[norbar]

maybe it's a language barrier here, but reduction != elimination
you see, there needs to be reduction in gov't influence, reduction in gov't regulation, reduction in gov't subsidies

i believe all of those needs in reduction would directly & immediately translate into a reduction in our financial liabilities & would reduce financial risk

i like boobs as much as the next toddler, but comes a time you get the teet out of your mouth & sac up

That's not really a response to my question. Why free market is good? I really belive government should be smaller in some cases (number of officials for example) but in some cases regulation is good.

Also please stop the "I'm a free marketeer. Survival of the fittest. I'm a financial John Rambo babe" BS. I wonder what would happen if you would be born into a different family in a different area. I'm pretty sure you would cry like the rest of them.

 

[TheMontashu]

TAlso please stop the "I'm a free marketeer. Survival of the fittest. I'm a financial John Rambo babe" BS. I wonder what would happen if you would be born into a different family in a different area. I'm pretty sure you would cry like the rest of them.

Not to mention the whole "free market" thing being shown time and time again to fail miserably and just serve to make the rich rich, and the poor poor, when left alone

 

[norbar]

Not to mention the whole "free market" thing being shown time and time again to fail miserably and just serve to make the rich rich, and the poor poor, when left alone

Ssshh. Argentina only failed after the neo-con govt was overthrown! Stop spreading your liberal lies!

 

[dante]

this is a stronger standard than was used for the tbaggers, which was based upon unconfirmed & uncorroborated rumors

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Let me know when there's that many instances of antisemitism at the OWS protests, instead of that one crazy guy. If it's so prevalent it shouldn't be that hard to find, right?

don't know how NYC works, but up here in the gump, you go down to the muni court & your ass is in full view. then, you go around the block & get voting registration records for a few bucks. then, you go online to the county assessor's page, and booyah. pay dirt.

you'd know all this if you had an ex-wife who you wished to see drown in her new lover's blood. just sayin
i just love how if it's one's pet cause or sympathy, it will be defended until the end, but the counter case is effectively abrogated as a pretext to justify a-priori conclusions

Actually, here in WI it's even *more* open, with all court records searchable online. My speeding ticket from 3 years ago is on there, including my address and the fact that it was plead down to a "broken speedometer". I wouldn't be surprised if NYC's was the same, *but* official court records/documents would have only shown the charges, *not* the "and was arrested as part of the OWS movement" aspect. That is why TDC had to get the names/addresses illegally, and why they list a "source" as opposed to a FOIA.

I'm still chuckling over the lengths that some on the right-wing are going to try to discredit the movement... "Hey look, this protester has a rich mommy and daddy!!!"

 

[$tinkle]

That's not really a response to my question. Why free market is good? I really belive government should be smaller in some cases (number of officials for example) but in some cases regulation is good.

concur

Also please stop the "I'm a free marketeer. Survival of the fittest. I'm a financial John Rambo babe" BS. I wonder what would happen if you would be born into a different family in a different area. I'm pretty sure you would cry like the rest of them.

i just came

born so poor my single parent (dad) didn't pay income taxes almost all of my childhood. been working since i was 11 (paper route, mowing grass, sundry graft). lived in rent controlled apts & a 90 yr old drafty stone house for $100/mo on the south side of town. public schooling. lunch program. combined value of my first 5 cars: $1200.

Not to mention the whole "free market" thing being shown time and time again to fail miserably and just serve to make the rich rich, and the poor poor, when left alone

see above
see me
now look back above
now back at me

 

[TheMontashu]

see above
see me
now look back above
now back at me

See the wealthy removing all the cash from Argentina like Norbar said

See, the bailouts

See, the great depression

 

[norbar]

concur
i just came

born so poor my single parent (dad) didn't pay income taxes almost all of my childhood. been working since i was 11 (paper route, mowing grass, sundry graft). lived in rent controlled apts & a 90 yr old drafty stone house for $100/mo on the south side of town. public schooling. lunch program. combined value of my first 5 cars: $1200.

It doesn't only depend on being poor or not directly. If you were born in an area where the local school is crap or your family is absent and there are no reasonable role models around your chances are smaller.

Yes of course you allways have a chance but it is lower when you are poor and if you live in such unlucky circumstances the chances you are ****ed are bigger. People make decisions on incentives. If the best incentive (not only monetary one) for a poor person is to become a criminal it is very likely he may become one. Incentives is something economy controls and it should the govt. job to create incentives and educate people on their possibilities. I know it's not trully a super duper badass free market but that's how it works.

 

[TheMontashu]

It doesn't only depend on being poor or not directly. If you were born in an area where the local school is crap or your family is absent and there are no reasonable role models around your chances are smaller.

Yes of course you allways have a chance but it is lower when you are poor and if you live in such unlucky circumstances the chances you are ****ed are bigger. People make decisions on incentives. If the best incentive (not only monetary one) for a poor person is to become a criminal it is very likely he may become one. Incentives is something economy controls and it should the govt. job to create incentives and educate people on their possibilities. I know it's not trully a super duper badass free market but that's how it works.

That's socialist talk, stinkle is only OK with that when HE is the one getting his housing and tuition payed for via the government

 

[norbar]

That's socialist talk, stinkle is only OK with that when HE is the one getting his housing and tuition payed for via the government

I think even if he didn't get it he doesn't understand that his SIGLE case doesn't make the rule. Govt rule is to serve the society - at least the majority of it. I doubt he is in the majority, no matter how inspiring his story is.


Though Montashu I think we won't convince him because he knows the secret truth that we are only evil komunitz because of all the hipster pussy that goes for it

 

[$tinkle]

Yes of course you allways have a chance but it is lower when you are poor and if you live in such unlucky circumstances the chances you are ****ed are bigger. People make decisions on incentives.

or character
bernie madoff had a very large incentive, but small character

 

[$tinkle]

That's socialist talk, stinkle is only OK with that when HE is the one getting his housing and tuition payed for via the government

socialism is taking out regardless of how much you put in

i, however, put in & am continuing to put in

it's called ROI; a free market idea

 

[norbar]

or character
bernie madoff had a very large incentive, but small character

That's the reason why we don't understand each other. You speak about single people I speak about the society as a group. Character determines behaviour of a single person, incentives determine behaviour of the masses.
Not to mention you don't really know what his specific reasons were. Maybe it was stupidity, maybe it was one mistake that led into a spiral of mistakes. I don't defend him. I'm quite hostile to people like him but allways curious how people who earn truckloads of cash get to do things like that.

Also character also depends in a large part depending on upbringing but lets not get into psychology.

 

[$tinkle]

I think even if he didn't get it he doesn't understand that his SIGLE case doesn't make the rule. Govt rule is to serve the society - at least the majority of it. I doubt he is in the majority, no matter how inspiring his story is.

the fact that you greet my story with a gaping yawn says quite a bit about your outlook.

that's troubling.

 

[norbar]

socialism is taking out regardless of how much you put in

i, however, put in & am continuing to put in

it's called ROI; a free market idea

Nope. It's an economic idea. Stop claiming everything that is good for free market and everything bad to socialistm. That's dogmatism and shows you don't understand either. If you make it eaasier for people to get a job, more people will get a job = more cash from taxes = ROI. So where did you suggest anyone is for handouts? Giving handouts for no reason ha been proven to work as little as the moar free market idea. Why do rightwingers still think modern left wing is for handouts? Social support for a year than GTFO to requalify. That's what works.

 

[norbar]

the fact that you greet my story with a gaping yawn says quite a bit about your outlook.

that's troubling.

You seriously need a reading class. Where did I say I met your story with a gaping yawn? Kudos to you for making it. The only thing I've said you shouldn't make a single case a rule because if that was true we should travel to lourdes sanctuary instead going to hospitals. Much cheaper than many hospital bills.

 

[TheMontashu]

socialism is taking out regardless of how much you put in

i, however, put in & am continuing to put in

it's called ROI; a free market idea

How do you take yourself seriously? I mean you are honestly going to justify yourself but not other with that bull****???


You seriously need to take a look at the double standard of your positions

 

[$tinkle]

Stop claiming everything that is good for free market and everything bad to socialistm.

wait
so if i'm being specific, i miss the forest for the trees, but if i address this situation with a free market perspective, i'm too sweeping?

If you make it eaasier for people to get a job, more people will get a job = more cash from taxes = ROI.

you're a closet capitalist
admit it

Why do rightwingers still think modern left wing is for handouts?

just spit-ballin here, but it could be the historical data

 

[$tinkle]

You seriously need to take a look at the double standard of your positions

no, i have but one standard:
you don't take out if you are able to put in, but choose not to

 

[dante]

socialism is taking out regardless of how much you put in

i, however, put in & am continuing to put in

it's called ROI; a free market idea

Socialism is:

a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community (government) as a whole.

You know, like a government sponsored defense contractor.....

 

[$tinkle]

Socialism is:

yes, b/c short of the dictionary definition, my position is wholly without merit

You know, like a government sponsored defense contractor.....

uh, this is crony capitalism, you tart

 

[ohio]

yes, b/c short of the dictionary definition, my position is wholly without merit

The dictionary definition is not the only reason your position is wholly without merit

 

[dante]

yes, b/c short of the dictionary definition, my position is wholly without merit

Do you seriously not get the humor of someone who's employed through the largest socialist organization in the country ranting about (and misusing the term) "Socialism"?

 

[eric strt6]

so Occupy Oakland has called for a general strike today. I work out that way. They better not try to stop me from earning a living today, they really will not enjoy my response.

 

[TheMontashu]

no, i have but one standard:
you don't take out if you are able to put in, but choose not to

So where is my take? I work, and go to school, bla bla bla. Yet still no one gives me anything for free....

Like I said double standard, you're way busted dude. You're totally cool with the government spending money as long as it's ON YOU, and those tax dollars aren't going to others.

 

[TheMontashu]

yes, b/c short of the dictionary definition, my position is wholly without merit
uh, this is crony capitalism, you tart

That's called fascism, you tart

 

[jonKranked]

so Occupy Oakland has called for a general strike today. I work out that way. They better not try to stop me from earning a living today, they really will not enjoy my response.

ghost ride the whip?

 

[TheMontashu]

so Occupy Oakland has called for a general strike today. I work out that way. They better not try to stop me from earning a living today, they really will not enjoy my response.

You do realize it was the police that turned this protest into the **** storm it's turning into right????

 

[jonKranked]

yup...

Veterans March For Occupy Wall Street — And It's Like Nothing You've Ever Seen Before

The veterans stopped, faced the press and gave a speech. "We are veterans and we are the 99%. We swore to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. We are here to support the Occupy movement."

Veterans March For Occupy Wall Street

 

[Pesqueeb]

yup...




Veterans March For Occupy Wall Street

Clearly just a bunch of lazy, jobless, Freedom® hating, liberal fags expecting government handouts. /HelloKitty

 

[jasride]

Peaceful Occupy protest degenerates into riot - TODAY News - TODAY.com

Protesters, who streamed across a freeway overpass to gather in front of the port gates late Wednesday, stood atop tractor-trailers stopped in the middle of the street.

Others climbed onto scaffolding over railroad tracks as a band played a version of the Led Zeppelin song "Whole Lotta Love," using amplifiers powered by stationary bike generators.

That's rad! /\

 

[dante]

Clearly just a bunch of lazy, jobless, Freedom® hating, liberal fags expecting government handouts. /HelloKitty

You forgot "socialist".

 

[Pesqueeb]

You forgot "socialist".

Sorry, my brain injury means I can only handle so many cliche's at one time.

 

[jimmydean]

Clearly just a bunch of lazy, jobless, Freedom® hating, liberal fags expecting government handouts. /HelloKitty

Homeboy does look sharp in his dress blues, though. I think the vet support is awesome.

 

[sanjuro]

Protesters, who streamed across a freeway overpass to gather in front of the port gates late Wednesday, stood atop tractor-trailers stopped in the middle of the street.

Others climbed onto scaffolding over railroad tracks as a band played a version of the Led Zeppelin song "Whole Lotta Love," using amplifiers powered by stationary bike generators.

Your photographer

 

[jimmydean]

Taking the "occupy" idea too far?
Kitchen Volunteer's Sex Assault Arrest Shocks Zuccotti Park - Yahoo! News

The 26-year-old volunteer, a Crown Heights man named Tonye Iketubosin, was known in the kitchen as Tonye Parks, one cooking colleague told Gothamist. "He was a genuinely nice guy...he came to get **** done," kitchen volunteer Beau Sibbing told the news blog. But after two different women reported he had raped one and groped another, his fellow volunteers told him to leave.

 

[Pesqueeb]

Thank you for wearing that bandanna.

 

[JetTeach]

Shutting down the Port of Oakland may not have been the best thing for the protesters to do. It has a huge potential to be counter productive to their efforts. Some interesting press releases and an "Open Letter to the Community of Oakland" on their website.

Port of Oakland - Welcome

 

[Pesqueeb]

Oakland has a long, honorable, and innovative tradition of social justice action.

I only lived in California for 14 years, but thats not how I remember Oakland.

 

[Beef Supreme]

Taking the "occupy" idea too far?
Kitchen Volunteer's Sex Assault Arrest Shocks Zuccotti Park - Yahoo! News

Ya, my wife was not all that excited when I informed her I was going to be occupying her vajayjay.

 

[stevew]

I only lived in California for 14 years, but thats not how I remember Oakland.

do you remember it like this....

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