Occupy Wall Street?
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unless the seats are made from whale penis leather i am dissappointHa! I'm in Texas baby we drive Man trucks here is my Ford F450 (thats a ton and a half yankees) King Ranch 6.4L Diesel 4x4 crew cab it gets 11mpg on a good day and 9mpg with my 5th wheel behind it so suck on that enviro-weenies!
This was taken at the hermosa creek trail head this summer we left it there so we could do the bolam pass to hotel draw ride out and back (no shuttles for these Texans)
Well said.
WAIT....
I typed "well said" to Montashu...
THE SEVENTH SEAL HAS BEEN OPENED
Meh, little bitchpants Hello Pu$$y wont be back, like he said. Just showed up to troll and then run away like George Bush from Vietnam. Good riddance, loser...
i'm late to the party on this issue. i just got wound up about it today, and it feels like the launch of the new iPhone; everyone is worked up about it, but i'm having a hard time understanding what it is all about.
i want to see what the outrage is about, but even with the help of google, all i can seem to find are stories about white people complaining about problems faced by every type of people for as long as this country has been around. it certainly isn't the battle-cry of the greatest generation and those who bootstrapped themselves to success in the face of adversity.
it also seems like the story of people who were given enough rope to hang themselves, and took it, going to schools, buying houses, and having kids they can't afford. it sounds like people who want communism, but are afraid to call it that. the movement lacks focus, and provides easy fodder for the media. i'm not picking a side, for or against, but i can see the flaws with the tactics, which are being used by the opposition.
the death of the american dream has been poked at since the day after the dream, and Hunter S. Thompson wasn't just writing a cool story about a drug binge in Vegas.
somebody help me out and point me in a direction to understand the complaints and the requested corrective actions. so far, all the press i a can find is people complaining about being in tough times.
i want to see what the outrage is about, but even with the help of google, all i can seem to find are stories about white people complaining about problems faced by every type of people for as long as this country has been around. it certainly isn't the battle-cry of the greatest generation and those who bootstrapped themselves to success in the face of adversity.
it also seems like the story of people who were given enough rope to hang themselves, and took it, going to schools, buying houses, and having kids they can't afford. it sounds like people who want communism, but are afraid to call it that. the movement lacks focus, and provides easy fodder for the media. i'm not picking a side, for or against, but i can see the flaws with the tactics, which are being used by the opposition.
the death of the american dream has been poked at since the day after the dream, and Hunter S. Thompson wasn't just writing a cool story about a drug binge in Vegas.
somebody help me out and point me in a direction to understand the complaints and the requested corrective actions. so far, all the press i a can find is people complaining about being in tough times.
There has always been risky assets but never repackaged and sold as otherwise on such huge scale of fraud. The interconnected system had feedback all over the world and the problem was amplified, people who had nothing to do with are mad as they should be - they were not in debt (or severely in debt at least) but their lives were negatively impacted on a large scale. The financial sector is at fault has not been held responsible or fundamentally changed to stop such failures in the future. This isn't an opaque problem, this is the reason why mainstreet is upset. These ground level protests are just like any other in a democratic society - some people don't have a clear picture but they understand there is an inherent problem that needs to be addressed, it hasn't been. We live in a democracy and you are upset because people aren't sitting on their asses doing nothing like our broken political system?
Also, have the people on the right forgot about how stupid their people acted in their psuedo grassroots movement - "gov - hands off my social security" and the like, please.
There have been people articulating the problem clearly:
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Also confirmed reports of efforts by the right to actively distort the news on OWS:
http://my.firedoglake.com/cgrapski/2011/10/09/american-standard-editor-admits-to-being-agent-provacateur-at-d-c-museum/
http://my.firedoglake.com/cgrapski/2011/10/09/american-standard-editor-admits-to-being-agent-provacateur-at-d-c-museum/
so, i hear you liek mudkipz?
I'm not upset. I just see the anger and frustration and lots of talk about the failure of the American Dream. When I read the 99% blog, I see many stories that are unfortunate. What I'm not seeing is the thread that pulls them together, nor the end game they are asking for.
When hippies protested, it was against Vietnam. When workers go on strike, it is for changes in employment conditions. I'm trying to wrap my head around what is being asked for and will provide satisfaction.
The best I can figure is that they want "Wall Street" to be held by the ankles and have the change that falls out redistributed, and they want "The Government" to be their Robin Hood.
I think it goes deeper than that. There isn't a common thread other than the fact people are pissed. Pissed about what? They have no demands, there is no end game. It's just a bunch of pissed people with little or nothing better to do.
It's getting some attention, so someone will need to step up to "speak for the group" at some point.
It's getting some attention, so someone will need to step up to "speak for the group" at some point.
the problem that will eventually come to light is how wall street has lobbied the gov't in order to create their own set of laws. Not to mention the complete and total moral bankruptcy that has infected corporate america.
My question is this: what exactly is it that these executives and ceo's are doing to earn a $100 million salary/bonus? Cuz it sure as hell ain't doing anything worthwhile like curing cancer or aids.
My question is this: what exactly is it that these executives and ceo's are doing to earn a $100 million salary/bonus? Cuz it sure as hell ain't doing anything worthwhile like curing cancer or aids.
That is a feature of being unemployed, that you have time to protest.
It will be interesting to see who becomes the voice, and the spin they put on it.
Right now, it seems a bit of a pity party. I'm still open to being sympathetic, but I don't feel I understand what to do.
It will be interesting to see who becomes the voice, and the spin they put on it.
Right now, it seems a bit of a pity party. I'm still open to being sympathetic, but I don't feel I understand what to do.
They gave us iPads, Thirsty-two ounce sodas, and tri-vection ovens . . . and we bought them. Because we demanded them for less, the manufacturing was moved out of the country, taking jobs with it, leaving behind unemployed consumers.
more like "the shareholders demanded a better margin and more profits"...
I'm pretty sure we happily took the bait.
don't try to troll me by tolling with your troll related troller-poster.
that's actually an actual movie. I watched it this weekend too.
How often does change (social, political, financial, etc) in the creation/history of countries include a clean/clear consistent plan? We aren't talking about entrepreneurs or corporations with a business plan and there are plenty of things outside the control of anyone regardless.
Does Greece or the various countries (Egypt, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc) in major political or financial upheaval have a clear path to resolution? Things don't usually work the way you are proposing. The world is never black and white as HK claims and having a plan and staying the course can even be far worse (see GWB).
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Bah, that's allright. We got a decent discussion out of it eventually.
Actually, right now I'm placing the blame squarely on the American consumer... Selling bikes I get to talk to a lot of consumers, and while quite a few lament that the bikes aren't made in the US, nobody's quite ready to spend $1500 to $1700 just to uy a comparable Made in the USA bike... It would cost me more than I'm selling complete bikes for to source a bike's worth of US tubing, let alone welding, painting and parts. Could domestic manufacturing come back? Sure, but only when Americans choose to pay more (or are forced to pay more) for US made goods...
Its industry dependent, but modern capital intensive factories with a lot more automation make it feasible to make products in the EU or US at a price competitive with Asia.
should we look for the union label?
If only someone would have warned us that this type of thing could happen, before it got out of hand . . . Oh wait, they did:
sooo.... money has become self aware like skynet?
Nope, you should look for the label that says... (wait for it) Made in the USA.
Enough with skynet. If you fear the skynet, get a manual. There are not that many comps in manuals vs. cvt's.
Concise editorial which sums up OWS:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/opinion/panic-of-the-plutocrats.html?_r=1&src=tp&smid=fb-share
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/opinion/panic-of-the-plutocrats.html?_r=1&src=tp&smid=fb-share
A version of this op-ed appeared in print on October 10, 2011, on page A23 of the New York edition with the headline: Panic Of the Plutocrats.
True Fact: Looking at sales by area code density southern Manhattan is my #1 market.
Also True Fact: The majority of these customers buy my bikes to "atone for their sins" and because they want to harken back to their salad days when they were putting x's on their fists and punching each other in the face in acts of non-conformist anti-consumerist rock and roll debauching.
True Fact #3: One of the primary reasons I've started building custom bikes is so they can buy more bikes from me.
Buying a less-expensive American-Made bike is an act of noncomformity for them in a world driven by status, and the very novelty of being able to buy something that's made in the US by a vocal and openly anarchic blabbermouth gives them a certain amount of cache among their peers.
Consumer education and social pressure works on every level of our economy in every economic class.
Totally nifty.
(In case you didn't know Spooky(aka me) is the only company left that builds affordable road racing frames in the USA)
THAT IS SO FRIGGING F@CKED UP.
Curtlo isn't around anymore? About 5 years ago I was thinking of a custom frame and his name came up frequently as being decent quality and price.
i have three times over....but wouldn't a union label make it that much more fantastic?
If you call me right now you can have a 2.2 pound race-tested, UCI approved black-anodized race-rocket on your doorstep Friday morning for $800.
Think Cannondale.
Lots of my customers used to buy cannondales before they went to Taiwan. Or they work at a company like Trek and can buy a durable, lightweight frame from Spooky for less than they can get a bike that they are comfortable crashing from their employer.
Ah, gotcha...you meant in stock geometries on fast delivery. Makes sense now.
Interesting article about bmx frames being made in the USA vs. overseas.
http://espn.go.com/action/bmx/blog/_/post/7039366/the-resurgence-us-made-bmx-frames
http://espn.go.com/action/bmx/blog/_/post/7039366/the-resurgence-us-made-bmx-frames
octopi wall street
Now I want a gallon of milk and some chips ahoy..
Theres probably 500 people posted up in Portland still. chanting.Holding signs. Being Portlandites.
Theres probably 500 people posted up in Portland still. chanting.Holding signs. Being Portlandites.
how's this for perspective? you iPhone tweeting douches.