[bigginsis]

first, i am going to the sharpie 500 this weekend in bristol and yes i love me some fast cars so i am psyched. second, i watched "touching the void" (good porn title i think) last night and good grief those guys were crazy. i know this is a bike forum not climbing but you gotta give those dudes repsect. anyone else seen it?

 

[zod]

first, i am going to the sharpie 500 this weekend in bristol

I hate you :mumble:

 

[bigginsis]

oh i forgot to mention....passes to the Dupont hospitality tent to meet Jeff Gordon and tour the track. biggins is going too.

 

[Westy]

Wish I could watch cars drive

 

[zod]

Dude, that's my driver.....now I really hate you. If you had passes to the DEI tent my wife would probably leave me for you

 

[DVNT]

first, i am going to the sharpie 500 this weekend in bristol and yes i love me some fast cars so i am psyched. second, i watched "touching the void" (good porn title i think) last night and good grief those guys were crazy. i know this is a bike forum not climbing but you gotta give those dudes repsect. anyone else seen it?

yep i saw it, it was crazy i can't believe that guy lived and crawled out of there. And the part describing his broken leg AAAHHHH

Did you watch the DVD extras with the interviews of the guys? Man the guy that cut the rope has got some serious issues! Everybody in the UK hates him for leaving his buddy for dead.

What did you think?

 

[BikeGeek]

Everybody in the UK hates him for leaving his buddy for dead.

What did you think?

Tough call, but I'd have cut him loose too. However, I would like to think I would have checked for a body before hiking out. It's hard to say just how clearly anyone would be thinking in those conditions.

 

[DVNT]

I agree, seriously if he would of spent a few minutes and just shouted for him near the edge of the crevace there wouldn't be a movie.

The DVD extra interview thing was really interesting. They brought both guys back to the location of the camp and ...can't remember his name... the guy that cut the rope was getting really really irritated with the film makers. At one point he started yelling at him and saying things that made him look like a total ass.

"look like a total ass." - well he is. Only a complete @sshole would do what he did.

 

[jacksonpt]

Wish I could watch cars drive

in a circle





for 3 hours

 

[JRB]

I have no idea about the movie, but someone said Jeff Gordon and I am here.




*Nascar ain't for me, but I do ride bikes so how do I make fun of anyone?

 

[bigginsis]

If I was going to the DEI tent I'd already be outside the gates with my nose pressed against them. Although I do like Gordon - he's got a good sense of humor.

As for the guy cutting his buddy loose, I don't know what choice he really had? Biggins - you're a climber - what's your vote?

 

[Brian HCM#1]

in a circle





for 3 hours

Thats only 2 hours and 59 min too long.

 

[DVNT]

As for the guy cutting his buddy loose, I don't know what choice he really had? Biggins - you're a climber - what's your vote?

it wasn't him cutting the rope so much as leaving his partner for dead when he didn't bother to even look first.
And I'm sure hypothermia and what not had a big part in his lack of logical decision making but still....
<rant>
I'm surprised the guy still climbs, i wouldn't go with him. And in the interview he made an ass out of himself by saying they weren't friends, that they never talked after that and that they just climbed together a few times....so that makes it ok that he left him for dead. Then he went on naming all these other mountains he climbed and that this was nothing in his grand explorer lifestyle Then he started dissin' the UK climbing society for not allowing him to attempt Mt. Everest. :nuts:

ok.... backing off on the caffiene now. </rant>

 

[biggins]

i would have cut the rope. in the position they were in there was no way he could really check to see if he was dead. it is accepted among alpinists that there are things that need to be done sometimes and that may be one of them. that was was certainly gnarcore though.

as for the race im stoked. im not a big nascar fan but im all about some bristol. a bunch of cars going 120 around a half mile salad bowl. the turns are banked at like 35%.

 

[golgiaparatus]

"touching the void" (good porn title i think) last night and good grief those guys were crazy. i know this is a bike forum not climbing but you gotta give those dudes repsect. anyone else seen it?

Never seen touching the void... but My buddy from Chatenooga had tons o climbing vidios. He had one that was called "climbing the crack" or "mastering the crack" or something like that, theres a porn title for ya. It was about this group that did a massive crack climb, one of the longest. That sh!t looked really tough.






WARNING HIJACK :devil:







Best porn movie title ever: "Feed The Kitty"

 

[Crashby]

Dick Trickle

 

[DVNT]

Shaving Ryan's Privates

 

[bigginsis]

Mike Hawk Plumbing

 

[s1ngletrack]

it wasn't him cutting the rope so much as leaving his partner for dead when he didn't bother to even look first.
And I'm sure hypothermia and what not had a big part in his lack of logical decision making but still....
<rant>
I'm surprised the guy still climbs, i wouldn't go with him. And in the interview he made an ass out of himself by saying they weren't friends, that they never talked after that and that they just climbed together a few times....so that makes it ok that he left him for dead. Then he went on naming all these other mountains he climbed and that this was nothing in his grand explorer lifestyle Then he started dissin' the UK climbing society for not allowing him to attempt Mt. Everest. :nuts:

ok.... backing off on the caffiene now. </rant>

I'm with you - he came across like a real d1ck - like he was just there for the money and couldn't give a damn about anyone else - though I do understand his decision and believe that he made the right one - one death beats two.

 

[douglas]

ya likey red nec females?

http://www.thestatenislandboys.com/All_da_Crap_is_here/Caroline.swf

 

[biggins]

ya likey red nec females?

http://www.thestatenislandboys.com/All_da_Crap_is_here/Caroline.swf

is that link work safe?

 

[jacksonpt]

is that link work safe?

yea, it's safe

 

[biggins]

cool. to bad ill have to log in under an admin. id to view.

 

[chicodude]

that was just wrong.............But funny as hell

 

[BarbaRosa]

yep i saw it, it was crazy i can't believe that guy lived and crawled out of there. And the part describing his broken leg AAAHHHH

Did you watch the DVD extras with the interviews of the guys? Man the guy that cut the rope has got some serious issues! Everybody in the UK hates him for leaving his buddy for dead.

What did you think?

it is called mountaineering, by the standards of survival up at altitude he made the correct choice. the world is different and the rules are different up high... it is what it is, dont go if you can deal or are not ready to face the issues that could be put in front of you. altitude is a different place.

 

[DVNT]

like i stated in another post. yes he had to cut the rope, that was not what i was critical about.

All i'm saying is that the next morning he looked at the crevice and just walked away. No he didn't shout or bother to look to at least see what happened to tell the poor guys parents how he died. In that regard i think he acted selfish and cowardly and please spare me the "macho" talk about the rules of mountaineering. People should rise to the occasion to meet challenges no matter how hopeless they seem. Just take the other guy for example; he didn't give up, he climbed out of a huge crevice with a badly broken leg, dehydrated and with hypothermia and lived.


now where are the pictures of the OLYMPIC BOOTY

 

[BarbaRosa]

it is not macho talk.... it is about hitting the physical and emotional and psychological wall... have you ever had frostbite? been so cold you thought you took care of stuff and then slowly realize you are wearing your boot liners and not your boots, that you can not remeber where your mitts are and your fingers dont work and your hands are like clubs? that stuff hits you sometimes before you realize it... reality closes in on you in a hurry when you physically start to shut down... everyones levels of surviving come in at differrent points...

my point is that there are places people go to push themselves, and it is real. so either people are stupid cause they do not grasp what the reality is or they make choices and get into situations out of the control of anyone...

it is not like, oh, I should yell over the side to make the parents feel better... you are trying to get your feet to move, who gives a **** about feelings for anything other then can i stand? where to put my foot when you cant feel them.

have you ever been outside at -40? or -70 WITH OUT windchill? ... time is different you blink and your eyes freeze shut...

all i am saying is mountaineering is a whole different set of rules.... people who spend time in those climates understand so i just assume you have not spend time in a climate that is or similar to a high alpine event?

there is no fear factor camera crew to strap you in....

 

[BikeGeek]

all i am saying is mountaineering is a whole different set of rules.... people who spend time in those climates understand...

Then why did the mountaineering community come down so hard on this guy?

 

[biggins]

Then why did the mountaineering community come down so hard on this guy?

you should think of it in the way we think about getting injured riding. everyone says "we accept the fact that it may be the outcome" but in reality we just recognize the fact that it may be the outcome. We do not accept it as an outcome until it happens then we deal with it. some people can not deal with that outcome and thats all there is to it. the fight or flight instinct is very strong and when mountaineering one must make these kinds of decisions or "recognise" they might have have to. Accepting that outcome and following through/dealing with the consequences of that outcome are a whole different thing.

 

[BarbaRosa]

followup to biggins... is that the guy's emotional outbursts and his humanity in dealing with it later, is uncool..... but, with compassion I can UNDERSTAND it... how would you feel if everyone on ride monkey thought you were a cad? ... Not everyone can shrug stuff off like that... and go by the montra of dr sues, those who mind dont matter, those that matter dont mind.

 

[DVNT]

OK......
Let me try this one more time.
TWO GUYS climbing the same mountain.
Both dehydrated
Both frostbite
Both Extremely Tired
Both Extremely Cold
One Guy with a really badly broken leg.
--------------------------------------- everyone still with me, ok good
Guy with Broken Leg falls
After hours of waiting.......
Other guy cuts rope thinking partner BL is dead
Cut Rope guy saves himself by diggin in for the night to try to stay warm
Storm blows over and it's morning
----------------------------------------- everythings reasonable, ok with me
Cut Rope guy walks down the hill
See's Crevice and thinks BL must of fallen down there
And walks back to camp at the end of the day
which in his state is no easy task
------------------------------------------- how am i doing now?????
BL lives through the night
In the same "climate" as CR with a Broken Leg
Manages to climb down the bottom of the crevice
climb out of the glacier
and travels what another 2-3 days by Crawling back to base camp
All with a Broken Leg
_____________________________

Ok, to me. IN MY OPINION WHICH DOENS"T MEAN SH!T.
If BL was tough enough to do what he did,
then CR could of at least walked a few extra yards to confirm that his partner whom you are supposed to trust your life with his actually dead.

i'm done.
my opinion CR is an @sshole and i hope those ghosts keep haunting him for the rest of his life and the next, NOT for cutting the rope but for walking away.

 

[MikeD]

If he hadn't cut the rope, they'd both have died. If he cut the rope, one of them stood a chance of living (and the other was presumed dead or at least nearly so by that point.) So, he made the right choice and cut the rope. Then it turned out they both lived, by incredible acts of will.

All in all, what's the problem? It's just a completely comprehensible emotional inability to deal with the trauma of it all. In a way, I'd say he was thinking more clearly when he cut the rope than he's able to now.

That movie was fvcking incredible. (could be said for some of the porns, too, I suppose...but more on that after work...)

 

[bmorekirby]

car running in circles doesn't really interest me. i'd rather to go a demilition derby!

 

[biggins]

car running in circles doesn't really interest me. i'd rather to go a demilition derby!

bristol is a very fast demo derby. 1/2 mile track, 35% banked turns and very narrow.