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Official: Iraq Civilian Deaths Unjustified

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
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Nice. Just when things were going so well over there.

Official: Iraq Civilian Deaths Unjustified

May 26, 3:18 PM (ET)

By ROBERT BURNS

WASHINGTON (AP) - Investigators believe that their criminal investigation into the deaths of about two dozen Iraqi civilians points toward a conclusion that Marines committed unprovoked murders, a senior defense official said Friday.

The Marine Corps initially reported 15 deaths and said they were caused by a roadside bomb and an ensuing firefight with insurgents. A separate investigation is seeking to determine if Marines lied to cover up the killings.

The official, who discussed the matter on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the yet-to-be-completed investigation, said the evidence developed by investigators strongly indicates the killings last November in the insurgent-plagued city of Haditha in the western province of Anbar were unjustified.

The official did not disclose specific evidence. The incident, if confirmed, could be the most serious case of criminal misconduct by U.S. troops during three years of combat in Iraq.

In an indication of how seriously the Marines consider it, their top officer, Gen. Michael W. Hagee, flew to Iraq on Thursday to reinforce the need to adhere to Marine values and standards of behavior and to avoid the use of excess force.

A spokesman at Marine Corps headquarters in the Pentagon, Lt. Col. Scott Fazekas, declined to comment on the status of the investigation. He said no information would be provided until the probe was completed.

According to a congressional aide, lawmakers were told in a briefing Thursday that it appears as many as two dozen civilians were killed in the episode at Haditha. And they were told that the investigation will find that "it will be clear that this was not the result of an accident or a normal combat situation."

Another congressional official said lawmakers were told it would be about 30 days before a report would be issued by the investigating agency, the Naval Criminal Investigative Service.

Both the House and Senate armed services committees plan to hold hearings on the matter.

Hagee met with top lawmakers from those panels this week to bring them up to date on the investigation.

"I can say that there are established facts that incidents of a very serious nature did take place," Sen. John Warner, chairman of the Senate panel, said Thursday. He would not provide details or confirm reports that about 24 civilians were killed. He told reporters he had "no basis to believe" the military engaged in a cover-up.

In the Haditha case, videotape aired by an Arab television station showed images purportedly taken in the aftermath of the encounter: a bloody bedroom floor, bullet holes in walls and bodies of women and children. An Iraqi human rights group called for an investigation of what it described as another deadly mistake that had harmed civilians.

On May 17, Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., a decorated former Marine, said Marine Corps officials told him the toll in the Haditha attack was far worse than originally reported and that U.S. troops killed innocent women and children "in cold blood." He said that nearly twice as many people were killed than first reported, maintaining that U.S. forces are "overstretched and overstressed" by the war in Iraq.

Pentagon spokesman Eric Ruff said Friday he believes the investigation is winding down, but he would not comment on what the evidence shows.

Ruff would not characterize the extent of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's concern about the matter, but said he is being kept apprised of the investigations.

Ruff said he did not expect any announcements in the next few days.
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
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Be interesting to see if the marines involved end up doing any serious time. How much jail time did Lt. Calley end up with after the My Lai massacre?
 

MMike

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Sep 5, 2001
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Execution style...words you always love to hear...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003022328_marines27.html

The Marines involved in the shooting initially reported that they had become embroiled in a firefight with insurgents after the explosion. However, evidence that emerged later contradicted that version.

"There wasn't a gunfight, there were no pockmarked walls," said a congressional aide.

"The wounds indicated execution-style" shootings, said a Defense Department official who had been briefed on the contents of the photos.
 

ChrisRobin

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Jan 30, 2002
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It's like that for every army, in every war... except the US is good at covering it up or downplaying it.

MMike, remember in '93 when Canada was in Somalia? A soldier from the Airborne Regiment beat and killed a prisoner. That cause a **** storm here to the point where the regiment was disbanded after decades of honourable service (it wasn't the only reason mind you...the government wanted to cut the defense budget).

Just a couple bad guys amonst many.
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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I can't wait until the official progress report in September when we find out that Iraq is all rainbows and cotton candy.
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
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I can't wait until the official progress report in September when we find out that Iraq is all rainbows and cotton candy.
Well played, sir.

The cover of the Oregonian yesterday said "Iraq fails to meet any benchmarks". It was an interesting article saying that none of the benchmarks have been met.

Now that's REAL progress right there.
 

Westy

the teste
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Wait a minute there. What benchmarks? Our government didn't actually set benchmarks past getting polaroids of Saddam in his BVDs?
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
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so you admit the iraqi government is responsive.

just getting that on the record...carry on...
If shrugging ones shoulders is deemed an adequate response, then yes.

I am interested in how the September report will be spun. Not to be a negative Nancy, but I have little faith that the situation will greatly improve between now and then.