Occupy Wall Street?
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I'd bet serious money that the amount spent on proselytizing and preaching about Jeebus (and funding issues like Prop 8) far outweighs the amount that it saves taxpayer money for food banks and other assorted philanthropic vehicles...
what can i say but "free speech isn't free"?
Not at all buddy, he pays people handsomely to make sure he pays as little as possible. Go look at the amount of income the top 1% receives in relation to the amount of taxes they pay, it's disgusting. The middle class pays more than the rich it's a proven fact. The capitol gains tax is capped at 15% and that is where most of the rich's money comes from Legal or not, it's wrong, and the system needs changing.
Pseudo intellectualism?? Don't you work as an EMT or something like that? I actually understand how the derivatives work that crashed the economy. If you want to discuss how soft money works or something like that I'm happy too, but if you want to just call me a moron, seriously piss off. I spent more time learning about political science and economics before changing to engineering than you spent learning to work on an ambulance.
Have a read you ignorant asshat
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/28/business/a-personal-and-painful-tax-reality-common-sense.html?pagewanted=all
Oh and for reference, here is some data that shows how well that soft money has done in bringing down the tax rate for the rich
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/151.html
I also would like to add, that the era when we as a nation did the best was when the highest tax bracket was 80-90% and we were investing tons and tons of money in our infrastructure and education.
If you want to keep telling yourself that some rich asshole hoarding his money is helping you instead of that tax money fixing our roads and paying teachers, then you sir are delusional
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ummm, at least the guy who spends his money helps the economy. The way the rich hoard would fall into the redistribution of wealth category. They make money of the middle class, and ummm get richer, while spending more money to lower taxes, find loop holes, and find ways for the government to hand them corporate welfare checks.
here's another proven fact: the bottom 80% pay just less than a third of taxes.
oh, and they make up almost 90% of the population
furthermore, the upper quintile (again, just 10% of the population) earns 1/2 the income, from which comes 2/3 of all federal taxes.
disgusting, indeed
it's changing all the time
i think the issue here is you pursued an education that reinforces your worldview
this part sucks:
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i wonder what's changed since then? perhaps i should google it
how about both?
guess what? those small businesses also do.
would you have the upper class only be allowed to engage in commerce within their own bracket?
Hey Mooshoo
Just to set you straight. I'm the Director of the Ambulance company. Prior to that I spent 20 years as a regional sales manager in the electronics industry. I happen to own a very nice home in the mountains, you I believe still live at mommy and daddys
Just to set you straight. I'm the Director of the Ambulance company. Prior to that I spent 20 years as a regional sales manager in the electronics industry. I happen to own a very nice home in the mountains, you I believe still live at mommy and daddys
You're neglecting the fact that capitol gains play a HUGE part in that, those figures are absent, not counted as "income" As well the middle and lower class pay MUCH more in things like sales taxes, they are what's actually referred to as a regressive tax, so are traffic tickets.
here's another proven fact: the bottom 80% pay just less than a third of taxes.
oh, and they make up almost 90% of the population
furthermore, the upper quintile (again, just 10% of the population) earns 1/2 the income, from which comes 2/3 of all federal taxes.
disgusting, indeed
see, when the wealthy hoard and we lower taxes, we don't have this thing called funding for school, they are indeed expensive.
How far along did you get in econ? Here is how it works, the middle class doesn't hoard money, the top 1% does, when you give some one money who hoards it, it does, what's the word, not much, trade some commodities, make investments that you can invest into to guarantee success. What do you or I do with that money? We buy bikes and cars and houses, and things that then pay other people who need jobs to do things. I understand the wealthy spend more money per person, but it is far less in proportion to their income.
See, when you have a huge corporation who's only motive is profit, they send production to the little asian kids in china, labor is cut ten fold, profits double, and every dollar you now spend on that product is not milking out economy dry, that money is going into A) some factory in china or B) some rich guy's pocket.
You mean the kid who was a card carrying libertarian when I started college? Funny thing what a basic econ book will tell you about conservative economic policy.
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And that qualifies in politics how???? I don't know how to save lives, but then again, I haven't spent as much time studying it as you.
It's also funny how an extra 1000$ a month in the college fund keeps me motivated to stay at home till next fall. But then again, what the hell do I know, I'm only trying to make getting an education as easy as possible, or should I move out now to try and impress and compete with you?
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Anyone ride any cool trails lately?
it rained, dug in the dirt for 3 days last week. Cool trails to come
no but you think you know how to do things, what you want to do with other folks money and livelyhoods, yet you haven't done any of them yourself. Which is why the majority of us here at RM and in the community who work every day, who run buisnesses, employ others, and do community volunteer work, have earned our place in the community, look at you and shake our heads.
Nope, all the trails around here are snow-covered, and I've resisted the fatbike/snowbike so far... Instead I've been focusing more on urban, including cheap and easy ways to be seen at night.
RM does seem to get bitchy as the temps drop, doesn't it? Or *more* bitchy as the case may be?
No dude, you're just a crotchety old man who can't handle some stupid kid knowing more about politics and economics than you. The fact that you have been in the work force has nothing to do with it, and if you really think me wanting funding for schools and roads is me wanting to "take other peoples money for myself" then you sir are the king tool, and have ZERO idea what you are talking about. As well I'm more than happy to pay my fair share in taxes, I understand that things need paying for, I'm not some old crotchety dude who's greed gets in the way of understanding how taxation and economics work
Even if you want to be a greedy prick, like you seem too, think about this. If a college degree is worth a million dollars over a life time, the government long term takes in more in taxes from a person who has a degree than the cost of the degree. Not to mention the fact that investment in education long term is the single biggest thing you can do for the economy.
So I'm lazy now? Dude you know NOTHING about me, not only do I work 4-5 days a week, but I'm in school 4-5 days a week. Did you have to go to school to be a sales jerk???? As well I'm heavily involved in a winter homeless shelter my temple runs.
do you hand out hot motzah & poly-pro yarmulkes?
eat it to this: http://www.verumserum.com/?p=37383
I see what jew did there....
Oi! Try the veal, I will be here all week...tip your waitresses!
Even Jack Welch at GE had something like 20:1 and he was one of the most closely correlated in recent history. You're talking about a CEO who happens to have a janitor making $10/hr who will cap at $250k/y. If that happens, corporations will be leaving Switzerland. Maybe 20:1 vs average, but still never going to happen.
I for one, would be horrified if we made the mistake of chasing Lloyd Blankfein or Jamie Dimon to fvck off to some other country.
There are some Nigerian princes who could clearly use their financial expertise.
I had forgotten the level of insanity contained in this thread.
And I hope the Swiss kids are succcesful, and I would bet, if they are, it doesnt chase industry one out of the country...
And I hope the Swiss kids are succcesful, and I would bet, if they are, it doesnt chase industry one out of the country...
i'd put my money on lawyers, accountants and financers figuring out a way to rename compensation, or structure salaries in a way that execs will still end up getting huge amounts of compensation. regulation brings out the creative in people.
There are similar rules elsewhere. Janitorial staff here is contracted out, so the CEO here would be figured against someone on the manufacturing floor. I am guessing $12 an hour on the low end (but I have no idea). I know our CEO doesn't make crazy money (not sure what his actual salary is, but I've seen revenue and cost figures for the company) but we are also only 250ish people with an operating capital of $25M. I know the engineers here make pretty good coin.
While I understand a CEO assumes all risk ultimately, I also fail to see how anyone can justify a salary above $5M. I mean, if you can't live comfy on $5M/year, you have real issues to begin with.
While I understand a CEO assumes all risk ultimately, I also fail to see how anyone can justify a salary above $5M. I mean, if you can't live comfy on $5M/year, you have real issues to begin with.
real issues or a very healthy coke habit.I mean, if you can't live comfy on $5M/year, you have real issues to begin with.
This.
quick, to the durden phone!
Who wants to make soap?
wtf oakland? florida jr?
This thread is awesome.
Ya'll remember when sanjuro was soros funded antifa for like 10 minutes?
Occupy Wall Street?
maybe it's a language barrier here, but reduction != elimination you see, there needs to be reduction in gov't influence, reduction in gov't regulation, reduction in gov't subsidies i believe all of those needs in reduction would directly & immediately translate into a reduction in our...
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then clutched the pearls...
True colors starting show....As someone who has a sporting interest in protests and riots, let me say that around the Bay Area, some of the Occupy folks are behaving in a mob mentality fashion.
I think about the bravery of the man in Tienanmen Square facing down a tank. Is that what is going on when you attack a cop and run into the crowd? Or a group of Occupiers threaten a reporter?
Or about Occupy Cal? Who looks like they are in charge here?
Showed an impermeable faith in cops...
And then just totally went back to brunch....
Anyway I'm pretty sure sanjuro is running a substack somewhere as a dave rubin equivalent, reformed liberal who saw the light, and now fights the woke
I also think hello kitty may legit be a guy named joey camp, who you definitely should and should not look up, depending on stomach fortitude.
And $tinkle is definitely on stormfront somewhere.
I'm a historian. Fuck off.
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Education can do amazing things; leaving the echo chamber as well. Knowing how the Street works, made me an ass. Learning more fundamentals around economics (what does work vs. theory), changed my view substantially as well.
I hang my head at the shit I said then...
I hang my head at the shit I said then...
Seems pretty universal, no?
I pulled up that thread looking for something specific, and was reminded of all kinds of wonderful things. That probably being among the least offensive.