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N8 v2.0

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The Cleft of Venus
Canadian Liberals face loss after 12 years in power
Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:49 PM ET
By Randall Palmer


WINNIPEG, Manitoba (Reuters) - Canadian political leaders on Sunday made one last cross-country dash on the eve of an election expected to oust the ruling Liberals, move Canada to the right and improve ties with the United States.

With polls showing a steady lead of 7 to 12 percentage points, the Conservatives sounded increasingly confident, though it looked like they would fall short of a majority in Parliament and have to depend on other parties.

"After 13 years and four failed mandates, the era of Liberal arrogance is ending," local candidate Michael Smith told a Winnipeg rally as he introduced Conservative leader Stephen Harper, who made stops in Ontario, Manitoba and British Columbia on Sunday.

It is the second election in just 18 months and the third since late 2000. The Liberals -- who took power in late 1993 -- campaigned on their fiscal record, reminding people the economy was booming and trying to portray Harper as an extremist who wanted to scrap gay marriage and abortion.

But Prime Minister Paul Martin, who spent Sunday in British Columbia before flying to his home province of Quebec, seems likely to fall victim to voter fatigue with the Liberals and a major kickback scandal that hit his government shortly after he took power in December 2003.

"Only a new government can turn the page on the past 13 years of scandal and inaction and get on with addressing the real concerns of ordinary working people," Harper said. "We have an opportunity with a new government, and only a new government, to bring together East and West, English and French, city and country, new and old Canadians."

Some polls suggest the Liberals will get their lowest percentage of votes in any election since independence in 1867, even lower than the 28 percent they collected in 1984.

If Harper wins, it will be his reward for uniting Canada's two fractious right-wing parties at the end of 2003 and creating the Conservative Party.

Harper would be the first prime minister to have spent most of his life in the conservative Western province of Alberta. He promises to lower taxes, clamp down on crime, clean up government, cut health waiting times and return some power from the federal government to Canada's 10 provinces.

EASE TENSIONS WITH WASHINGTON

He also wants to ease tensions with Washington. Martin has consistently attacked the United States over a softwood lumber trade dispute and often says Canada must shun what he calls "American-style" health care.

Martin insists the Liberals can still win, saying more Canadians are waking up to what he says is an agenda Harper inherited from extremist U.S. conservative movements.

"The vast majority of Canadians do not agree with the right-wing view of Stephen Harper," he told reporters in the Ontario town of Brampton on Saturday.

Although Harper promises he has no plans to clamp down on abortion, he says he will ask Parliament if it wants to scrap a law allowing gay marriage.

Martin was brought down in November over a public inquiry which found that Liberals in the French-speaking province of Quebec took kickbacks in exchange for government contracts.

The probe shredded Liberal support in Quebec and boosted the fortunes of the separatist Bloc Quebecois, which wants independence for the province. When the campaign started, the Bloc said it would win more than 50 percent of the vote in Quebec and thereby show the province wanted independence.

But Harper's steady rise in the polls has spilled over into Quebec and could head off another national-unity crisis by eating into Bloc support. A referendum on Quebec independence in 1995 failed by the narrowest of margins.

Because the Conservatives have no natural allies in Parliament, they will have to govern issue by issue if they win. Minority governments in Canada rarely last more than 18 months though in this case some analysts think the Bloc will not want to trigger a quick new election as anger over the Liberal scandal will have subsided.
 

Andyman_1970

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Apr 4, 2003
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The Natural State
All I know about Canada is that with the load of tar/oil sands they have we (the US) better be kissing some booty if Iran decided to play the oil card..........that is if we don't want our economy to go in the crapper and pay like 4+ dollars a gallon for gas........
 

PonySoldier

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Andyman_1970 said:
All I know about Canada is that with the load of tar/oil sands they have we (the US) better be kissing some booty if Iran decided to play the oil card..........that is if we don't want our economy to go in the crapper and pay like 4+ dollars a gallon for gas........

I would think it would be the world economy that would suffer as a whole if the Iranians wish to do this....
 

PonySoldier

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May 5, 2004
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Andyman_1970 said:
I'm not sure they care what the rest of the world thinks........well maybe China.

That would be the primary reason the Chinese are advocating a diplomatic solution to the Nuke crisis..and the Chinese are currently working on investing in Saudi Oil as well, they need oil to run their economy as badly as we do...I don't think the Iranians care about anything but tweaking everyone else's nose and working on obliberating the Zionist State...
 

Reactor

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Apr 5, 2005
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Andyman_1970 said:
All I know about Canada is that with the load of tar/oil sands they have we (the US) better be kissing some booty if Iran decided to play the oil card..........that is if we don't want our economy to go in the crapper and pay like 4+ dollars a gallon for gas........

Something like one trillion barrels, four times more than Saudi Arabia. How much time left on the invasion clock?
 

Old Man G Funk

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Reactor said:
Something like one trillion barrels, four times more than Saudi Arabia. How much time left on the invasion clock?
Let's not forget that Iran would also be the best site for the pipeline that we have been trying to complete in Afghanistan/Pakistan for years now in order to get oil from the Caspian Sea. If we could cut through Iran, we could shave off many, many miles.
 

N8 v2.0

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Oct 18, 2002
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The Cleft of Venus
US filmmaker Michael Moore weighs in on Canada's election

Controversial American documentary filmmaker Michael Moore bemoaned an apparent right turn by liberal northern neighbor Canada in its upcoming general election.

"Oh, Canada -- you're not really going to elect a Conservative majority on Monday, are you? That's a joke, right? I know you have a great sense of humor, ... but this is no longer funny," Moore complained in a commentary on his website.

"First, you have the courage to stand against the war in Iraq -- and then you elect a prime minister who's for it. You declare gay people have equal rights -- and then you elect a man who says they don't," Moore moaned.

Conservatives led by Stephen Harper were ahead of Prime Minister Paul Martin's Liberals by a comfortable 10 to 12 points, polls showed Saturday, two days before Canadians go to the polls.

In "Bowling for Columbine," his documentary on gun violence in the United States, Moore heads north to Canada to flee the rise of conservatism on US soil.

"A man running the nation to the south of you is hoping you can lend him a hand by picking Stephen Harper, because he's a man who shares his world view. Do you want to help George Bush by turning Canada into his latest conquest?" Moore asked.

"Far be it from me, as an American, to suggest what you should do," he added. "I hope you don't feel this appeal of mine is too intrusive, but I just couldn't sit by, as your friend, and say nothing."
 

ChrisRobin

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Jan 30, 2002
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N8 said:
Canadian Liberals face loss after 12 years in power
Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:49 PM ET
By Randall Palmer

"After 13 years and four failed mandates, the era of Liberal arrogance is ending," local candidate Michael Smith told a Winnipeg rally as he introduced Conservative leader Stephen Harper, who made stops in Ontario, Manitoba and British Columbia on Sunday.
Man I love politics...

So this clown Michael Smith totally forgot that when the Liberals were in office (more specifically when Paul Martin was finance minister), Canada's finances were the best in recent history.

I watched Haper's somewhat-victory speach. Of course he makes everything sound pretty...we'll see.
 

Transcend

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Apr 18, 2002
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It will be the most inneffective CND government in history. Nothing will get passed without massive log rolling. Prepare for exactly NOTHING to happen. Then in 12 months, a new election.

As soon as harper brings up the issue of gay rights or abortion, there will be a vote of non confidence and parliament will be dissolved.
 

ChrisRobin

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Jan 30, 2002
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Well, I hope he doesn't mention Iraq then. Remember when Bush decided to go to Iraq and asked Canada for help? Cretien said no f-ing way, while the official opposition (Harper), said we should be helping our allies out by going.

I think it's going to be so moderate we're not going to be able to tell the difference from the last 18 months.
 

Transcend

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Apr 18, 2002
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ChrisRobin said:
Well, I hope he doesn't mention Iraq then. Remember when Bush decided to go to Iraq and asked Canada for help? Cretien said no f-ing way, while the official opposition (Harper), said we should be helping our allies out by going.

I think it's going to be so moderate we're not going to be able to tell the difference from the last 18 months.
Only they can't do it on their own, and neither the Bloc, the NDP nor the liberals will go along with it. Yeah for useless minority Govt's.
 

Ridemonkey

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Ugh...so frustrating. I agree with Transcend, sit back, relax and watch nothing useful happen for a year. This is punishment for the Liberals and their scandal. No one actually supports Harper and his beliefs, and he has the personality of a rock, they just can't vote for Martin because of the scandal...despite him bringing on Canada's strongest economy in ages. Our dollar has gone straight up for the last 5 years, we've made leaps and bounds for gay rights, and we've gained some independence from the States (no offense guys).

A vote for Harper is a vote for gridlock. :rolleyes: lammmme