[rockwool]

That fvcker's health care plan was WORSE than what I've got going on now.

Come on man seriously. You may not love the guy who won you really need to recognize what the alternative looked like it was going to be.

And as it stands right now, the guy in office you want to trash for policies isn't actually in office implementing policies yet.

When you going to start riding bikes again? I've got a frame for you.

Hey, take that isht to a bicycle forum.

So what you're saying is that you chose a pile of crap instead of a catastrophy?

 

[kidwoo]

So what you're saying is that you chose a pile of crap instead of a catastrophy?

No that's the lullaby YOU sing to yourself to feel superior about the fact that you didn't really participate in any meaningful manner relevant to this election.

It must be nice to live in unicorn land where your ideal candidate who shoots flowers out of his ass actually exists AND becomes a viable choice. Say hi to the bunnies for me. Nader too while you're at it.

 

[rockwool]

No that's the lullaby YOU sing to yourself to feel superior about the fact that you didn't really participate in any meaningful manner relevant to this election.

It must be nice to live in unicorn land where your ideal candidate who shoots flowers out of his ass actually exists AND becomes a viable choice. Say hi to the bunnies for me. Nader too while you're at it.

Not at all, our internal problems are huge too, but relatively to yours they are lesser (in some cases at least). Sweden not being todays equal of the Roman Empire also helps, but as my government has supported Rome for many years now we are all but innocent of to the reason that the world is foked.

I, as a citizen of a priviliged nation expoiting poorer nations, am fully critical of my government for its evil doings. I critisize all bad things, and the mass I pound them with is in relation to how bad they are.

So because that I find all our 7 parties in the parliament to be ****e, I have for the past 3 elections voted for non-parliamentary parties. Those parties are really marginalized too, just like the Green Party is. But as I crave a massive change to my system, I take apropriate action for that to happen.

That's the only way massive change is going to happen.

I hope with this to have made you see that I wasn't being superior or feeling damagehappy about the differances in our situations.

The bad side of being the center of the world, generally in culture, politically, militarily, and last but not least, media wise, has the backside of that everybody sees your actions. Pressure being public all the time must be huge when making misstakes. Must be lovely when the sun shines though.

I'm just trying to shed some light in your cave. Follow the draft.

 

[ohio]

Because I care...

-Lying about bringing fresh ideas to Washington and then hiring a bunch of NAFTA supporting has beens from the Clinton administration like Eric Holder and Rahm Emanuel.

Again, seeing as he IS NOT PRESIDENT YET, it's pretty impossible to assume you know what ideas he will bring, let alone policies he will enact. It is almost a certainty that his style of administration will be completely different than Bushes based on the way he conducted his campaign. There simply is no lie. He has been honest "from day one" that he likes disagreement and argument, so there is no reason to believe that he will blindly do what these advisors tell him. There are also other advisors that are quote the opposite of Emmanuel. You may have noticed if you weren't looking for self-affirmation.

-Telling his supporters that we need to stop the excess greed on wall street (himself being a product of) and start helping main street. He then votes with out hesitation for the 700bil waste of money and still claims to be worried about the little people. First public talk with Bush and bailing out U.S. vampire auto companies took the spot light. Laugh! A reformer on wall street, more like a liar on main street.

Without the 700B we would be back to banging 2 rocks together and killing each other for food. I don't like the bailout any better than you do, and I certainly don't like the final form it took, but it was absolutely without question necessary. Reality is sometimes ugly, get used to it.

The auto bailout I disagree with more, but don't see the connection to Obama. You're equating Obama with the Dems. He is currently neither a senator nor president, so literally HAS NO POWER IN THIS SITUATION, only influence. No one knows what he'll do when president, which is why the auto companies will only get a bridge to January if anything.

-Coming into mainstream media and originally claiming to be grass roots with a somewhat anti-war theme (mid 2007) while promising an immediate withdraw from Iraq and then, magically, in front of all his supporters (many of which were anti-war) started to introduce the idea of revitalizing the boogey man hunt for Bin Laden in the caves of Afgahnastan with a modern military expanded by 100,000 troops and now no Iraqi withdraw... and everyone bought it. Then, furthering his trail of crap, went on to tell his stadium full of listeners that “the real global nuclear threat is Russia” which is a giant leap when it comes to conviction. Claiming to be anti-war was a lie.

He was talking about Afghanistan looong before election day, so I'm not sure how this is a surprise, let alone a lie. He claimed to be anti IRAQ war. He claimed to believe in the power of diplomacy and international pressure. However, he also said that there are cases when use of force is the only option. He didn't claim to be Jane Fonda. Again, maybe some wishful thinking on your part?

-Battling and opposing just about everything Hillary Clinton stood for in the race, and then hiring her for a high ranking position in his cabinet, even with her and Bubba’s direct ties to the NAFTA infliction. Claiming to be against her type of mentality while opposing corporate greed and outsourcing was not wishful thinking, it was a lie.

If you paid any attention to the primaries there was little to no policy difference between the two of them. Seriously. How did you miss that? However, I will agree with you somewhat that the differences that did exist were over the Iraq war, i.e. foreign policy so I did balk at Clinton's selection. Hardly a lie though. Show me where he said he had anything but respect for Clinton, let alone "would never have her as part of his administration." That would be a lie.

-An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

Never heard of this. Doesn't seem particularly important or relevant. Maybe he just felt like Ebony as a whole was one of the influencers in his decision. Show us the quote from the book (which book?).

-Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

The above is not mutually exclusive. Also, I've never heard him state his father was a goat herder. Are you sure he said that?

-My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

Oh please, are you seriously one of those racist, xenophobic ****s that buys any of the bull**** about Obama's time in Indonesia? First of all, he never said the school was Christian. He has said HE was Christian and the school was secular. The school WAS secular. Everyone with any credibility at all has shown that. Is it even relevant? Is "Koranic studies" somehow confirmation that it's a religious school? Maybe you haven't noticed that we teach religion here in the US and it tends to focus on Christianity?

-I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

Really, for it's own pandering? I don't know whether you're referring to a nuclear power bill or nuclear proliferation bill because this is so ****ing vague, but I'm going to assume nuclear power since you mention a lobby. Surprise, the Dems as a party are opposed to nuclear power. If course they would shoot it down. It has nothing to do with pandering. Christ.

-My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

Wrong grandmother, you jackass.

-My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

I've never heard him claim otherwise. Citation please?

-I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

Do you seriously believe this ****? Seriously? No ****? Going to a secular Madrassa is not the same as practicing Islam. I went to school in England where we started each day with the Lord's prayer. It was a secular, public school. I'm Jewish culturally and an Athiest in practice. Am I suddenly a pathological liar if I say I've never practiced Christianity? I guess so, because that's exactly what I would say.

-A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

You've got to be ****ing kidding me. Has anyone really tried to figure out what article he meant? Why would he even lie about this? What purpose does it serve? There are few well-written articles I ever read that DON'T change my outlook on life. That's the definition of a good article. If I can't remember, exactly which Economist article it was that changed my POV on some details of fighting poverty does that make me a pathological liar? Please, think through this stuff before you cut and paste.

-I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

How many did he vote on? How many did he sponsor? Is it possible this was a twist of his words or a willful misunderstanding?

-I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

Obama ran the cleanest most ethical presidential campaign I have witnessed in American politics. Try to find another. I'm not trying to blow smoke up his ass, but it was truly impressive and inspirational, potentially signalling a tidal shift in American politics. Again, maybe you missed that.

 

[ohio]

-I don't Have Lobbyists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

Who are "his" lobbyists? Do you even know what that means?

-Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn't Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quarter of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.

Oh my god, "connected to walmart?" Connected to the largest retailer in the world, that donates money to literally 10 of thousands of organizations and causes. That's a crazy coincidence!

-Treehouse Is A Small Company - LIAR, the CEO of Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of Wal-Mart, according to public records.

Please check out the compensation structure at WalMart. Also, why shouldn't the head of a small company do well? Should only large companies be allowed to make money? Why do you even care about Treehouse?

-University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair - LIAR, your wife's pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!

Make up your mind. Are they not for profit or are they ripping people off? Maybe you don't get what not-for-profit means. Look in to 501c or 503c. Not-for-profits pay their people too. Some people, surprisingly are worth a lot to their organizations and get paid well for it. Was her pay out of line with what other people in the same role were making?

I'd like to see you prove the overcharging claim. If you understand anything about the way providers battle insurers, you would understand that it's this weird game of overcharging back and forth, that looks ridiculous and is part of the reason our healthcare system sucks. But I'm sure it's Michelle's fault. You may have noticed that Obama wants to reform healthcare. That'll really **** up the ponzi scheme Michelle is apparently running.

-I Barely Know Rezko - Only 5 Billed Hours - LIAR, you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had them take off $300K before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko's wife buys the lot beside it that you can't afford, saving you $625,000.

I never heard him say he barely knew Rezko. I suspect this one is pretty embarassing for Obama. But lots of folks get taken in by deals too good to be true. Unless you can show some tit for tat, it doesn't really tell us much except that Obama may have been a bit naive early on.

-My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly - LIAR, you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko (first $66K, then when caught lying $86K, then when caught lying again $150K and now caught lying YET AGAIN OBAMA, it's $250k) their money when publicly called on their involvement in your campaigns.

The givebacks are proof that his donations ARE checked thoroughly. You're arguing against yourself again.

-I Disagree With My Church All The Time - LIAR, You donated in 2006 alone, $22,500 to the church that you so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK

Explain to me why donation is mutually exclusive with disagreement. It's actually quite in character with his style as seen thus far. I argue with my Dad all the time, but still love him. I disagree with many decisions my alma mater makes, but I still donate. Maybe you think to disagree is the same as to hate or despise. I can't help you with that.

-I have the best plan to cure the Mortgage Crisis - LIAR. [03/30/2008] You and your campaign buddy Penny SubPrime Bank Collapse Prizker have had your little fingers full of subprime cash - Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans: Obama received $266,907 from Lehman, $5395 from GMAC, $150,850 from Credit Suisse First Boston, $11,250 from Countrywide, $9052 from Washington Mutual, $161,850 from Citigroup, $4600 from CBASS, $170,050 from Morgan Stanley, $1150 from Centex, and last but certainly NOT LEAST - Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs.

Those banks donated to everyone, especially anyone that had potential to become president. Until you can prove that it somehow influenced his decisions or even access, you're pissing up a rope. I would gladly toake a donation from any of them as well. Doesn't mean I'm going to suddenly throw up my legs for some financial DP and ATM (snark).

Supporting of NAFTA agreements and a possible large conflict with Russia (Brzezinski agenda), as well as very little movement in the renewable energy department to name a few.

I'm sorry we were talking about lies. Are you trying to tell me that you disgreeing with his policies is the same as his lying? That would explain your post A LOT.

 

[kidwoo]

Bad weather in the city today too eh?

 

[ohio]

40s and raining. No moto, no bike-o, no ski-o. Sitting and waiting for some lady to come by our old bed off craigslist and don't want to surf porn in case she shows up.

 

[rockwool]

40s and raining. No moto, no bike-o, no ski-o. Sitting and waiting for some lady to come by our old bed off craigslist and don't want to surf porn in case she shows up.

Good post.

 

[kidwoo]

40s and raining. No moto, no bike-o, no ski-o. Sitting and waiting for some lady to come by our old bed off craigslist and don't want to surf porn in case she shows up.

You should actually BE surfing porn IN the bed when she shows up.


Shirtless at the minimum and a dry martini very close by.

 

[chicodude]

Lots stuff that embarrasses teh other guy .

 

[3D.]

Holy sh!t you must be bored.

I’m wondering how I can reply to the mess you have made of those quotes… let’s see here…

I’ll try and make my point better, because you’ve missed it.

Oh my god, "connected to walmart?" Connected to the largest retailer in the world, that donates money to literally 10 of thousands of organizations and causes. That's a crazy coincidence!

It’s not that it’s a surprise to be connected to walmart, it’s just don’t lie about it.

Please check out the compensation structure at WalMart. Also, why shouldn't the head of a small company do well? Should only large companies be allowed to make money? Why do you even care about Treehouse?

Yes, a company can be as large as it wants to be, but don’t lie and say it isn’t just to dumb it down.

Make up your mind. Are they not for profit or are they ripping people off? Maybe you don't get what not-for-profit means. Look in to 501c or 503c. Not-for-profits pay their people too. Some people, surprisingly are worth a lot to their organizations and get paid well for it. Was her pay out of line with what other people in the same role were making?

The university claims to be non-profit but has apparently shown revenues to suggest otherwise… this one I don‘t have much info on, but I will say this, if you truly feel the medical industry needs to be defended for it’s “fair revenues”, and to let our first lady suggest this, than there would be no amount of evidence that would make you think differently anyway.

I never heard him say he barely knew Rezko. I suspect this one is pretty embarassing for Obama. But lots of folks get taken in by deals too good to be true. Unless you can show some tit for tat, it doesn't really tell us much except that Obama may have been a bit naive early on.

Right, Obama was completely innocent when he dealt with Rezko and had no idea about the type of business man he was. If that’s true, he’s entirely to stupid to be any countries president. Naïve? you would really hope not.
He most certainly did try to say that his relationship was next to non-existent.

NBC News and news services
updated 6:41 a.m. PT, Fri., Jan. 25, 2008

Clinton made a point of raising Obama's connection to Rezko during Monday's Democratic debate. In a heated exchange over who did or did not support Republican policies, Clinton said she had been challenging Republican ideas "when you (Obama) were practicing law and representing your contributor, Rezko, in his slum landlord business in inner-city Chicago."

Obama denied Clinton's accusation, saying that he was an associate at a law firm that represented a church group that had partnered with Rezko on a project. "I did about five hours worth of work on this joint project," he said.

His campaign has said it is giving to charities more than $40,000 from donors linked to Rezko. In 2006, when charges against Rezko were made public, Obama gave $11,500 in Rezko contributions to charities.

A Chicago real estate developer and fast-food magnate, Antoin "Tony" Rezko was a longtime fundraiser for Obama. Prosecutors have charged him with fraud, attempted extortion and money laundering in what they allege was a scheme to get campaign money and payoffs from firms seeking to do business before two state boards.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22839654/

The givebacks are proof that his donations ARE checked thoroughly. You're arguing against yourself again.

Yes, his donations were ultimately checked, but he lied about them so people like you would think he was just swell. I’m arguing against myself???

Explain to me why donation is mutually exclusive with disagreement. It's actually quite in character with his style as seen thus far. I argue with my Dad all the time, but still love him. I disagree with many decisions my alma mater makes, but I still donate. Maybe you think to disagree is the same as to hate or despise. I can't help you with that.

I’m sorry but one who disagrees with their church most of the time does not donate money, they simply just don’t go. Or, maybe in the opposite world that guys like Obama and Bush live in, this contradiction makes sense.

Those banks donated to everyone, especially anyone that had potential to become president. Until you can prove that it somehow influenced his decisions or even access, you're pissing up a rope. I would gladly toake a donation from any of them as well. Doesn't mean I'm going to suddenly throw up my legs for some financial DP and ATM (snark).

The wall street relationship is what it is, you can make it seem like it’s no big deal, I’m not going to try and make you realize that Obama was cultured by some of the crooks that our currently suffocating the U.S. with bail-out debts. Take some time and do the homework yourself, you’ll find that his relationships with guys like Hank go back a lot further than you think. Yes, his hands do get tied up when those types of donations come in… why do you think he is so quick with his yes votes on helping these companies rob us.

I'm sorry we were talking about lies. Are you trying to tell me that you disgreeing with his policies is the same as his lying? That would explain your post A LOT.

As for his policies and lies… His real policies are what you and I would probably both disagree with, his lies are what you and millions of other have voted for and they will speak for themselves.