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  1. $tinkle

    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    Gun sales soar with Obama election
    a serious question: why would you need an ar15, m16, or m4? and if you have a serious answer, do you also need a 203 or a grenade launcher?
     

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  2. sanjuro

    sanjuro Tube Smuggler

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    How are the Barrett sales?
     
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    $tinkle - this from someone who's considering a Saturday night special?
     
  4. $tinkle

    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    exactly.

    not something targeted at a man; give me handgun or shotgun for a realistic defensive weapon.
     
  5. Westy

    Westy the teste

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    I remember the same thing happening when they were legislating the assault weapon ban in the mid 90's. The end result was people paid twice as much for a gun that they could have gotten post ban sans the bayonet lug.

    I don't think Obama has supported any further bans other than making the current A.W. ban (that the current administration extended) permanent
     
  6. jimmydean

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    I've needed an M203 since the 2000 election, but due to the tech stock crash, my priorities went elsewhere.

    Now that's what I call self defense!

     
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    Westy the teste

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    A pretty good offensive weapon too. You might want something with more reach if you often hang out in freshly plowed fields in Nebraska.
     
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    I've been stocking up on white women myself.
     
  9. $tinkle

    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    legal in 49.

    no gun for you!
     
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    Samirol Turbo Monkey

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    The bigger the gun, the more liberties you secure, duh! If you have an AR-15, you get your choice of 8 civil liberties, while a handgun only gets 3.
     
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    I was out riding the Sunday before the election and heard an unusual amount of gun fire.....

    There is no hunting here on Sundays and it's bow season anyway. I figured it was the Reds gearing up for the civil war....
     
  12. Transcend

    Transcend My Nuts Are Flat

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    Shotgun with a home defense load. nice big spread, lots of power, and will not blast through the walls and kill your neighbor's kid.

    I love the morons who talk big and think they can hit a home in vader from across the house, with a rifle or handgun, in the dark, with adrenaline pumping, not 100% awake.

    Good luck hitting the broad side of a barn under those conditions without proper military/SWAT training.
     
  13. ohio

    ohio The Fresno Kid

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    Weaver stance!

    See, Obama is already stimulating the economy.
     
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    manimal Ociffer Tackleberry

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    Are you aware that the average semi-auto hunting rifle found at walmart is far more dangerous than an ar-15 in regards to range and power? the gun ignorant can't see past the military "look" and assume that because a weapon looks intimidating that it must be unnecessary. the truth is that the ar-15/m-16 platform is a very simple, accurate, and capable weapons platform for home and homeland defense. banning guns or types of guns has proven futile in itself because one thing never changes: criminals and government leaders don't abide by the rules and i refuse to succumb to either.

    a little reminder. the 2nd ammendment isn't just for in-home defense; it's also intended for homeland defense and i personally don't want to be stuck bringing a bb-gun to a war. it's like the difference in having full coverage car insurance instead of just liability...at least i'll know i'm covered. ;)
     
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    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    ^^^ wat he said

     
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    Transcend My Nuts Are Flat

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    The average hunting rifle is bolt action, an AR-15 is not. An AR-15 is also fairly easy to convert to full auto given the proper knowledge and a pre-ban trigger assembly.

    Compare apples to apples here, dude.

    The second amendment was indeed for national defense, at the time when a professional army did not exist. It does exist now, and includes local chapters in the National Guard. ie: citizens do not need to defend the homeland anymore unless they are enrolled in said professional army.
     
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    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    today's thread-relevant strategy forecast email addresses the barrett, p90, & mexican border problems
     
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    I was making a joke at the whole "guns protect liberties" argument, because it is completely ridiculous and not based in reality.

    We spend nearly as much as the entire world combined on the military, if we spent far less on the military, then the homeland defense argument might hold water, but it simply doesn't work. The outside threat to the U.S comes from big missiles, not from a land or sea invasion.

    Gun bans don't work in the U.S because of the proliferation of guns, and I've never suggested that a gun ban is possible in the U.S.
     
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    ohio The Fresno Kid

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    damn.
     
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    What is he getting handed?
     
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    Transcend My Nuts Are Flat

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    How does one get their hands on a LAW, an FN P90 and 7 Barrett's? Jeez.
     
  22. $tinkle

    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    subpoena?
    paternity test results?
    vote or die ballot?
    kanye west's lyrics?
    white gun owners' addresses?
     
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    You are aware that the people you would be fighting likely have armor, and air support.

    Good luck.
     
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    Secret Squirrel There is no Justice!

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    "The Barrett: When you absolutely, positively need that philandering, illegal pool boy/gardener skull f*cked at 1500 yards."
     
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    Squeak Get your pork here.

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    I have seen Red Dawn, I know I could pwn some commies.

    WOLVERINES!!!!
     
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    Avenge Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

    Random Fact: Red Dawn was the first pg-13 movie.
     
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    JohnE filthy rascist

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    Random fact. Red Dawn was actually based on fact. The real truth has been hushed up by corrupt politicians for years. We have been living under indirect Soviet and Cuban rule for years. True story...

    Damn, Jennifer Grey was hot.
     
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    JohnE filthy rascist

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    There is also talk of a remake...we must really be screwed, with the PTB trying to placate us into 15 more years of servitude. Damn Socialists!
     
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    Somewhere in Iraq, a guy wearing sandals and a tracksuit is telling you to HTFU.
     
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    Fixed
     
  31. Samirol

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    Yeah, the Iraqi resistance in taking the country was massive

    edit: I know what you mean, but the possibility of a land army invasion into the U.S is next to nothing.
     
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    Yeah, it's only by the grace of the Colonial army being so well equipped that we beat the poor, rag-tag British back to home. And those Iraqis sure are doing pretty well with small arms and stolen/smuggled/scavenged munitions.

    The argument is not at all ridiculous. However, many gun owners are, which helps make it seem that way.

    And because there's no current credible threat of an amphibious or aerial invasion of the US at the moment doesn't mean there never was or never will be again (especially with the ascendence of China and a renewed Russia), so I don't see why that thread of argument really goes anywhere, either.

    As far as anyone "needing" a specific gun, the legal onus is not on the citizen to prove a need, but for the government to prove a public interest in regulation. Obviously, there's a pretty good case for some sort of reasonable-person standard regulation...the debate is what's "reasonable" in this case, which is why we have debate, legistlation, and judicial review.

    Anyhow, once Skynet becomes self-aware, you will all get the point.
     
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    Iraq and Colonial America didn't have nuclear capabilities, which is such a major game changer. Russia and China aren't threats because, again, of nuclear weapons. We spend 10 times what Russia does on the military.

    China represents a much larger economic threat, but not a military one.

    My thread of argument revolves around that any military threat comes in the form of nuclear winter, not from the land, sea, or air.
     
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    don't forget france actually helped us turn the revolution
     
  35. MikeD

    MikeD Leader and Demogogue of the Ridemonkey Satinists

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    OK, sure, I agree that nukes would be the worst of all. That doesn't somehow obviate other threats.

    If being shot sucks, that doesn't make being stabbed hurt any less, or make it less likely.
     
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    China is currently building the biggest army the world has ever seen, who the **** do you think they'll aim it at?

    I love the "can't happen here" attitude from most Americans. We aren't as strong as many seem to think we are, & I just hope we never have to find out the hard way..
     
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    ohio The Fresno Kid

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    Then what the **** have we been spending all this money on?

    If you're telling me we have spent as much as the rest of the world combined on military and defense for the last 50 years, and we're "not that strong" then the DoD has some serious explaining to do.

    Go back to Iraq part 1. We routed the 3rd largest army in the world in a couple of weeks. Iraq part 2, we routed their military in a matter of days. All while maintaining a domestic presence and numerous other major international presences.

    China is growing, Russia is reinvesting in military. Neither of them are YET a credible threat. When they start getting closer (like say 20% of our size), maybe we can start reinvesting. Spending now is wasting money on equipment that will be obsolete by the time we need it and could be spent suring up our infrastructure so we actually have an economy to pay for a war. Additionally, until those two start getting a little closer, our own government and people are greater threats to us.
     
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    Indeed.

    I know I'm more worried about the tweeker on the bus accidentally stabbing me with a dirty hypodermic than Russia or China invading.
     
  39. jimmydean

    jimmydean The Official Meat of Ridemonkey

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    Speak for yourself, pussy.
     
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    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    he may be onto something: Lawsuit filed in defence of Marine vet’s anti-Islam decals
    here's the offensive material

    **warning** NSFM (not safe for mosque)