie did a heckuva job

walter reed? who do you think led the charge? anti-war types who went there to spit on baby killers & yet wanted them to have better conditions?

debt hitting the trillion dollar mark? of course the republicans were mad. did you think TARP was pencil-whipped w/ the full support of house republicans. were you asleep?

as to the closing para: i believe everyone *but* obama zombies want to keep seeing their dr. at the same costs (less would be nice...), & not have one mandated by the gov't & receive less care (more ppl in teh system & same dr's will have exactly one outcome - think about it). as for corruption? are you SERIOUS? there's an entire industry of talk radio & cable news whose bread & butter is daily red meat about political corruption.

when you read dailykos, it shows. it's a leftist blog of thugs.

$tinkle · Apr 6, 2010

dante said:
No, it didn't. Coburn blocked it after Bunning relented...

"Coburn said he would not agree to extensions unless their cost was offset and would not add to the federal deficit." -- how *dare* he demonstrate fiscal responsibility. why won't the dems? i hope this matters to you

dante said:
[re: no tea party then]
Exactly, why wasn't there a spontaneous uprising then? Maybe because it wasn't manufactured by Faux News then?

hardly. eric odom is a (unsurprisingly, i hope) libertarian.
the coffee party, however...well, just take a read at real astroturf

dante said:
You mean like this?

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/02/bunning-unemployment-2003/

Jeez, I thought you'd at least make us put *some* type of effort into this...

ok, i'll grant you that. paygo wasn't important to him when he was trying to get re-elected.

jonKranked said:
so you didn't read the article, did you?

now i'm really confused: you read dailykos *and* rosie?

man card. let's have it.

dante · Apr 6, 2010

$tinkle said:
"Coburn said he would not agree to extensions unless their cost was offset and would not add to the federal deficit." -- how *dare* he demonstrate fiscal responsibility. why won't the dems? i hope this matters to you

The WHOLE point is that he didn't give two flying fvcks about the deficit when promoting two unfunded wars, and two unfunded tax cuts along with extending unemployment benefits back under Bushie (in '03 *and* '08). Remember, by '03 WE HAD A BUDGET DEFICIT, so he was all for unfunded unemployment benefits then... that's called HYPOCRITE.

edit: even your right-wing commentators feel the same: http://www.redcounty.com/jim-bunning-paygo-nogo-hypocrite/37764

$tinkle · Apr 6, 2010

so it boils down to this: some dude who relies upon dailykos *and* rosie for their responses to anti-obama emails.

bucket full of awesome right there.

sanjuro · Apr 6, 2010

What bothers me is that Bunning's and Coburn's constituents are probably cheering their filibusters...

kidwoo · Apr 6, 2010

$tinkle said:
walter reed? who do you think led the charge? anti-war types who went there to spit on baby killers & yet wanted them to have better conditions?

yerz decades is kunfyoosed

$tinkle · Apr 6, 2010

kidwoo said:
yerz decades is kunfyoosed

anachronism is teh new black: http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2010/03/24/san-francisco-anti-war-rally-the-new-communisttruthjihad-alliance/2/

kidwoo · Apr 6, 2010

Jeesh.

You really think THOSE people were the ones bitching about walter reed?

Seems like a vegan carob bar discovered to contain honey would be their focus for injustice.

$tinkle · Apr 6, 2010

kidwoo said:
Jeesh.

You really think THOSE people were the ones bitching about walter reed?

Seems like a vegan carob bar discovered to contain honey would be their focus for injustice.

a fb-friend-of-a-friend who was following this chic on twitter found this: berkeley war stories

i must has.

speaking of vegan: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/unicorn-meat.shtml

kidwoo · Apr 6, 2010

$tinkle said:
a fb-friend-of-a-friend who was following this chic on twitter found this: berkeley war stories

Aw man. I was with her for a little while. Then there was the need for a bag to carry a small hand sized box.

Then this at the end.

So, friends, welcome to a slice of Berkeley life! If you like what you've heard, please support any and all Obama policies. Because the far left would love nothing more than to export its thought police and green meanies to a neighborhood near you.

Attributing berkely as representative of all general left leaning thinking is like calling all conservatives fans of prussian blue.

And since prussian blue is young girls, we know that would be ridiculous.

$tinkle · Apr 6, 2010

kidwoo said:
Attributing berkely as representative of all general left leaning thinking is like calling all conservatives fans of prussian blue.

it was a misstep insomuch that true leftists are disappointed w/ obama's on-going war effort. and i'm led to believe berkeley is h-core leftist, not date-rape liberal

kidwoo said:
And since prussian blue is young girls, we know that would be ridiculous.

not necessarily; they're young enough to still be androgynous & hanson-esque

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