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Your a day late and a dollar short. Where have you been, and don't tell me you've been busy with work.
Your a day late and a dollar short. Where have you been, and don't tell me you've been busy with work.
Occupy Wall Street?
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I finally understand why, you're lazy as fawk, and selfish too boot. You have the time to sit on here all day during the week and troll. Every time I take a break from my math homework I seem to see more retardation from you.
Get on it old man, I work 35 hours a week so I can pay for my full time class load (not a single dollar from another person or gov agency either, ALL my money, handouts come when I transfer) I had my first day off in 3 weeks, and some how through the 4 hours a night of sleep found time to clean my room, overhaul 2 bikes, install a stereo and a new turbo in my truck (sounds sick with the 5 feet of exhaust pipe BTW)
$tinkle, where ya been? Your buddy Kitty has been getting hammered trying to pick up your slack. Even Mooshoo has been having his way with him.
You can accuse me of a lot of things but being a sycophant is not one of them. I'm terrible at towing the party line. I like guns, support the death penalty and am quick to criticize the Dems. I'm glad to hear my RM credit rating matches my real life one. Personal responsibility is actually one of my values and not just a political talking point.
He maybe have been a volunteer but he was still fired from his official capacity on the campaign and he was a tea party supporter. HK point was wrong, the Tea Party and other right-wing nuts have done far worse.
Photo: Tim Profitt of Paris, Ky., is joined by other demonstrators as he attends a rally in support of Republican Rand Paul in Lexington, Ky., on March 2. Credit: Associated Press
But wait, there's more...
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act II
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/f67/finally-someone-said-241485/index2/#post3620714
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/f67/people-vs-goldman-sachs-242241/#post3634007
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/f67/finally-someone-said-241485/index2/#post3625277
dude held his own, i thought
and yours is funding it [not that i mind - pesqueeb you may stfu now]
joining the "bush's fault" drumming circle?
"Soon after I took office, I set a goal of having one million electric vehicles on our roads by 2015. We've created incentives for American companies to develop these vehicles, and for Americans who want them to buy them."--Barack Obama, March 30
"The German government wants to see one million electric cars on the nation's roads by 2020. Researchers have been assessing if that is at all possible and have found the best government policy may be to do nothing."--Deutsche Welle website, Oct. 20
file under: "All the Choices We've Made Have Been the Right Ones"
reminds me of this:
Here's a puzzle: Try to figure out what we're describing.
It costs a lot of money, so much that most people have to go into debt to buy it. It has considerable intrinsic value, but it is also understood to be an investment. And it is a status symbol--indeed, almost a necessary condition for achieving middle-class status.
Its acquisition by as wide a swath of the population is widely seen as a social good. Thus the government heavily subsidizes it through tax incentives and other means. That, however, creates an artificial demand that drives prices up and, in a vicious circle, spurs demands for more subsidies. Efforts to make it more easily acquired for minorities, who by objective standards tend to be less qualified, compound the problem.
In the current economy, it has turned out to be considerably less valuable than promised. As a result, many Americans are under water, with debts that they will not be able to pay off easily.
What is it? A house, but that's the obvious answer. We're thinking of a college education. The similarities between the housing bubble and the higher-ed bubble are remarkable, aren't they?
"The amount of student loans taken out last year crossed the $100 billion mark for the first time and total loans outstanding will exceed $1 trillion for the first time this year," USA Today reports. We'd seen that $1 trillion figure before--last Saturday, at New York's Zuccotti Park, where a 23-year-old Occupy Wall Street protester named Taylor was carrying a sign that read "Where's our bailout? $1 trillion in student loans outstanding."
You can see why young people like Taylor would feel aggrieved. Growing up, they were told they needed a college education as a ticket to a productive life. Now they find themselves deeply in debt, their employment prospects limited in the Obama economy. So they're lashing out at the banks that hold their debt and at the corporations that have made a college degree into a license to hunt for a job.
It costs a lot of money, so much that most people have to go into debt to buy it. It has considerable intrinsic value, but it is also understood to be an investment. And it is a status symbol--indeed, almost a necessary condition for achieving middle-class status.
Its acquisition by as wide a swath of the population is widely seen as a social good. Thus the government heavily subsidizes it through tax incentives and other means. That, however, creates an artificial demand that drives prices up and, in a vicious circle, spurs demands for more subsidies. Efforts to make it more easily acquired for minorities, who by objective standards tend to be less qualified, compound the problem.
In the current economy, it has turned out to be considerably less valuable than promised. As a result, many Americans are under water, with debts that they will not be able to pay off easily.
What is it? A house, but that's the obvious answer. We're thinking of a college education. The similarities between the housing bubble and the higher-ed bubble are remarkable, aren't they?
"The amount of student loans taken out last year crossed the $100 billion mark for the first time and total loans outstanding will exceed $1 trillion for the first time this year," USA Today reports. We'd seen that $1 trillion figure before--last Saturday, at New York's Zuccotti Park, where a 23-year-old Occupy Wall Street protester named Taylor was carrying a sign that read "Where's our bailout? $1 trillion in student loans outstanding."
You can see why young people like Taylor would feel aggrieved. Growing up, they were told they needed a college education as a ticket to a productive life. Now they find themselves deeply in debt, their employment prospects limited in the Obama economy. So they're lashing out at the banks that hold their debt and at the corporations that have made a college degree into a license to hunt for a job.
as is Adhan?
sure as **** ain't been riding
but yes, i've been laying sideways in the gubment trough, & tonight i'm hiding out the basement while the womenfolk prattle on about g-spots & other sundry mythical creatures
say what you want; he's got a sweet whip (props to kranked)
but his rep is in the crapper; you niggas ran at him haaaaaaard
w3rd.
These people are idiots, not for protesting, but for not leaving when they were directed to by police yesterday. They made their point, and could have moved elsewhere, but decided to escalate this into a situation where the police were forced to act. I would've hated to be a cop turning up to work in Melbourne yesterday.
I understand the sentiment of the protest, but Australia has a fairly good distribution of wealth compared to some country's, and a high standard of living. What were they hoping to achieve by disobeying the police?
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You know the sh*t is going down when even reporters for a Murdoch rag like the Hun get the vapours.
You can see why young people like Taylor would feel aggrieved. Growing up, they were told they needed a college education as a ticket to a productive life. Now they find themselves deeply in debt, their employment prospects limited in the Obama economy. So they're lashing out at the banks that hold their debt and at the corporations that have made a college degree into a license to hunt for a job.
People forget that when Obama came on the Bush administration had just about turned out the lights on the world economy. I have not agreed with everything Obama has done but don't blame him for the table the Bush administration set.
People forget that when Obama came on the Bush administration had just about turned out the lights on the world economy. I have not agreed with everything Obama has done but don't blame him for the table the Bush administration set.
I read the other day that all those cars are going to be built in Finland. Job creation? Maybe, American jobs, not so much. I'll see if I can find it,
Click the link...
Right in first paragraph. Missed it somehow.Better than bumping a 5-day old dedicated thread on the subject and making a new thread about it as if its news (Yue Yue).
Thats pretty much hitting the nail on the HEAD!!!
Some comments / insights. Galilee, where Jesus came from, was one of the poorest regions of Israel in the first century. They were also very serious about their adherence to the Torah, most Pharisees came from that region (I argue Jesus was from the Pharisee sect but thats another rabbit for another day). They were relentlessly taxed, which is why tax collectors were so hated, which is why the story of Jesus eating with someone so hated like Zacheues would have been shocking in that day.
Now when Caesar would come to a town he would throw bread to the crowd that would gather, a way to declare that Caesar is the one who feeds you and takes care of your needs. So when Jesus feeds the 5000 its a way of Jesus giving Caesar the finger if you will. Caesar doesnt take care of you God does. Regardless of if you believe the miracle or not, the message to those early followers of Jesus was the same.
Not only were the Romans oppressive but the Jews that were in bed with them just a corrupt. The Temple officials were the 1%. When a Jew in those days wanted to worship at the Temple, or wanted to repent (teshuvah) they had to perform a mikvah, a ritual immersion (what morphed into the Christian baptism). It cost money to use the Temple mikvah pools, so when John the Baptist is at the dirty nasty Jordan river declaring that you can repent right there, hes giving the whole Temple system the bird.
Jesus as one point refers to Herod as a fox, an insult in those days. The fox was considered a sneaky animal, lacking honor, compared to say a lion. When you read the Gospels in that light, its easy to understand why Jesus was arrested and killed, He spent a good amount of time trash talking the establishment.
This even extended back to the prophets in the Hebrew Scriptures, Isaiah 65:17 no longer will someone else live in your house and eat your crops (paraphrase).
If you ever get the chance, or are interested, read the book Jesus wants to save Christians by Rob Bell and Don Golden(?). They make LOTS of allusions to the fact that the US is the modern equivalent of the Roman empire
Sorry to ramble and for the Sunday School Lesson but yeah that was dead on!!!
The Tenth Commandment reads:
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. (Exodus 20:17)
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. (Exodus 20:17)
Yep, you're correct. Keep in mind that the 10 commandments are only 10 out of 613 laws that God gave the Jews. He also gave them rules to prevent the rich from taking advantage of the poor.
You just engaged the wrong person. Andy - Go to town.
How about we also apply that little verse you plucked to corporate and poltical greed as well........
Edit: the more I marinate on this the more that comes to mind. Keep in mind that this command was given to the Jews after they had been slaves for 400 years. They were traveling to the "promised land", which was overflowing with natural resources. The point of the command is not to have anything, the point of the command is essentially don't forget where you came from and that God provides your needs. The Jewish theologian Abraham Joshua Heschel said "to be a Jew is to remember", many of the commands in the Torah reflect that.........essentially "don't be a d!ck, it wasn't too long ago you were a slave and didn't have sh!t."
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so *that's* why they're so good at accounting
i think you mean "go Old Testament on him"
so apparently the pic was most likely fake...
someone took the time and ran the numbers:
Don’t EVEN Get Me Started, Mythical Bootstraps College Student | Persephone Magazine
someone took the time and ran the numbers:
Don’t EVEN Get Me Started, Mythical Bootstraps College Student | Persephone Magazine
Only about half are relevant today, as many have to do with practices involving the temple (as in THE temple) sacrifices and pilgrimages and things of that nature
But we are all like an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6; in the Hebrew text it is Isaiah 64:5).
Mericah, F yeah...
True, but almost a third have to do with how you treat your fellow man, including the verse from the 10 commandments dude cited........
Getting stoned, old-school:
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
King James Version (KJV)
*18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
*19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
*20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
*21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
King James Version (KJV)
*18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
*19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
*20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
*21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
My point was not that there aren’t parts of the Torah that are barbaric. Keep in mind Jesus as a Rabbi gives His interpretation about stoning with the story about when the Pharisee’s and Elders want to stone the one lady for fooling around.
My point was is that there are massive areas in both the Hebrew Scriptures and the Apostolic Text that talk about things like the rich not taking advantage of the poor, various commands to prevent the poor from getting poorer, heck the tithe was originally for the Levites (who couldn’t own land) and those who were poor and disadvantaged.
I’m not trying to convince anyone to come to faith in God / Jesus, but I do want people to understand one of the overarching stories of the Bible involves things like rich folks taking advantage of those who are disadvantaged. Like I mentioned earlier, regardless of if you believe the story of Jesus feeding 5000, or that it’s actually true was not my point. That story was in there for a reason, to show that this promised Messiah was giving Caesar/the Man the bird by such actions.
My point was is that there are massive areas in both the Hebrew Scriptures and the Apostolic Text that talk about things like the rich not taking advantage of the poor, various commands to prevent the poor from getting poorer, heck the tithe was originally for the Levites (who couldn’t own land) and those who were poor and disadvantaged.
I’m not trying to convince anyone to come to faith in God / Jesus, but I do want people to understand one of the overarching stories of the Bible involves things like rich folks taking advantage of those who are disadvantaged. Like I mentioned earlier, regardless of if you believe the story of Jesus feeding 5000, or that it’s actually true was not my point. That story was in there for a reason, to show that this promised Messiah was giving Caesar/the Man the bird by such actions.
Andy, i'm pretty sure it was you who stated that jesus had no worse contempt for those who used religion to gain power or money or something like that.
And this is why I respect and appreciate your posts. You are very well versed in your faith and you represent it better than many others I know. Rather than twist things like the bible to fit your needs, you use it as a tool to guide your faith. You are also quick to point out when others try to twist it for themselves.
I wish I could rep you more often.
The unemployed need something to do with their time. Why not a sit in? Hey man.., I hear there's something going on over at Hate Ashbury... we should go over there, can you dig that man? 
Haight, you bumbling fool.The unemployed need something to do with their time. Why not a sit in? Hey man.., I hear there's something going on over at Hate Ashbury... we should go over there, can you dig that man?