Anybody have any luck with this Titanium Spring manufacturer?
http://www.obtainiumperformanceproducts.com/index.htm
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As long as the spring length (6in) is the same as the spring length on your shock, it believe it should be fine. I have a 2.75in (8.75 I-I) shock and it uses a 6in spring as well, so the 3in stroke is more than enough. Doesn't mean I cant use it though.will you also manufacture springs for 215mm (2,5" stroke) shocks?
What is the shock that you are having trouble with the reservoir rubbing the spring? is it the Fox DHX5.0? if so you can tell customers that they got to remove the volume adjuster of the reservoir, and maybe that way you will have some extra clearance for high rate springs. I think that somebody looking for Ti springs is a minimalist of weight and won't matter doing that to fit a spring.Our web site just went live and we're trying to work out the bugs. We are open for any suggestions. You all are our customers and will listen to everyone. We have talked about the small diameter shocks in reference to the "rubbing" issues and will design springs just for that specific shock. We have designed our springs to adapt to most of the top shock manufactures. If you have a shock and our Titanium spring won't fit please let us know and we will work with you to fix this problem. Please visit our website and contact us with any of your concerns.
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Just want to say ti-bender - a big thumbs up for making 200lb and 250lb x 3.0 springs, today's low leverage ratio bikes really need these springs (especially given the number of scrawny racers out there).
My only suggestion is that at this end of the scale, intermediate rates are hugely beneficial and no one makes them anymore (progressive used to, but they're gone).
You'd probably help a lot of people and make some extra sales if you offered say 225lb, 275lb, and 325lb springs. I know at least the 275/325 are needed commonly on bikes like sunday's but aren't purchased thanks to them not existing.
The other thing is - given the price and whole point of purchasing Ti springs, I reckon it's great to see actual weights on each spring if you have a digital scale handy. See what Mojo have done for an example.
How Can a raising rate frame be the best beat for linkage design? wouldn't a falling rate help combat pedal induced bob and would feel plusher towards the end of the stroke and make the bike handle better???Also, most bike mfg have finally figured out that a rising rate (at least a little bit) design is the best way to make frames for the shocks and springs available.
Seems like moto went thorugh this round and round a handful of years ago. They finally decided (except KTM I think) to all just build rising rate links and build around fairly linear shocks and springs to limit the possible parameters and be able to fine tune ride characteristics with less effort.
How Can a raising rate frame be the best beat for linkage design? wouldn't a falling rate help combat pedal induced bob and would feel plusher towards the end of the stroke and make the bike handle better???
plz explain
Certainly possible to make progressive springs (obviously) but that brings with it a bunch of other parameters to deal with. For example if you normally ride a 400# spring, what would you do for a progressive? Start at 400 and go up? start at 350 and go up? How far would you go, how progressive? 400 -> 450? 350 -> 500? it becomes endless.
Also, most bike mfg have finally figured out that a rising rate (at least a little bit) design is the best way to make frames for the shocks and springs available. Add (or make the norm) progressive springs, then you open the door for falling rate frame designs, designed to be combined with (what they may feel) are overly progressive springs.
Seems like moto went thorugh this round and round a handful of years ago. They finally decided (except KTM I think) to all just build rising rate links and build around fairly linear shocks and springs to limit the possible parameters and be able to fine tune ride characteristics with less effort.
How goes your falling rate bike. Did the new shock and Spring help?Yeah, I can see how it would open up a huge can of worms with progressive spring rates.
One thing I have found with rising rate frame designs is they seem to feel like they are hanging up through the rough stuff...Unless they have a rearward wheelpath. (Which most don't) Overall, I agree. Slightly progressive linkage designs offer the best performance for todays shocks.
VM...How goes your falling rate bike. Did the new shock and Spring help?
VM
Yeah I'd be keen to see the springs tolerance. Or if they'll be measured and branded accordingly. It's a bit weak how you can pay so much for some other brands springs and have them so far off the mark.ti-bender:
what kind of tolerances are going to be held on the spring rate? +/- 5 in-lbs?
i've tested a few springs that fox used as well as some that manitou used and they were more like +/- 35 in-lbs. as i'm sure you know, it makes it hard to get the right spring rate figured out when the printed spring rate isn't even close to it's actual spring rate.
Did you need to order the extra spacers to fit the Vivid that Obtainium attaches to the order when you try to checkout?Based on my conversations with Ti-Bender, he takes painstaking steps to verify his springs are very close to the specified rate... So far, I'm very happy with my Obtainium spring.
still havent rly answered my question....Small bump sensitivity and plushness in the beginning of the travel, ramping up in order to take big hits and not bottom out in the end of the travel.
Falling rate bikes are harsh in the early stroke (where you really need sensitivity) and bottom out easily if you don't overspring them so they've got too little sag. Bikes should be designed to pedal well geometrically, not by relying on overspringing early in the stroke.still havent rly answered my question....
My shock is a 8.5 x 2.5 and it did not require extra spacers. I would contact Obtainium and ask about fit if your Vivid is a different i2i/stroke.Did you need to order the extra spacers to fit the Vivid that Obtainium attaches to the order when you try to checkout?
No spacers needed for the vivid. The spacers are to fit the 1.5" ID spings to a ahock that takes a smaller spring ID like the fox (1.37") etc.Did you need to order the extra spacers to fit the Vivid that Obtainium attaches to the order when you try to checkout?
Just want to say ti-bender - a big thumbs up for making 200lb and 250lb x 3.0 springs, today's low leverage ratio bikes really need these springs (especially given the number of scrawny racers out there).
My only suggestion is that at this end of the scale, intermediate rates are hugely beneficial and no one makes them anymore (progressive used to, but they're gone).
You'd probably help a lot of people and make some extra sales if you offered say 225lb, 275lb, and 325lb springs. I know at least the 275/325 are needed commonly on bikes like sunday's but aren't purchased thanks to them not existing.
The other thing is - given the price and whole point of purchasing Ti springs, I reckon it's great to see actual weights on each spring if you have a digital scale handy. See what Mojo have done for an example.
okkk have any examples of bikes...either falling or rising?Falling rate bikes are harsh in the early stroke (where you really need sensitivity) and bottom out easily if you don't overspring them so they've got too little sag. Bikes should be designed to pedal well geometrically, not by relying on overspringing early in the stroke.
As davep said, not many people use falling-rate bikes anymore. There are a few around in the shorter-travel domains like the Cannondale Prophet, the SC Heckler etc, but realistically anyone still making falling-rate DH bikes is a fair way behind the times. Rising rates are all over the place, Turner DHR, most FSR bikes, etc etc and there are plenty of fairly linear bikes around too.okkk have any examples of bikes...either falling or rising?
would you say a rising rate is more efficient and better for dh than a linear?As davep said, not many people use falling-rate bikes anymore. There are a few around in the shorter-travel domains like the Cannondale Prophet, the SC Heckler etc, but realistically anyone still making falling-rate DH bikes is a fair way behind the times. Rising rates are all over the place, Turner DHR, most FSR bikes, etc etc and there are plenty of fairly linear bikes around too.
the name is genius for sureThree pages deep and no one has commented on just how sweet the name of this new enterprise happens to be.
Kudos my man.
Very slightly, but Orange's suspension is as primitive as it gets, and proof that good geometry is far more important than whether your suspension works.isn't the orange 224 still a falling rate?
Too many generalisations there man, I'm not even going to begin to address that stuff.would you say a rising rate is more efficient and better for dh than a linear?
what about the shock? all coil shocks are linear no?
but air shocks would be progressive?
how would this handle on either or systems....what if they were inversed