[SDH]

One thing is certain however, International Relations will be much improved and the world will hate America that much less over the next 4 years. That's a major step in the right direction.

I do not know if I buy that improved American standing stuf.

The reality of the situation is American is that big brother that you love to hate. Yeah, he pushes you around, man handles you so he gets the extra scoop of ice cream, bullies you out of your Wii but in the end when you can't handle the bully in the school yard or you need some extra cash for something frivolous, he is there to help you out when mom and dad or others won't.

 

[jimmydean]

I am with you
Wait til the next big world win............TAX increase for all!

Funny, how the average American actually thinks we are not going to pay the piper for all of these bail outs! There is no free lunch, I do not care who is the Prez.

I've been saying it since day 1. I KNOW there is a tax increase on the way. Fighting on 2 fronts while banks wrote checks they KNEW couldn't clear, and automakers too stupid to redesign cars have dug a HUGE ASS HOLE.

I know a lot of republicans that said "just watch what YOUR guy does to your paycheck" and I have gladly offered up. As long as the money goes where it SHOULD, I'm cool with that because I don't want my daughter to have to pay the bill.

 

[dante]

riiiiiiiiiiiight, the banks had nothing to do with it...

If all 50 states were to join, the settlement could provide $8.7 billion in relief to 400,000 borrowers, Hagan said.

and that's only Countrywide. you could also have your choice of Ameriquest, WaMu, Chevy Chase Bank, etc.

if a 12 year old is caught drinking at a bar with a fake ID, the bar owner / bartender are the ones who get in trouble (in addition to the 12 year old). your claim that the banks are blameless because the homeless guy SAID that he had a job making $250,000/year, so it's his fault the bank gave him the loan is pretty far-fetched...

 

[Defenestrated]

Well as much as we all want to believe it is, it really isn't. You cannot abandon the mess made in Iraq. It will melt down worse than it has already.

Did the Iraqi government already tell us to be out by a certain date?

And health care, while it HAS to happen, there is no money to pay for the type of system we all want to see.

There is plenty of money for Universal care, however, first one must decide if the government should provide for its citizens instead of buy that new fleet of bombers, or build that next destroyer.

 

[Transcend]

Did the Iraqi government already tell us to be out by a certain date?



There is plenty of money for Universal care, however, first one must decide if the government should provide for its citizens instead of buy that new fleet of bombers, or build that next destroyer.

The US wastes a ridiculous amount of money, there is no question there. And while I am sure they could find it if they eliminate every single lame project and start the budget from scratch, I doubt it will happen. Canada, Sweden Etc. can get away with it as it simply costs less to do it for 30 million vs 300 million. Canada has run a surplus of a billion or 3 dollars for the last 8 years or so I believe, and they are the only G10 member to do so. we have way mroe social programs, so it is definitely possible.

What the US spends on defense is relative. They only spend about 4% of GDP at this point, which is a historical low for the US. The UK at 2.5% and China at 2.8%. Canada sits about 1.1%. Of course, if we were ever invaded, it's game over for us. It's a huge amount of money in the US, but not astronomical by a long shot. North Korea spend 22.5%!

The real killer right now is the war in Iraq and all these nonsensical "bailout" checks they are writing. Hey let's buy people's mortgages because they spent way more than they can afford? Last I checked, that is what bankruptcy was for.

 

[dante]

Canada sits about 1.1%. Of course, if we were ever invaded, it's game over for us.

Don't worry, we'll always protect our 51st state.

 

[chicodude]

The US wastes a ridiculous amount of money, there is no question there. And while I am sure they could find it if they eliminate every single lame project and start the budget from scratch, I doubt it will happen. Canada, Sweden Etc. can get away with it as it simply costs less to do it for 30 million vs 300 million. Canada has run a surplus of a billion or 3 dollars for the last 8 years or so I believe, and they are the only G10 member to do so. we have way mroe social programs, so it is definitely possible.

What the US spends on defense is relative. They only spend about 4% of GDP at this point, which is a historical low for the US. The UK at 2.5% and China at 2.8%. Canada sits about 1.1%. Of course, if we were ever invaded, it's game over for us. It's a huge amount of money in the US, but not astronomical by a long shot. North Korea spend 22.5%!

The real killer right now is the war in Iraq and all these nonsensical "bailout" checks they are writing. Hey let's buy people's mortgages because they spent way more than they can afford? Last I checked, that is what bankruptcy was for.

Taking over canada? I was not aware canada had lotsa oil...

 

[Transcend]

Taking over canada? I was not aware canada had lotsa oil...

Que?

Canada has about 179 billion barrels of crude in proven reserves. That's a whole lot of crude. Saudi Arabia has 267 billion barrels of reserves. The difference is the oil sands are incredibly expensive to extract oil from. We have the second largest reserves on earth, ahead of Iran, Iraq, Kuwait and the UAE.

The Us has 21 billion barrels.

Edit: Wikipedia says canada has 179 billion total, 481 in the oil sands alone out West.

Canadian Oil Sands Trust provides a pure investment opportunity in the oil sands through its 36.74% interest in the Syncrude Project. Syncrude is a leader in Canada’s oil sands industry, operating since 1978 with a productive capacity today of 350,000 barrels per day of light, high-quality crude oil.

Structured as an income trust, Canadian Oil Sands has approximately 481.5 million units outstanding, and trades on the Toronto Stock Exchange under the symbol COS.UN.

According to the Oil and Gas Journal, Saudi Arabia contains approximately 267 billion barrels of proven oil reserves (including 2.5 billion barrels in the Saudi-Kuwaiti shared "Neutral" Zone), amounting to around one-fifth of proven, conventional world oil reserves. Around two-thirds of Saudi reserves are considered "light," "extra light" or “super light” grades of oil, with the rest either "medium" or "heavy." Although Saudi Arabia has around 100 major oil and gas fields (and more than 1,500 wells), over half of its oil reserves are contained in only eight fields, including the giant 1260-square mile Ghawar (the world's largest oil field, with estimated remaining reserves of 70 billion barrels) and Safaniya, including Khafji and Hout (the world's largest offshore oilfield, with estimated reserves of 20 billion barrels).

 

[chicodude]

Que?

Canada has about 179 billion barrels of crude in proven reserves. That's a whole lot of crude. Saudi Arabia has 267 billion barrels of reserves. The difference is the oil sands are incredibly expensive to extract oil from. We have the second largest reserves on earth, ahead of Iran, Iraq, Kuwait and the UAE.

The Us has 21 billion barrels.

Edit: Wikipedia says canada has 179 billion total, 481 in the oil sands alone out West.

Oh.

Looks like my humor train left a wee bit early.


Well, prepare to get invaded, oh sweet land of OIL

 

[Defenestrated]

Operation Canadian Freedom is a go.

 

[Transcend]

It'd make it easier to get a US work permit, that's for sure.

Also, your humour train was caught. I just decided to get off and walk instead.

 

[sanjuro]

Operation Canadian Freedom is a go.

I want to liberate the Canadian Ballet.

 

[kidwoo]

It's fvcking hilarious anyone could equate a pre-term president to an 8 year fvck up.


Actually it's not that funny on second thought. It's pathetic.

 

[jimmydean]

It's fvcking hilarious anyone could equate a pre-term president to an 8 year fvck up.


Actually it's not that funny on second thought. It's pathetic.

Dude, Obama uses a Zune! When we was campaigning, he led me the think he was cool. If I knew he was a Zune user, I would have voted differently.

 

[Toshi]

Dude, Obama uses a Zune! When we was campaigning, he led me the think he was cool. If I knew he was a Zune user, I would have voted differently.

the zune myth was repudiated by the campaign. he uses an iPod -- everyone can relax now.

 

[$tinkle]

Que?

Canada has about 179 billion barrels of crude in proven reserves. That's a whole lot of crude. Saudi Arabia has 267 billion barrels of reserves. The difference is the oil sands are incredibly expensive to extract oil from. We have the second largest reserves on earth, ahead of Iran, Iraq, Kuwait and the UAE.

The Us has 21 billion barrels.

Edit: Wikipedia says canada has 179 billion total, 481 in the oil sands alone out West.

consider this a final notice

 

[jimmydean]

the zune myth was repudiated by the campaign. he uses an iPod -- everyone can relax now.

Obama was ZuneBoated? BASTARDS!

 

[rockwool]

Que?

Canada has about 179 billion barrels of crude in proven reserves. That's a whole lot of crude. Saudi Arabia has 267 billion barrels of reserves. The difference is the oil sands are incredibly expensive to extract oil from. We have the second largest reserves on earth, ahead of Iran, Iraq, Kuwait and the UAE.

The Us has 21 billion barrels.

Edit: Wikipedia says canada has 179 billion total, 481 in the oil sands alone out West.

What are you equiping your armed forces with to deter all those evil polarbears and seals from invading you, trawlers and harpoons?

 

[dan-o]

What are you equiping your armed forces with to deter all those evil polarbears and seals from invading you, trawlers and harpoons?

As usual they're relying on the US for protection.
Operation Climate Change is a go!

 

[syadasti]

What are you equiping your armed forces with to deter all those evil polarbears and seals from invading you, trawlers and harpoons?

Canada is making evil hybrids now:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly–polar_bear_hybrid

 

[3D.]

Realizing that our prez-elect was a pathological liar and a horribly poor choice for the future stability of the U.S. was not hard to do. Like I’ve said from day one, “pay close attention to who his advisors are, and the truth will surface”.

Letting the television media decide who is a worthy vote (and who isn’t) is what the American people have done once more, and proudly at that.

Sitting around and waiting a year to see if your candidate is a liar (or not) is an exercise in very poor political strategy and stupidity. Anyone with good sense and some political intuition can easily see that he is a sham.

If anyone thinks his policies are all ready starting to smell, wait until he starts up programs like Rahmbo’s mandatory civilian servant agenda for 18-25 year olds as well as igniting a “new” war on terror with 100,000 new troops in Afghanistan. Yep, good times are on the way for sure.

I’ve gained much satisfaction in voting for Nader, even if some monkeys would like to stab him with a fork. :biggrin:

 

[Defenestrated]

Realizing that our prez-elect was a pathological liar and a horribly poor choice for the future stability of the U.S. was not hard to do. Like I’ve said from day one, “pay close attention to who his advisors are, and the truth will surface”.

Letting the television media decide who is a worthy vote (and who isn’t) is what the American people have done once more, and proudly at that.

Sitting around and waiting a year to see if your candidate is a liar (or not) is an exercise in very poor political strategy and stupidity. Anyone with good sense and some political intuition can easily see that he is a sham.

If anyone thinks his policies are all ready starting to smell, wait until he starts up programs like Rahmbo’s mandatory civilian servant agenda for 18-25 year olds as well as igniting a “new” war on terror with 100,000 new troops in Afghanistan. Yep, good times are on the way for sure.

I’ve gained much satisfaction in voting for Nader, even if some monkeys would like to stab him with a fork. :biggrin:

I didn't know you were a socialist too.

 

[rockwool]

As usual they're relying on the US for protection.
Operation Climate Change is a go!

Ohh, Canada is by any means no small spender on their military budget, the're one of the top spending countries. GNP wise they're pretty normal, it's just that it looks ridculously small in comparisson to that of the US's.

Canada is making evil hybrids now:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly–polar_bear_hybrid

I wonder, was it love at first sight, or did the the white one get snobby over the colour of his race?

 

[ohio]

Realizing that our prez-elect was a pathological liar and a horribly poor choice for the future stability of the U.S. was not hard to do. Like I’ve said from day one, “pay close attention to who his advisors are, and the truth will surface”.

Please offer examples of these pathological lies.

What effect do you think his advisors will have on his eventual policies?

Since you've established your position on day one (whenever that day was), do you think it is possible that you're looking for self-affirming evidence? We're not even asking for a year of his presidency... you haven't given him a DAY, before making up your mind that, surprise, you were right all along.

Brilliant. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Samirol]

Why hasn't Obama ended the war in Iraq yet? What a lying chump

 

[$tinkle]

he's fixin' to start tea-totalling in ouagadougou

 

[rockwool]

Please offer examples of these pathological lies.

What effect do you think his advisors will have on his eventual policies?

Since you've established your position on day one (whenever that day was), do you think it is possible that you're looking for self-affirming evidence? We're not even asking for a year of his presidency... you haven't given him a DAY, before making up your mind that, surprise, you were right all along.

Brilliant. Thanks for the laugh.

This is a question that solely has to do with the human psychology. We can only calculate a situation from the data that we've had put in to us, what ever the source for those figures may be; massmedia, advisors, books etc.

What hasn't come to our knowledge we have little chanse of guessing, even if we question that info we've attained for not being everything there is to be. Since he will have soo many things that he's going to need deeper information on, there's no chanse he will be able to obtain that all on this own. So most his destitions are going to be made on informaiton presented to him by the Romans.

he's fixin' to start tea-totalling in ouagadougou

I dunno, but might not Cairo be seen as to anti Israeli considering all the wars they have started? Now, I've read that Obama is very pro sionist and I also know that Egypt has for many years now been the US's second largest recipient of military aid in the world, but still, is there a possibility that this might be perceived in this way?

 

[Samirol]

I dunno, but might not Cairo be seen as to anti Israeli considering all the wars they have started? Now, I've read that Obama is very pro sionist and I also know that Egypt has for many years now been the US's second largest recipient of military aid in the world, but still, is there a possibility that this might be perceived in this way?

I guess it kind of depends on the definition of anti-Israel, Egypt isn't planning to attack Israel any time soon, but with the whole Gaza strip situation, it isn't exactly friendly.

 

[3D.]

Please offer examples of these pathological lies.

-Lying about bringing fresh ideas to Washington and then hiring a bunch of NAFTA supporting has beens from the Clinton administration like Eric Holder and Rahm Emanuel.

-Telling his supporters that we need to stop the excess greed on wall street (himself being a product of) and start helping main street. He then votes with out hesitation for the 700bil waste of money and still claims to be worried about the little people. First public talk with Bush and bailing out U.S. vampire auto companies took the spot light. Laugh! A reformer on wall street, more like a liar on main street.

-Coming into mainstream media and originally claiming to be grass roots with a somewhat anti-war theme (mid 2007) while promising an immediate withdraw from Iraq and then, magically, in front of all his supporters (many of which were anti-war) started to introduce the idea of revitalizing the boogey man hunt for Bin Laden in the caves of Afgahnastan with a modern military expanded by 100,000 troops and now no Iraqi withdraw... and everyone bought it. Then, furthering his trail of crap, went on to tell his stadium full of listeners that “the real global nuclear threat is Russia” which is a giant leap when it comes to conviction. Claiming to be anti-war was a lie.

-Battling and opposing just about everything Hillary Clinton stood for in the race, and then hiring her for a high ranking position in his cabinet, even with her and Bubba’s direct ties to the NAFTA infliction. Claiming to be against her type of mentality while opposing corporate greed and outsourcing was not wishful thinking, it was a lie.



Here’s some more popular lies:

-An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

-Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

-My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

-I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

-My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

-My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

-I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

-A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

-I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

-I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

-I don't Have Lobbyists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

-Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn't Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quarter of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.

-Treehouse Is A Small Company - LIAR, the CEO of Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of Wal-Mart, according to public records.

-University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair - LIAR, your wife's pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!

-I Barely Know Rezko - Only 5 Billed Hours - LIAR, you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had them take off $300K before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko's wife buys the lot beside it that you can't afford, saving you $625,000.

-My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly - LIAR, you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko (first $66K, then when caught lying $86K, then when caught lying again $150K and now caught lying YET AGAIN OBAMA, it's $250k) their money when publicly called on their involvement in your campaigns.

-I Disagree With My Church All The Time - LIAR, You donated in 2006 alone, $22,500 to the church that you so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK

-I have the best plan to cure the Mortgage Crisis - LIAR. [03/30/2008] You and your campaign buddy Penny SubPrime Bank Collapse Prizker have had your little fingers full of subprime cash - Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans: Obama received $266,907 from Lehman, $5395 from GMAC, $150,850 from Credit Suisse First Boston, $11,250 from Countrywide, $9052 from Washington Mutual, $161,850 from Citigroup, $4600 from CBASS, $170,050 from Morgan Stanley, $1150 from Centex, and last but certainly NOT LEAST - Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs.

What effect do you think his advisors will have on his eventual policies?

Supporting of NAFTA agreements and a possible large conflict with Russia (Brzezinski agenda), as well as very little movement in the renewable energy department to name a few.

Since you've established your position on day one (whenever that day was), do you think it is possible that you're looking for self-affirming evidence? We're not even asking for a year of his presidency... you haven't given him a DAY, before making up your mind that, surprise, you were right all along.

I here what you're saying...
I'm really not seeking any self-verification in what I’m seeing. I’ve never felt any doubt in my position that would need to be reassured. Maybe I should give him more time to prove that he isn’t simply just another corporate product, but it seems like we don’t have that kind of time anymore.

Day One (kinda):
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2827682&postcount=25

Brilliant. Thanks for the laugh.

You're welcome:biggrin:

 

[Samirol]

copy pasting fw:fw:fw:fw: chainmails doesn't make you seem like a reasonable person

 

[3D.]

copy pasting fw:fw:fw:fw: chainmails doesn't make you seem like a reasonable person

I gave you a few in my own words and quoted several from an article, where was the chain mail part you’re talking about.

If you take even some of his contradictions seriously, and compile it with some of his earlier desires dating back before he was popular (more than a year), some of which was discussed in that older Opie thread, it’s not hard to see that much of what his campaign was built on was contrary to earlier agendas.

Blindly following our prez elect and a bunch of sketchy has beens into grey areas with out questioning their extremely poor decisions, would make you seem like a bad judge of reason.

 

[kidwoo]

Dude



You read EBONY?

 

[rockwool]

Dude



You read EBONY?

Bwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahhahahahahahahha.

 

[3D.]

Dude



You read EBONY?

Yeah, you know me… I can’t get enough of it. It’s a great magazine…

Mock it, but it will not make it truth.

 

[rockwool]

Robert Gates on Obama's fundamental rights.

http://www.hri.org/news/greek/eraen/last/last.html

[03] Gates Warns US Adversaries

US Defence Secretary Robert Gates warned on Saturday that US adversaries would be "sorely mistaken" to test Barack Obama in the Gulf and called for regional pressure to change Iran's behaviour. Gates stressed that the USA would not give up on their role in the Middle East and the Gulf under the Obama administration, resting everyone assured that a change in administration would not alter the US fundamental rights, especially in the Middle East, argued he during a regional security summit held in Bahrain. Gates then paid a surprise visit to the US military base in Balad, north of Baghdad. Several foreign policy analysts have claimed that the US adversaries will try to stir up a crisis in the first months of Obama's term.

"Anyone who thought that the upcoming months might present opportunities to 'test' the new administration would be sorely mistaken," he said at an international security conference.

"The president-elect and his team, myself included, will be ready to defend the interests of the United States, and our friends and allies, the moment he takes office on January 20," he said.

A former CIA head, Gates underlined that security in the Gulf had always been a key priority, and assuring the US allies that the Obama administration would not derail from this stance.

Shifting his attention to Iran, the US Defence Secretary underscored that the USA were after a change of behaviour, rather than a change of regime.

"The president-elect Obama is under no illusions about Iran's behaviour and what Iran has been doing in the region and is doing in terms of its own weapons programmes," he said.

News item: 16672

The UN just added a 31st fundamental right; The right of the US to **** other countries over as it pleases them.

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

 

[3D.]

By the way kw, how could you of all people I know, one of the upmost in none-hype proliferation, end up giving a silver tongue sweet talker like him your vote?

I'm still trying to figure it out.

 

[3D.]

Robert Gates on Obama's fundamental rights.

http://www.hri.org/news/greek/eraen/last/last.html



The UN just added a 31st fundamental right; The right of the US to **** other countries over as it pleases them.

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

I love this one

Article 9.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

this one

Article 10.

Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

and this one

Article 11.

(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.

(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

 

[kidwoo]

By the way kw, how could you of all people I know, one of the upmost in none-hype proliferation, end up giving a silver tongue sweet talker like him your vote?

I'm still trying to figure it out.

Either that or ANOTHER daddy's boy, regan leg humping conservative pandering, racist dipshlt who chooses a hillbilly with a 5 word vocabulary for a running mate.

Those were the choices.

Deny it, but it won't make it untrue.

 

[3D.]

Either that or ANOTHER daddy's boy, regan leg humping conservative pandering, racist dipshlt who chooses a hillbilly with a 5 word vocabulary for a running mate.

Those were the choices.

Deny it, but it won't make it untrue.

You could've just voted for McCain, would've probably been similar policies and the Afghan bound troops could've just stayed in Iraq.

 

[kidwoo]

You could've just voted for McCain, would've probably been similar policies and the Afghan bound troops could've just stayed in Iraq.

That fvcker's health care plan was WORSE than what I've got going on now.

Come on man seriously. You may not love the guy who won you really need to recognize what the alternative looked like it was going to be.

And as it stands right now, the guy in office you want to trash for policies isn't actually in office implementing policies yet.

When you going to start riding bikes again? I've got a frame for you.